3 Punjaabis vs hundreds of Pukhtoons

[PakistaniPatriot]

Gosh. Even worse. Who are you to tell Afghans they have no future? How does that sound? Who are you going to tell an Afghan, who is suffering after 3 decades of war that he has no future? What happened to your ethics and morals? Is this how you were raised? By insulting a brave nation?

The truth is bitter

I am against people who constantly attack Pakistan, and I am certainly against heartless people like you who fail to understand the logic in their own arguments. I am dumbfounded, I just don't understand how someone can be full of such hate, and how someone could have such malicious intentions.

Oh stop it.

No I am not. I have quoted everything you said for that very reason. This is a little mind-exercise for you. It would be of your best interest to know that I hardly participate in the political talk section, but I don't mind taking you for a little spin.

Are you sure you are taking me for a spin? Or is it the otherway around?

That's not an argument. I will still wait for you to construct a proper argument to support your hypothesis..

Its not an argument or hypothesis, it is a fact.

By getting aid from other nations obviously? Where is your common sense and why don't you understand that in 2011, Pakistan is dependent on US aid. If it was not dependent, it would have told the US they refuse to extradite the US citizen. But no, Pakistanis are not dumb. They know without the USA, they will crumble into little pieces. They know if they stop serving American interests, they will be a mess. This is the truth my friend. I don't mean to attack, nor do I mean to insult you, this is just something you have to know and this is something every common Pakistani agrees with. In 2011, Pakistan is suffering. Prices have sky-rocketed, ring your family and ask them how it is to live in Pakistan in these days.

how will it crumble? it didn't crumble before u.s. aid; why should it crumble now?

Of course you will. You have no other choice. Who else will pay you billions to follow commands? That my friend is not sovereignty.

I hope you understand.

I don't. Especially the way afghanistan is.

[Admin Khan]

The truth is bitter

This shows you are heartless and inhumane.

Oh stop it.

Why am I not surprised?

Are you sure you are taking me for a spin? Or is it the otherway around?

Since you have failed miserably in providing a rebuttal, I still think what I said is true. Unless you can somehow debate in a civil manner without resorting to stupidity.

Its not an argument or hypothesis, it is a fact.

Here we go again. Prove it. Provide me evidence that in 2011, your military can support itself. I gave you an argument, and all you responded with was nonsense. Show me how much your military costs per year, and show me how Pakistan can support it without foreign aid. You have yet to support your argument. In fact, all I am getting is a bunch of elementary statements with logically fallacies written all over them. Ring your family back home, and ask them how much things have changed, how prices hey sky-rocketed and how institutions are failing!

how will it crumble? it didn't crumble before u.s. aid; why should it crumble now?

Late pass. Pakistan now has a lot more equipment. A lot more weapons and a lot more aircraft's! Have you ever heard of maintenance? modernization? How do you expect your government to consistently support it's military without American support? Hell, like I said before, If America decides to be naughty, your Airforce can be deemed useless and worthless cause when things go down the drain, you will have no spare parts! You clearly don't have a robust economy like other Asian nations.

I don't. Especially the way afghanistan is.

Not surprising at all. I'll give you another attempt.

[Azmal]

Gosh. Even worse. Who are you to tell Afghans they have no future? How does that sound? Who are you going to tell an Afghan, who is suffering after 3 decades of war that he has no future? What happened to your ethics and morals? Is this how you were raised? By insulting a brave nation? I am against people who constantly attack Pakistan, and I am certainly against heartless people like you who fail to understand the logic in their own arguments. I am dumbfounded, I just don't understand how someone can be full of such hate, and how someone could have such malicious intentions.


No I am not. I have quoted everything you said for that very reason. This is a little mind-exercise for you. It would be of your best interest to know that I hardly participate in the political talk section, but I don't mind taking you for a little spin.


That's not an argument. I will still wait for you to construct a proper argument to support your hypothesis.
By getting aid from other nations obviously? Where is your common sense and why don't you understand that in 2011, Pakistan is dependent on US aid. If it was not dependent, it would have told the US they refuse to extradite the US citizen. But no, Pakistanis are not dumb. They know without the USA, they will crumble into little pieces. They know if they stop serving American interests, they will be a mess. This is the truth my friend. I don't mean to attack, nor do I mean to insult you, this is just something you have to know and this is something every common Pakistani agrees with. In 2011, Pakistan is suffering. Prices have sky-rocketed, ring your family and ask them how it is to live in Pakistan in these days.
Of course you will. You have no other choice. Who else will pay you billions to follow commands? That my friend is not Sovereignty.

I hope you understand.

Soverignty? lol

http://www.e-articles.me/politics/Wa...reation_33236/



". Recently unsealed British top secret documents however point to how Mohammed Ali Jinnah (leader of the Muslim League) articulated his demand for partition in 1940 only after getting the approval of Lord Zetland, then secretary of state for India. In his commentary:Creation of Pakistan - Safeguarding British Strategic Interests, Narendra Singh Sarela (former Indian Ambassador to France) wrote how earlier in 1939, Jinnah had pledged the loyalty of Indian Muslim troops (who comprised over 40% of the British Army in India) and the British expected that this loyal fighting force would come in handy in controlling the oil-wealth of the Middle East, and provide the Western powers with a "reliable ally" that could serve as a foil to the former Soviet Union. But this volume is largely silent on how India's colonial rulers sought to manipulate the situation to precipitate partition. "

Pakistan, islamic state, identity, economy, politics, military, dictatorship, democracy, foreign affairs, India, Muslim League, leadership, Jinnah, British colonial policy, Bangladesh, China

[Admin Khan]

And again, I have nothing against Pakistan or Afghanistan. My problem is with people who treat humans like animals. Like I said before, if Pakistan can get it's act together, I have no problem. 30million of my people[Afghans/Pashtuns] live in Pakistan, and I do not want them to suffer nor do I want them to be oppressed by evil rulers who are getting rich by massacring us. I obviously want my people to live a successful life in Pakistan. I want my people to be educated, and I certainly don't want them to be brainwashed or to be forced to forget their culture.

[randolph85]

pakistan is a poor mans israel, and israel is a poor mans excuse for a respectable state. that pretty much sums up pakistan.

being the ******* child of the british will do that to ya.

[Azmal]

I find these remarks nothing short of treason… the real reason for Pakistan nationhood was for its attraction as a pawn in international politics, hence its synthetic pretence to nationhood. Upon “independence”, its national army comprised of dutiful soldiers from the British Raj and English colonels who made sure their investment delivers…for past 60s years Pakistan continue fallowing the same bloody British Raj forward policy—collective punishment, FATA, using religion as weapon to keep people backward and in check. Continue survive of Pakistan will keep us Pashtun further paralyze and more miserable…..in order to get it out from today’s crises…. We have to destroy the despicable Punjabi state….we have no choice…. good news is that…Pakistan no longer serves the purpose it was built for by the outgoing British colonialists. It is now a complete liability that screams to be neutered either with or without Punjabi Military’s connivance. This troublesome nation is no longer a problem for just Afghanistan and India….it is a problem for the entire civilized world….this is a god given opportunity for us Pashtoon…to either create our own state—Pashtoonistan or loy Afghanistan.

[Shehbaz Khan]

Pakhairoona Khalqo, Bakhana ghwaram I just read the first post on this topic not all the posts by the respected members.

Well to sum it up here is my point of view,

There are hundreds of people who have died in bomb blasts, shoot outs and other incidents in the same city of Lahore including military persons and innocent civilians. Dont tell me you are not aware of it. But this is entirely different case.

Here it is brutal killing, by a single person, in front of public. This kind of incident has not yet happened in Peshawar( may God forbid it).

This incident has lots of significance as the guy 'apparently' has not linked with any regular force that is 'supposed' to carry out any operaton. This incident may point out that there are other secret forces active behind the apparent military activity in Pak and Afghanistan.

So stop trying confusing yourself along with many others wroriya.

[KhyberKhan]

U have a point but v punjabis regard Paktuns as the guardians of Pakistan - Pakhtuns are the core of Pakistan and 30% of Pakistan army is Pakhtun.

figure is inaccurate and a staunch lie. Search for old thread. It has been discussed.

[PakistaniPatriot]

figure is inaccurate and a staunch lie. Search for old thread. It has been discussed.

that figure is accurate, even more. frontier force is all pashtuns.

[graveyardofempires]

Pakhairoona Khalqo, Bakhana ghwaram I just read the first post on this topic not all the posts by the respected members.

Well to sum it up here is my point of view,

There are hundreds of people who have died in bomb blasts, shoot outs and other incidents in the same city of Lahore including military persons and innocent civilians. Dont tell me you are not aware of it. But this is entirely different case.

Here it is brutal killing, by a single person, in front of public. This kind of incident has not yet happened in Peshawar( may God forbid it).

This incident has lots of significance as the guy 'apparently' has not linked with any regular force that is 'supposed' to carry out any operaton. This incident may point out that there are other secret forces active behind the apparent military activity in Pak and Afghanistan.

So stop trying confusing yourself along with many others wroriya.

Apologist for war criminal intruders

[Shehbaz Khan]

Apologist for war criminal intruders

No, that was a simple difference between the two entirely different things you are quoting .. !!

[randolph85]

that figure is accurate, even more. frontier force is all pashtuns.

these propaganda videos are hilarious. pride in an institution that cant keep any peace within its borders.

[Mina]

I'm actually quiet confused about this thread?? 'Re u guys making the fuss about the fact one Punjabi's life is worth so much for their race? Or 're u making a fuss about the fact all Pashtuns can do is feel sorry for thousands of Pashtun lives lost? 'Re u making a fuss about how united Punjabis 're? Or 're u making a fuss about how divided the Pashtuns 're? 'Re u blaming Punjabis for fighting for their lives? Or 're u blaming Pashtuns for taken their own lives for the sake of those very same Punjabis?

[Espresso]

afghanistan never hand anything. it only had NOTHING. are you kidding me, beauty of just nature and pristine stone age conditions. afghanistan is the poorest nation in the world. this has been for hundred of years.

look at Pakistan in 63 years we built ourselfs up from nothing but dirt, we still need more work but look where we are. afghanistan had ample time, but the ground situation speaks for itself. afghanistan will never prosper, it will always remain how it is or worse.

had nothing really man for heaven's sake how ignorant can you be afghanistan was a respectable & normal country in the comity of nations things only went down side from the 70's onward you should know about that better then any body after all "strategic depth" is very dear vision to you guys hey just ask that kiyani fella of yours & also tell that guy that he can be rest assured that india-bangladesh & iran will never ever let it happen !

[Espresso]

afghanistan never hand anything. it only had NOTHING. are you kidding me, beauty of just nature and pristine stone age conditions. afghanistan is the poorest nation in the world. this has been for hundred of years.

look at Pakistan in 63 years we built ourselfs up from nothing but dirt, we still need more work but look where we are. afghanistan had ample time, but the ground situation speaks for itself. afghanistan will never prosper, it will always remain how it is or worse.

so exactly where you are i will give you just a few example,
India, malaysia,egypt,iran,turkey,the united arab emirates,south korea, even bangladesh which is 23 years younger then pakistan ,bangladesh have a much more stronger economy & stability,democracy,human rights records,literacy rate,industrializations, a much stronger currency & respect in the comity of nations it's federal state reserves are touching the sky its products in textile have flooded the entire west from wall mart to zellers to sears you name it, it has captured it has the wall mart alone has one of the largest shares of its garments products made in bangladesh from undergarments to jackets,jean,tracks suits,shirts,socks,suites,women cloths men's cloths kids cloths etc..etc they will tell you it has more in every field the bangladeshis are catching up like the indians who are one of the top positions holders in the west next to the chinese & koreans when compared to a 63 years old nuclear pakistan who is in the verge of declaring economical bankruptcy with nearly 60 billion dollars' in depts.