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  • Taliban at Odds With Osama bin Laden.

    America's 17 intelligence agencies have spent more than half a trillion dollars - more than $500,000,000,000 - since 9/11, most of it on the global war on terror, and the Obama administration still believes that if Taliban supremo Mullah Muhammad Omar Akhund were to return to power in Kabul, al-Qaida would be back too - "in a heartbeat." And this despite much evidence to the contrary.

    Recent weeks have produced a number of reports about "negotiations" between some Taliban elements and the Kabul government as well as with U.S. and NATO intermediaries. There were contacts but no negotiations and none of the Taliban participants was authorized to speak on behalf of the reclusive and secretive Mullah Omar, who has been in hiding since the U.S. invasion collapsed his regime in October 2001.

    Judging from Special Envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan Richard Holbrooke's appearance on Fareed Zakaria's "GPS" program on Sunday, there is still little knowledge of what has been in the public domain since June 14, 2001.

    UPI consultant Ammar Turabi, a Pakistani-born American, and this reporter, sat cross-legged on the carpeted mud floor of Omar's Spartan adobe house on the west end of Kandahar and listened to the reclusive war leader's list of complaints about Osama bin Laden.

    The world's most wanted terrorist - and the scion of a wealthy Saudi family - was expelled from Sudan under Western pressure in 1996 and decided to return to the country of his wartime exploits against the Soviet Union.

    Omar, still consolidating his civil war victory, was paid handsomely by bin Laden, who then began setting up terrorist training camps. But it soon became apparent that bin Laden was overplaying his hand.

    The 1998 terrorist bombing of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania had been planned while bin Laden was living in Khartoum. But the bombing of the USS Cole in Aden harbor was clearly planned from Afghanistan.

    The $10,000 authorization for the Aden attack - which killed 17 U.S. sailors and caused $250 million worth of damage to the $1 billion warship - was found in Kabul when it was liberated.

    The ideological and personality differences between the two leaders have long been misunderstood. Taliban is an indigenous movement made up of mostly ethnic Pashtuns, midwifed by Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency to put an end to the civil war and fill a vacuum left by the Soviet retreat from Afghanistan in February 1989.

    Mullah Omar consolidated his power with the title of Amir-ul-Mumineen (Supreme Commander of the Faithful) in the "Islamic Emirate" of Afghanistan, a medieval theocratic dictatorship and pitiless inquisition that deprived women of all rights - except to stay home to cook and take care of the children and to go to market covered head to foot in a burqa.

    Omar and his immediate entourage made clear to Turabi, a multilinguist, and me that any fatwa issued by bin Laden declaring jihad, or holy war, was "null and void." He explained bin Laden hadn't completed his 12 years of mandatory Koranic studies to qualify for the position of mufti.

    The Afghan supreme leader also told us bin Laden isn't allowed any contact with the media or foreign government representatives. And bin Laden himself had finally sworn fealty to Omar in a statement published in April 2001, two months before our trip - "Amir-ul-Mumineen is the ruler and legitimate Amir who is ruling by the Shariah of Allah."

    Bin Laden, the ambitious global braggadocio, was not what Mullah Omar the recluse had in mind. Some intermarriage between the two families was arranged. Between the two leaders, it was a shotgun wedding.

    Omar resented the worldwide publicity bin Laden was getting from invited foreign journalists, including CNN's Peter Bergen, from 1996 through 1999, and warned him to cut it out.

    The one-eyed, 6-foot-6, five-times-wounded guerrilla leader against the Soviet occupation, made clear to us the Taliban regime would like to "resolve or dissolve" the bin Laden issue.

    In return, he expected the United States to establish a dialogue to work out an acceptable solution that would lead to "an easing and then lifting of U.N. sanctions that are strangling and killing the people of the Emirate."

    Afghanistan, according to Omar's entourage, has suggested to the United States (via the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad, Pakistan) and to the United Nations that international "monitors" keep bin Laden under observation pending a resolution of the case, "but so far we have received no reply."

    Aides said they had also informed the United States they were putting bin Laden on trial for his alleged crimes and requested that evidence be presented. The court allegedly sat for 30 days without evidence being presented against bin Laden. It extended its hearing for another 10 days, according to the same aides, to give the U.S. side time to act. But nothing materialized, said the aides.

    Bin Laden, for his part, swore on the Koran he had nothing to do with the terrorist bombings in Kenya, Tanzania, and Aden and that he isn't responsible for what others do who claim to know him.

    All our interlocutors kept telling us "the Koran forbids the taking of the lives of women, children, and old people in strife, conflict, and war." Omar said the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, which the United States says bin Laden ordered, are "criminal acts and the perpetrators are criminals and should be so judged."

    It would be interesting to know whether U.S. President Barack Obama ever read what Mullah Omar had to say three months before 9/11. In his interview with Zakaria last Sunday, it became clear Holbrooke hadn't. Unknown, too, is the Saudi link with Omar.

    The diplomatic magician who engineered the 1995 Dayton Peace Accords ending the Bosnia war knows from personal experience nothing was possible without the hated Serbian dictator Slobodan Milosevic. This time change Dayton for Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. And the late Milosevic for Mullah Omar. Add Pakistan and remove Afghan President Hamid Karzai. And you may get a peace deal that would enable 44 nations involved in Afghanistan to go home.

    This is a direct message to this reporter from Mullah Omar.
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  • #2
    Good post: it is so OBVIOUS that this was the case that one can assume there was a massive COVER-UP of the truth.
    Aimed at manipulating the US public into going along the apparent necessity of overthrowing the Taliban and taking over the entire country...pretty weird plan when one thinks about it.
    Unfortunately too many Americans are zombified so they never raise even the tiniest of eyebrows when they SHOULD be calculating whether the media and govt officials are telling one the truth or not.

    Who was this journalist in the article by the way?

    This article reveals another angle to foreign policy decisionmaking and implementation in America in this day and age.

    Look at the two people cited: Richard Holbrooke and Fareed Zakaria.
    Whole threads could be done about the latter.
    But what do these have in common?
    Yep, both are Council on Foreign Relations insiders.
    Fareed Zakaria - who by the way is no Muslim at all for he
    is a "connoisseur" of wine and prides himself on it -
    was mysteriously chosen Managing Editor of guess which magazine
    at the unheard of age of 28 in 1992 ?
    Yes, it's CFR's own mouthpiece called Foreign Affairs.
    He was there for 8 long years : obviously a trusted protegee groomed for
    more important roles.
    He fully supported Bush's invasion of Iraq. The immigrant from Mumbai India
    insisted that
    400,000 American troops
    should have been sent !

    There is so much more to examine about this fishy character with the evil eyes that it would require another thread.

    Because it's topical now, here is a comment on an article from 2009 which fawned all over Fareed:

    "By Biznik on 03/08/2009



    I see that Mr. Zakaria is being used like so many others of foreign origin, by powerful interest groups to promulgate the usual prejudices that infect American politics.

    He has just interviewed the son of Mobaryk [Mubarak], after calling Egypt the "heart" of Islamic terrorism. Any serious and honest discussion of the problems of the Middle East must mention the role of Israel as the primary source of hatred in the Islamic world. Mr. Zakaria, apparently, prefers to join the list of media cowards rather than mention the truth."

    It reveals that at least some American observers --- though they may not know how to spell the now infamous leader's name --- are not fooled by his
    bland, boring manner and impossible to pin down politics.

    Now let's look at Holbrooke, always cited as some great expert on South Asia.

    Before his death last year, he was the consummate Bilderberger group hack for decades.
    Holbrooke was a regular at their global meetings, held in great secrecy.

    He was no mere innocent, experienced diplomat the way he was portrayed in the media.
    There ARE some like that;
    however it's always ONLY the known people like Holbrooke who
    are trusted by these rather hidden forces that determine US foreign policy with major assignments, especially in those corners
    the US is beating drums to go to war.
    Or sustain a war.

    Therefore, back to this article above, it's not that Holbrooke was just not clued into the reality of the Taliban situation vis a vis Osama;
    he - as ALL of these grey figures - was playing a role suited to the script set for him by these power elite groups.

    Last edited by Catya Sher; 02-16-2011, 11:00 PM.

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    • #3
      did you check out grossman and the cohen group yet, catya sher?

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      • #4
        the talibs were naive for even keeping him around, especially after the embassy bombings.
        There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

        Sayyid Qutb

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