Durrani Tribal Leadership Structure

[BarakzaiAbdali]

I would love to hear the thoughts of the Popalzaay (Fofalzaay) members here.

While on travels a few years ago, I was talking to Dr. Ayyobi, father in law of the trashy, undeserving, and moronic head of Afghan intelligence, Yama Karzai:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/06/wo...l?pagewanted=2

Now Dr. Ayyobi, a Popalzai who served as a dignitary to Iran in Zahir Shah's time is not himself a bad person and was compiling a history of the kabaa'eel that comprise the Abdali/Durrani confederation when I encountered him.

His family, like Mr. Karzai's family are not Sadozai (they are Shamozaay) so they do not occupy the khan khel position within the confederation (this is not to say that the khan khel means all that much after warlordism and might makes right took to the forefront after the Afghan-Russian conflict).

I asked him whether there was a viable Sadozaay alternative as the last sadozaay king's offspring (descended from Ahmad Shah Baba) would have been the prime candidates had such a spot existed.

He agreed that the statements made on CNN and other newsources that Karzai was the de facto Popalzaay Malik/Khan was idiotic. Rather, he said that Mr. Karzai's father was one in a series of maliks and really represented his village and clan more than the whole of the Popalzaay.

Interestingly enough he referred to the Sadozaay leadership in Quetta as the most probable representative of the Sadozaay clan where it to be considered a viable clan today. I did some research and came across the Khan of the Quetta branch of the Sadozaay and wanted to confirm this with any Sadozaayaan or Quetta-wal:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahzad..._Khan_Saddozai

The reference given from the article, confirming Rehmatullah's leadership role is from this text:

http://books.google.com.pk/books?id=...adozai&f=false

Does anyone own this text?

Furthermore, the article references the Sadozaay Khan's mentor,

Abdul Ghafoor Khan Bamizai Durrani:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khan_Ab...r_Khan_Durrani

The lineage reference that is given is that this Khan is the descendent of the famous Shah Wali Khan, Ahmad Shah's general.

The interesting thing that we ought to discuss is if the above is confirmed, which it appears to be legitimate, the articles discuss the aforementioned tribal leadership support in Quetta (significantly from the portion of the Abdali confederation found there) for Jinnah.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

PS Mods, reason this is under Politics is that I figure it will engender a discussion about the political leanings of the Quetta Abdalyaan per the leanings of the aforementioned leaders. I know BLS and I have been having an ongoing discussion about what level of support the Pashtun tribes in KP in general have for Pakistan. I figured this added some depth and perspective to that.

As far as I knew growing up, Quetta was almost an extension of Qandahar/Helmand. My time in Chaman was somewhat abbreviated. However, I have generally felt anecdotally that Quetta was much less of a patriotic Pakistani city than the jingoistic vibes I got in Peshawar. Per the relations with the Baloch struggle, the hyper pro military sentiment seemed to be absent.

However, if Dr. Ayobbi is correct that the Sadozai leadership is currently better represented in Quetta, then the preference of its tribal leadership has reprecussions as well.

[gadoonwal]

Duranis adopted the persain language and culture.

[graveyardofempires]

Duranis adopted the persain language and culture.

wrora lets not go there and only focus on negative things
im personally against anyone who think he/she is superior because of their tribe.I understand that Ahmad Shah Baba didnt do much for Pukhto language and his court was in dari but non the less he was there for Pukhtane.

[gadoonwal]

wrora lets not go there and only focus on negative things
im personally against anyone who think he/she is superior because of their tribe.I understand that Ahmad Shah Baba didnt do much for Pukhto language and his court was in dari but non the less he was there for Pukhtane.

i never claim superior.I am very realistic and truthfull.
da tola nary chi zamong pa sarono lobai kawi daa walai?
da zaka chi mong khpali kamzory/elatona patawoo,pa rakhtiao khabaro stargi patawoo.
I have great respect for ahmad shah baba.

[کیش]

Duranis adopted the persain language and culture.

Your right in a sense. My grandma is a Popalzai, From Kandahar. She speaks Dari, as a first language. And, Pashto as a second one

[Admin Khan]

Your right in a sense. My grandma is a Popalzai, From Kandahar. She speaks Dari, as a first language. And, Pashto as a second one

Hi Idiot,
How are you?

Was your Grandma raised in Kandahar or is she just 'from' Kandahar? It's nearly impossible for a Popalzai of Quetta-Kandahar to speak Dari as a first language. The lingua franca from Quetta to Southern Afghanistan is Pashto. Even Baluchis, and various other ethnic groups speak Pashto. In fact, if you can't speak Pashto in that side of the town, you get 'jipped' left and right.

Hamid Karzai is also a Popalzai of Kandahar. He speaks fluent Pashto but since his mom is from Kabul, he speaks Dari as his mother tongue.

[کیش]

Hi Idiot,
How are you?

Was your Grandma raised in Kandahar or is she just 'from' Kandahar? It's nearly impossible for a Popalzai of Quetta-Kandahar to speak Dari as a first language. The lingua franca from Quetta to Southern Afghanistan is Pashto. Even Baluchis, and various other ethnic groups speak Pashto. In fact, if you can't speak Pashto in that side of the town, you get 'jipped' left and right.

Her parents died when she was a kid, so her and her siblings were raised by an uncle in Kabul. That is why, I guess she speaks in Dari. She learned Pashto, as a second language, though.

Her brother was a police chief in Lashkar Gar, Helmand. In the 60"s/70"s, he converses in Dari .