3 Punjaabis vs hundreds of Pukhtoons

[Admin Khan]

you are talking about artifical, have you seen your intelligence? lol. YOU do not have a future. To tell you the truth, i didnt want to say this before, to be nice but afghanistan is under Pakistan's mercy. that is why karzai had a sudden change of tone and is more friendly to Pakistan now. He knows when U.S. leaves and if he does not side with Pakistan the ISI will be coming with the gauntlet

Again, nothing but your silly and absurd assumption. Karzai, the puppet that he is, does not even recognize a border between Af-Pak. In fact, his government might dissolve the minute Americans leave. The fact is quite simple, Pashtuns view your government, and the Afghan govt as illegitimate for the most part. The aforementioned is what many Journalists have said after actually speaking to the local people.

[Shayesta]

@Patriot
Oh my I am surprised you can spell the word 'intelligence'! If we have survived civil-war, Russian war, and now NATO war, we can survive any circumstance whatsoever. Unlike you, we won't lose a bit of land with each war we face. And Afghanistan is under Pakistan's mercy!? Hahahahaha! I guess that's the reason Pakistan is more scared of Afghanistan than Afghanistan could ever be of anyone! Remember, till today's date Islamabad is dying to make Kabul Pak-friendly, not the other way round. Your capital and your 'friendship' can rot in hell for anyone's part. And forget Karzai, handle your own 'chamchagan' who die for friendship with Indians, and also wonder why that is?

[Admin Khan]

@Patriot
Oh my I am surprised you can spell the word 'intelligence'! If we have survived civil-war, Russian war, and now NATO war, we can survive any circumstance whatsoever. Unlike you, we won't lose a bit of land with each war we face. And Afghanistan is under Pakistan's mercy!? Hahahahaha! I guess that's the reason Pakistan is more scared of Afghanistan than Afghanistan could ever be of anyone! Remember, till today's date Islamabad is dying to Kabul Pak-friendly, what happened? Nothing, your capital can rot in hell for anyone's part. And forget Karzai, handle your own 'chamchagan' who die for friendship with Indians, and also wonder why that is?

I think at times he forgets that Pakistans nightmare is Indians and Afghans being friends. As frivolous as he might sound, he knows the consequences of such an alliance.

[PakistaniPatriot]

Don't be silly now. Our history is something even common Pakistanis take pride in. Everytime I've seen a Pakistani argue with an Indian, he decides bragging about someone by the name of Ahmad Shah Baba Abdali, have you heard of him?

why so much pride in history? its it as it reads HISTORY. what about now? the future? living in the past and not learning from your mistakes but only cherishing the few moments of glory will lead you to nowhere fast.

Again, I'll be honest with you, I simply don't understand how you think.

ditto

Lol. That certainly made me smile. Dear brother, your Army is not self-sufficient.

Army is self-sufficient

If you don't obey what the US says, your military won't get aid. Hell, Aid? If the US stops supplying you spare parts for your Air force, boy will you have a crippled airforce.

so tell me how did pakistan air force survive the for 15 years while under sactions via pressler amendment?

The point here is, you don't stack up anywhere near the top military forces. You have no robust economy. Most of your people suffer just as much as Afghans. In fact, it's common to find a Punjabi or Sindhi looking for work in Afghanistan, the same way an Afghan might be searching for work in Pakistan. You have a long way to go my friend.

the stats beg to differ

[Admin Khan]

why so much pride in history? its it as it reads HISTORY. what about now? the future? living in the past and not learning from your mistakes but only cherishing the few moments of glory will lead you to nowhere fast.

Again, another logical fallacy. No where did I take pride in history, what I was trying to make you realize is your self-contradicting assumption. Here you are telling us[Pashtuns/Afghans]we have no history. Ask your Comparative literature Professor to explain your irony in that statement. I obviously know it won't lead us anywhere fast. That wasn't the point. You are now raising a completely different card, the point is what you said was baseless.

Army is self-sufficient

How is it self-sufficient? Break it down to me, please. I like to learn.

so tell me how did pakistan air force survive the for 15 years while under sactions via pressler amendment?

Resorting to the history argument already? Do you see how you contradict yourself left and right? This is like an Afghan saying we were superpowers so we might just become superpowers again. Everything requires effort, today the Pakistani government is not only failing, but according to many critics, it's at it's worst shape ever. Why is it at it's worst shape ever? I think you know the answer. You being part of a military forum, I am sure you know how much you depend on American aid, and how much you will suffer without it. Like I said before, without American aid, Pakistan will crumble into pieces. In fact, let's be realistic shall we? Nearly all your AF aircrafts hails from the USA. If the USA decides to get naughty, you won't find spare parts! And I am sure you are wise enough to know how much that will hurt you. Right now, your government is Washington friendly, you want to know what that means? That means Americans can walk around in Rawalpindi and shoot at who ever they want and get away with it. That means Americans can build a base in Pakistan, without you even realizing it. That means American contractors can roam freely and there is nothing you could do about, nada. So much for sovereignty, eh?

the stats beg to differ

That stats scream US AID! The only nation enjoying a great status in the world is the USA. They can sadly blow up us Pashtuns and get away with it, oh and that too without a stain on their economy!

Calling Pakistan a "powerful" country is simply a joke. When you have a robust economy, when Pakistani citizens begin paying taxes, things might change. And hey, I will be happy if you guys work it out. I have nothing against ordinary Pakistanis, more power to you guys. What I do have a problem is when a Pakistani begins spewing hate and nonsense against his fellow "Muslim" Afghans.

[PakistaniPatriot]

@Patriot
Oh my I am surprised you can spell the word 'intelligence'!

why? is there thousands of miles of NOTHING around me?

If we have survived civil-war, Russian war, and now NATO war, we can survive any circumstance whatsoever. Unlike you, we won't lose a bit of land with each war we face.

That is entirely Pakistan's credit. NOTHING ON YOUR PART.

And Afghanistan is under Pakistan's mercy!? Hahahahaha! I guess that's the reason Pakistan is more scared of Afghanistan than Afghanistan could ever be of anyone! Remember, till today's date Islamabad is dying to make Kabul Pak-friendly, not the other way round.

we dont want to go back to our old ways that is why new tactics are being underdaken. but if we have to we will. and you can't do anything about it.

Your capital and your 'friendship' can rot in hell for anyone's part. And forget Karzai, handle your own 'chamchagan' who die for friendship with Indians, and also wonder why that is?

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[Shayesta]

why? is there thousands of miles of NOTHING around me?

Not thousands mate, you are getting too close!

That is entirely Pakistan's credit. NOTHING ON YOUR PART.

Did I anywhere mention our victory on Russia? Nopes, I just said we survived the dirty war, which was played between Russia and USA, which Pakistan got paid for and Afghanistan used. So indeed, take the entire credit for your backwardness, barbarism, animalism, and everything else that comes along.

we dont want to go back to our old ways that is why new tactics are being underdaken. but if we have to we will. and you can't do anything about it.

We don't have to do anything about it; Thank Zardari Ji for the (deserving) disaster.

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Oh sorry, I ignored your thinking capacity there for a second!

[Admin Khan]

So what are your thoughts on the apparent killing of 3 Punjaabis by some Angreez sahab in Lahore that has forced the whole of Pakistan turned up side down. While on the other hand hundreds of Pukhtoons die every other day by drones though no such hue or cry.

What are my thoughts? It's sort of an expectation. American blood is very precious compare to an ordinary Pashtuns or Pakistanis. There is no way Pakistan can ignore an order from the USA. I mean, we are talking about the USA here. Even at Pakistani airports the minute they see an American passport, you can see they are nervous from the get. Also, we should also remind ourselves that Pakistan will obviously put up a show. A show where it will show the public "we are doing something about it" but in reality, Pakistani government will talk the talk, but will fail miserably in walking the walk.

Pukhtoon blood, cheap, very cheap.

Sad, but true.

[PakistaniPatriot]

Again, another logical fallacy. No where did I take pride in history, what I was trying to make you realize is your self-contradicting assumption. Here you are telling us[Pashtuns/Afghans]we have no history.

Re-read my post i did not say no history, i said your history will be remembered as I stated and I said you have NO Future.

Ask your Comparative literature Professor to explain your irony in that statement. I obviously know it won't lead us anywhere fast. That wasn't the point. You are now raising a completely different card, the point is what you was baseless.

you are misconstruing my statements to suit yourself.

How is it self-sufficient? Break it down to me, please. I like to learn.

We are not Afghanistan. We do have factories.

You being part of a military forum, I am sure you know how much you depend on American aid, and how much you will suffer without it. Like I said before, without American aid, Pakistan will crumble into pieces. In fact, let's be realistic shall we? Nearly all your AF aircraft hails from the USA. If the USA decides to get naughty, you won't find spare parts! And I am sure you are wise enough to know how much that will hurt you. Right now, your government is Washington friendly, you want to know what that means? That means Americans can walk around in Rawalpindi and shoot at who ever they want and get away with it. That means Americans can build a base in Pakistan, without you even realizing it. That means American contractors can roam freely and there is nothing you could do about, nada. So much for sovereignty, eh?
That stats scream US AID!

you are forgetting about China. and you didn't answer my question of how pakistan's f-16's flew for 15 years while under sanctions?

I 100% support the United States. I'm not anti-American.

[PakistaniPatriot]

Not thousands mate, you are getting too close!


Did I anywhere mention our victory on Russia? Nopes, I just said we survived the dirty war, which was played between Russia and USA, which Pakistan got paid for and Afghanistan used. So indeed, take the entire credit for your backwardness, barbarism, animalism, and everything else that comes along.


We don't have to do anything about it; Thank Zardari Ji for the (deserving) disaster.


Oh sorry, I ignored your thinking capacity there for a second!

you are not making any sense; take a break before you embarass yourself further.

[Shayesta]

^ So all those while I was making sense? Yet you were incapable of an argument rather than bullsh*t? And my posts are way too logical for you so you can just request me to stop replying, otherwise you will lose your own logic (whatever that is) and your own sense.

And oh, I am glad you ain't anti-USA! Don't leave the lap as long as the Dollars are there.

[PakistaniPatriot]

^ So all those while I was making sense? Yet you were incapable of an argument rather than bullsh*t? And my posts are way too logical for you so you can just request me to stop replying, otherwise you will lose your own logic (whatever that is) and your own sense.

And oh, I am glad you ain't anti-USA! Don't leave the lap as long as the Dollars are there.

no don't credit yourself. you never were making any sense. i was just humoring your pre-pubescent thinking.

[Admin Khan]

Re-read my post i did not say no history, i said your history will be remembered as I stated and I said you have NO Future.

Gosh. Even worse. Who are you to tell Afghans they have no future? How does that sound? Who are you going to tell an Afghan, who is suffering after 3 decades of war that he has no future? What happened to your ethics and morals? Is this how you were raised? By insulting a brave nation? I am against people who constantly attack Pakistan, and I am certainly against heartless people like you who fail to understand the logic in their own arguments. I am dumbfounded, I just don't understand how someone can be full of such hate, and how someone could have such malicious intentions.

you are misconstruing my statements to suit yourself.

No I am not. I have quoted everything you said for that very reason. This is a little mind-exercise for you. It would be of your best interest to know that I hardly participate in the political talk section, but I don't mind taking you for a little spin.

We are not Afghanistan. We do have factories.

That's not an argument. I will still wait for you to construct a proper argument to support your hypothesis.

you are forgetting about China. and you didn't answer my question of how pakistan's f-16's flew for 15 years while under sanctions?

By getting aid from other nations obviously? Where is your common sense and why don't you understand that in 2011, Pakistan is dependent on US aid. If it was not dependent, it would have told the US they refuse to extradite the US citizen. But no, Pakistanis are not dumb. They know without the USA, they will crumble into little pieces. They know if they stop serving American interests, they will be a mess. This is the truth my friend. I don't mean to attack, nor do I mean to insult you, this is just something you have to know and this is something every common Pakistani agrees with. In 2011, Pakistan is suffering. Prices have sky-rocketed, ring your family and ask them how it is to live in Pakistan in these days.

I 100% support the United States. I'm not anti-American.

Of course you will. You have no other choice. Who else will pay you billions to follow commands? That my friend is not Sovereignty.

I hope you understand.

[Azmal]

@Patriot
Your birth was artificial, your past was artificial, your present is artificial, and you have no future. And ask your heroes a.k.a. ISI where Osama is hidden? I wouldn't be surprised if Zardari would have sold Bhutto to him instead, it might also earn some Dollars, aye? And Russia also has a massive army, remember what happened to them?

Pukis are funny lot…a fake nation constructed by the imperial masters under a fake ideology (two-nation theory) living in a fake federation, could not survive one War (1971) and they are going to tell us their achivements? lol
The difference is despite the troubles we have passed through, Afghans still have a lot to take pride in not to mention their glorious struggle for liberty and honor both political and militant, their Pashtunwali, and heroes. But what Pakistan has to take pride in except humiliation in the 4 wars that it fought with India and indignation at the hands of its Western masters, again and again, apart from institutional degeneration and moral, political, and civic decay? A well know harlot as westerns rightly call Pakistan.

When has a Pakistani south-east of Indus stood for self-esteem and dignity?

Here is some short history of your fake nation…crated by British agent alcohol drinking, pork eating Ali Jenah.



ISI:
ISI was the brainchild of Australian-born British Army officer, Major General R. Cawthome, then Deputy Chief of Staff in the Pakistan Army.

Pakistan Militray:
Remnant of British India army, made up of Indian-Muslims whom have faithfully served British for 200 years... Including but not limited against Iraq , Afghanistan , World War 1 and 2.



Army:
First two Chief of Army Staff of the Pakistan Army where General Sir Frank Messervy (August 15, 1947 - February 10, 1948) General Sir Douglas David Gracey ( February 11, 1948 - January 16, 1951 .


Pakistan air force.

Air force Chiefs
Air Vice Marshal Allan Perry-Keane (August 15, 1947 - February 17, 1949)
Air Vice Marshal R.L.R. Atcherley (February 18, 1949 - May 6, 1951)
Air Vice Marshal L.W. Cannon (May 7, 1951 - June 19, 1955)
Air Vice Marshal A.W.B. McDonald (June 20, 1955 - July 22, 1957)

Naval Chiefs
Vice Admiral J.W. Jefford CB CBE (August 14, 1947 - January 31, 1953)

[Shayesta]

@Patriot
There is a difference between thinking and knowledge, looks like you own none. Keep 'humouring' whatever you like, the biggest circus is to be found in your own community to begin with.