Reconciliation and Reintegration of the Taliban - Is it possible?

[jj1990]

I'm not very well informed when it comes to the whole karzai/taliban peace negotiating situation or afghan politics in general but i've noticed there are a lot of people in the know here.

My question is whether reconciliation and the reintegration of the taliban into afghan society is actually possible or not. If so how would it be accomplished? If not, what are the factors that would contribute to it?

I'm genuinely interested in the whole concept of reintegration even though i have a very low opinion of the taliban in general.

[graveyardofempires]

reintegration into the afghan society?

[qunduz92]

my answer is that they already are well-integrated into the afghan society, the puppets who have recently fled from america and europe on the other hand need to work on reintegration.

as for reconciliation, it is imminent. us/nato can and will not afford to stay any longer. america is already over 14 trillion dollars in debt. the war is not winnable for them, and there are no workable strategies outlined by them for "success". the taliban are essentially afghan people who fight back because they are fought with. they have the support of a considerable amount of the population and nearly everyone today is in disfavor of Us and Nato presence regardless.

this is what i think will happen:

us and nato will begin pulling out in the near future after the taliban leadership agrees to a complete ceasefire in return for their departure. us/nato will then begin deceiving people into thinking they won.

a new leader will emerge, covertly backed by the CIA, who will seemingly be a strict muslim advocating for an islamic government, thus winning favor amongst the populace but at the same time covertly/publicly friendly with israel and outsiders. he may seek to integrate the taliban remnants into his planned-for government.

the taliban, will not be deceived and will continue to seek for their complete re-emergence, only in a smarter, slightly modified, more appealing-to-the-public form. the afghan people will be too tired and so fed up with conflict and foreign armies that they will easily be subdued. the taliban, influenced and pumped up with their power and victory, will begin having more expansionist goals.

[Admin Khan]

Your question depends on your definition of a "Talib". Today, everyone who speaks up against the opposition is labeled as a Talib, Wahabi or even worse near instantaneously. When the Americans first invaded, their analysts had said there are no more than 50,000 Talibs. After wiping out villages, towns and supposedly killing thousands of Talibans is someone going to sit here and tell me the same 50,000 Taliban still exist? Or is it that locals have now picked up arms[like they have historically]to kick out what they like to call the "invader". Why are local Afghans against this invader? Well, it's not that they are xenophobic or something. There is a lot more to it. Many children have no clue why their father is locked up in a secret prison, many wives don't know why their husband died, many mothers don't know why they are being interrogated.Many have witnessed torture, many are victims of exoneration, and last but not least, many are just unhappy with the presence of war lords in high governmental posts. The only solution that sounds plausible to them is obvious. If you have war-lords who are known as crooks dictating the Aghan future, then we have a bigger problem. To keep things simple, many are against coalition forces because they claim they have brought several new unwanted things to Afghanistan such as handing out Pashto/Dari Bibles to local Afghans, such as destroying the infrastructure with tons of bombs. Now whether it's the Talibs responsible for it, or the coalition forces, at the end of the day it's an Afghan suffering.

There are many ways to answer your question. For one, you must realize that Afghanistan arguably has the most important geo-strategic position in Asia. Whether we like to admit or not, or whether we want to lie about this, the people who are now against the Americans are local Afghans. Before anyone begins singing me the ISI song, save it for someone else. I don't want to discuss how their "leadership" is influenced by ISI, perhaps maybe a few of you are right? I don't find it surprising if a neighboring country is attempting to exert influence on her neighbor. Iran wants a Persian Afghanistan, Pakistan wants a pro-Islamabad Afghanistan. And Afghans just want peace.

Can you negotiate with the Talibs? I'm not quite sure if a 23 year old is willing to negotiate after you killed his father or cut the fingers of his dead uncle, or if you sliced his head and took it to your superior to show him if you killed the right person[Read what the Gurkha regiment did to a dead Afghan for a further elaboration] If your wondering what they do what the fingers of dead Afghans, they apparently take it as war trophy. I learned about the aforementioned by reading this link below.

Key soldier in Afghan war crimes case faces court-martial | Reuters


/My dos pesos.

[khushal]

Your question doesnt make sense. Your question should be is it possible to integrate the criminal warlords and corrupt leaders into afghan society. well the answer to that is the US and Nato forces are trying and so far no success.

[graveyardofempires]

the question should be : should karzai be brought to an international tribunal for crimes against Afghan nation? what should happen to all the warlords and criminals in the parliament? should they get amnesty and continue in politics or amnesty and 10thousands hours of public service?

[jj1990]

thanks for your input qunduz_92 and Admin Khan.

[khushal]

I guess JayJay didnt like my and Graveyards input. I wonder why.

[qunduz92]

^ you two answered the questioner who merely wanted to learn viewpoints, with a rude tone.

there is always an appropriate manner to approach an individual depending on where they're coming from. in this case the questioner admit a lack of experience/knowledge in the subject and asked for some help.

moreover, instead of providing answers you misjudged the asker's intentions and retorted with more questions instead. lol..

[khushal]

babo janay,
i liked your former username better. I dont think mines or Graveyards response was rude. Jayjay is looking at the whole afghan thing from a viewpoint of mainstream media. I just wanted to make him look at it from the viewpoint of reality. The resistence is the afghan population and the warlords are the criminals whom the population are resisting. The US is trying to integrate the warlords back into the population and it is not working. Now he should figure out why this is not working just by the comment I made above. I think he didnt mention me and graveyards was because he didnt like reality, he likes what mainstream media tells him, "WE are saints and they are evil period damnit"

[jj1990]

i didn't mention your posts because it had nothing to do with what i asked in the OP, this thread isn't about kharzai or the northern alliance.

[khushal]

This thread is about afghanistan and the people that live in it. and it has everything to do with the Kharzai and the warlords wheather they are NA or not.