Beghairat pakistani ISI, army and govt released the murderer of two innocents

[emkhan]

The saddest day of your life is when you are betrayed by your own people.
we are being betrayed by our own people.
I feel disgusting

[IamDZJ]

the shariya and murdered one's family members forgave them so who are you to judge?? BEGHAIRATS ARE PEOPLE WHO SOLD THEIR FAMILY MEMBER'S BLOOD TO RAYMON DAVIS IN THE FIRST PLACE. forgiving is one thing and being sell out something else.

[roadrunner]

don't kid yourself roadrunner, there is still a law for the rich and famous and a law for the poor, in secular societies.

He would not have been released if it hadn't been for the parallel Sharia Law system in Pakistan.

He committed a crime that received nationwide attention, in part brought about by his wife. Because it had such wide coverage, Pakistan had to show justice was being done. What happened next was unjust.

There is no way he would have been released without serving time under secular law. But no, Sharia Law allowed a murderer to get off free as a bird.

There you have it. You carry on justifying it. I would not. I believe in justice.

[IamDZJ]

Actually punjabis dont consider us as respectable human beings.you just summerized yourself right here.A punjabi will never call a pukhtun with his own name but khan sahb. I have tolerate this for long time but a few days ago in my college a punjabi called me "khan sahb how are you" and i said i am good pujabi sahb and believe me he got angry over that. i did it intentionally and then i asked him that why are you getting angry over me? why dont you call us with our own names... since that day he never called me "khan sahb"
i have been with for 4 years, i know their mentality, their attitude towards us and what they think about us.
a pukhtun never fits with punjabi. This is a universal fact.
all the deals being done are by the punjabi establishment. they kill us, sell us, use us and take money and honour from america.
i dont know what the pukhtuns on the other side of the border think about farsiban?

your attitude and mentality both stink. how ironic that you miss that and jump to judge another. punjabies call each other "saahi/saaye" which is equivalent to "khan saib/saheb (sir)" amongst pashtuns. it's a sign of respect which you obviously don't deserve.

[faye]

roadkill,

He would not have been released if it hadn't been for the parallel Sharia Law system in Pakistan.

He committed a crime that received nationwide attention, in part brought about by his wife. Because it had such wide coverage, Pakistan had to show justice was being done. What happened next was unjust.

There is no way he would have been released without serving time under secular law. But no, Sharia Law allowed a murderer to get off free as a bird.

There you have it. You carry on justifying it. I would not. I believe in justice.

don't take my comment out of context and infer that i said something that i did not.

[emkhan]

you dumb he also told me that it was a sign of respect. but it is not a sign of respect everyone should be called with his name. why he got angry when i did not called him with his name????? because he wanted to be called with his name. Punjabis make fun of us, they make jokes on us, make jokes sms on us. i know them very well because i have been with them for four years.
they consider theirselves to be superior than others.
but i wonder why are you dying for them ????
i am afraid you are one of them

[IamDZJ]

you dumb he also told me that it was a sign of respect. but it is not a sign of respect everyone should be called with his name. do you refer to your parent's by their names? if no then there is no point for me to argue with you about anything you have to say after this because you are a shallow minded paranoid little hypocrite. why he got angry when i did not called him with his name?????because you called him a punjabi. and since you thought he was insulting you i am sure you intended on offending him by doing that. because he wanted to be called with his name. Punjabis make fun of us, they make jokes on us, make jokes sms on us. i know them very well because i have been with them for four years. it happens everywhere. i have heard afghans tell jokes about persians and jews and these jokes are often the same jokes.
they consider theirselves to be superior than others. soooo????! it's human nature.. everyone thinks they are better than the other. why are you being so insecure about it??
but i wonder why are you dying for them ???? i am allergic to idiots.
i am afraid you are one of them I am not YOU or THEM. I am ME.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

He would not have been released if it hadn't been for the parallel Sharia Law system in Pakistan.

He committed a crime that received nationwide attention, in part brought about by his wife. Because it had such wide coverage, Pakistan had to show justice was being done. What happened next was unjust.

There is no way he would have been released without serving time under secular law. But no, Sharia Law allowed a murderer to get off free as a bird.

There you have it. You carry on justifying it. I would not. I believe in justice.

And pray thee, tell me, what form of Shariah law was there that got OJ Simpson off the hook? For that matter, what form of Shariah law was there that got Scooter Libby off the hook for treason? For that matter, what form of Shariah law was there that resulted in the wrongful death of Cameron Todd Willingham and the continued morally destitute reign of Governor Rick Perry who allowed Willingham's life to be taken to persist?

http://www.innocenceproject.org/Cont...d_in_Texas.php


Furthermore, all Islamic law is based on the premise that there is earthly justice and if that earthly justice is neglected than man ought to be wary of the justice God has in store for that wrong he has done.

You cannot have it both ways where you vent steam about the rajm (the punishment for adultery) and claim it is causing the murder of hundreds of innocent women when it too has an out clause that is underutilized and then vent steam about the qisaas providing an out clause for the accused that is overutilized. In the former the accused (male or female) is allowed to take oaths, in the face of even the four witnesses, that he/she is innocent. In the latter, the rules and regulations of qisaas were not dutifully executed in the Raymond Davis case.

One of the most famous hadith shows the principles underlying Islamic justice actually do leave the deed between man and God, the caveat to this is that if man decides to subvert God and thinks he can run off scott free he ought to consider the other worldly ramifications. So the hadith had the gentleman come to the Prophet, who preferred that the man actually seek forgiveness in prayer. The was persistent that he wanted the shariah justice. He was given it and then as a bad word was said about the man, the Prophet told the sahabaa to back off and understand that the man's slate was clean with God and that the punishment of zinaa without forgiveness was far worse in the after life. However, the man had the option of neither asking forgiveness nor bringing himself to justice. Had he been bought to justice, he would have had the option to swear oaths that he was not guilty and then it would have been left between him and his Lord.

Nonetheless, you are not being objective at all when you do not consider the aforementioned failures of the American justice system that are accepted by voters from Texas to New York. Mr. Willingham's innocence was proclaimed up to is death to Governor Perry's blind and deceitful ears.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

All this means is that the ISI and CIA came to some sort of an agreement over their differences other wise they would have postponed the court circus another 2 weeks or so. It is evident that the family was coerced or forced to accept the deal but the real decisions were made at the spy agencies.
What the CIA wants from Pakistan is to completely dismantle all terrorist organizations and invade north waziristan. what the ISI wants from America is a nuclear technology trade deal similar to what India got(security guarantees).

Khaana I doubt US would ever share their technology nor give them similar deals along the lines of India. They can't be compared, one is edging to be a regional power with a functioning government and economy (yes India has its problems) and the other well is you know a regional problem.

[emkhan]

you dumb he also told me that it was a sign of respect. but it is not a sign of respect everyone should be called with his name. do you refer to your parent's by their names? if no then there is no point for me to argue with you about anything you have to say after this because you are a shallow minded paranoid little hypocrite. why he got angry when i did not called him with his name?????because you called him a punjabi. and since you thought he was insulting you i am sure you intended on offending him by doing that. because he wanted to be called with his name. Punjabis make fun of us, they make jokes on us, make jokes sms on us. i know them very well because i have been with them for four years. it happens everywhere. i have heard afghans tell jokes about persians and jews and these jokes are often the same jokes.
they consider theirselves to be superior than others. soooo????! it's human nature.. everyone thinks they are better than the other. why are you being so insecure about it??
but i wonder why are you dying for them ???? i am allergic to idiots.
i am afraid you are one of them I am not YOU or THEM. I am ME.

why are you dying for them. what i am telling you is my own personal experience.
when i was child believe me i was against all this ethnicity and taasub etc things but by living with them knowing about them i realized that they have more tasub about us than pukhtuns. believe me they are more ethnic than us.
i was against all those who used to speak against pak army and ISI but after the the musharraf regime i realised that these are the real culprits and realised that they are paid slaves and the whole nation has become a slaves just because of these few *******s.
may be my english is weak and may be i am not converting my message in a more nice way than the other member who are doing Phds or they have done it. i appologize for all my mistakes.

[IamDZJ]

why are you dying for them. i am not dying for anyone. you are being silly and i am pointing it out. what i am telling you is my own personal experience. you are my personal experience. what do i do? start hating all pashtuns overnight because of you???
when i was child believe me i was against all this ethnicity and taasub people grow up and learn better things. you did the opposite. etc things but by living with them knowing about them i realized that they have more tasub about us than pukhtuns. believe me they are more ethnic than us. that is not the point. stupidity is not a race trophy that needs to be won. you don't get to use other people's mistakes to justify yours.
i was against all those who used to speak against pak army and ISI but after the the musharraf regime i realised that these are the real culprits and realised that they are paid slaves and the whole nation has become a slaves just because of these few *******s. whatever
may be my english is weak and may be i am not converting my message in a more nice way than the other member who are doing Phds or they have done it. i don't have a phd in anything. speak pashtu dari or urdu with me i will understand. i appologize for all my mistakes. there is no point in apologizing when you don't know what sorry means.

[emkhan]

by taking so much interest in this it seems you have some relation to them . ...
you dont want to listen anything against them.
pukhtuns have been killed and are being just because of them ... they have captured on our resources. they use us in hard times but when it comes some pressure from other side they throw us and shoot us.
if you are in favor of all these points. then i dont have to talk to you because you are anti pakhtun. your words have no value here

[IamDZJ]

by taking so much interest in this it seems you have some relation to them . ... i do. it's called a human to human relationship. in pashtu they call it insaniyat.
you dont want to listen anything against them.
pukhtuns have been killed and are being just because of them ...if they are so bad then pashtuns should stop being like them. they have captured on our resources. boohoo..they use us in hard times but when it comes some pressure from other side they throw us and shoot us. try hard not to get used next time.
if you are in favor of all these points. these are not points. these are stupid assumtions and they come from the same p....lahawli walah.. then i dont have to talk to you because you are anti pakhtun. i m not dying to talk to someone as smart as you either your words have no value here O THE IRONY..

BYE

[emkhan]

oooh im glad to know you are worried about humanity... hehehehe

[roadrunner]

And pray thee, tell me, what form of Shariah law was there that got OJ Simpson off the hook? For that matter, what form of Shariah law was there that got Scooter Libby off the hook for treason? For that matter, what form of Shariah law was there that resulted in the wrongful death of Cameron Todd Willingham and the continued morally destitute reign of Governor Rick Perry who allowed Willingham's life to be taken to persist?

http://www.innocenceproject.org/Cont...d_in_Texas.php

AFAIK, it was not possible to PROVE oj was guilty. There is the presupposition in secular law (and Islamic law) that people are innocent until proved to be guilty.

In this case it was PROVED he was guilty. But Sharia law in this case FAILED, no justice was provided. It provided the loophole that Secular law would not have. Do you not see such an obvious difference between these cases?