Opinions on Protest in Egypt

[Gulalai]

I now we have many threads here on PF updating us on what is going on in Egypt these days. But i wanted to create a thread where everyone could discuss the matter under one thread.

So i would love to hear all of your thoughts, ideas, opinions on the protests. Are you anti Mubarak? are you pr Mubarak? What do you hope to see in the future? How do you think everything will play out? How do you think other counties should or will be effected? etc.

Hope to hear from you all

[sahil112]

best chance to install a muslim khalifa state which will influence all the other bordering countries and hopefully get saudi to act like muslims aswell!! i am for the protests and change in regime !

[qunduz92]

what i personally think based on my limited knowledge on the politics of the middle-east is there is a good chance the unrest will spread to the rest of vulnerable arab countries such as yemen, libya, algeria, jordan, saudi, lebanon, iraq and even to afghanistan and pakistan countries which are not in the middle east. its worth mentioning that the latter countries' civilians are most perturbed with their leadership and hence the liklihood for a very far-reaching and momentous uprising.

america is trying hard to take advantage of the current occurrences because they feel the overthrowing of the power structure in egypt for example is imminent and a pro-american/israel government should form, not an anti-israel, islamically-inclined one.

i personally do not think american motivations to get involved comprise of anything related to the want for the establishment of democratic institutions in middle eastern countries because the fact is, which they are well aware of, that the masses are anti-american and anti-israel. true democracies in middle eastern countries are the last thing the west wants.

so in sum i think americans, as they are doing already, will take advantage of the situation covertly trying hard to install pro-american regimes, obviously breaking the rules while they're at it. next, i strongly feel that the new, fledgling regimes will lack legitimacy amongst the people and instability, in-fighting, and conflict will be widespread as a result. i believe killing and mayhem will be very commonplace. the superpower (probably israel by that time) and other NATO countries will feast on their resources and try using the arab people as pawns against one another to instigate more bloodshed.

finally, i believe this power vaccuum resulting from widespread lawlessness and instability will result in paving the way for the army of mahdi (as) to emerge from the confines of modern day afghanistan, helped by millions of pakhtuns. they will in my opinion be the army that will conquer every territory until they reach jerusalem, and conquer that as well. i believe they will then conquer other areas such as saudi, after heavy fighting and turkey without raising a weapon. the prophet (saw) said no one will be able to stop that army (from afghanistan). i personally believe there is a great chance it will happen not very long from now. but Allah (swt) knows best. 10 years ago, no established political analyst would have dared say that the "rag-tag" impoverished, and fleeing taliban remnants would keep their ground, gaining the upper-hand in the war against some 50 of the world's most powerful nations, but it happened. so Allah (swt) can do anything He (swt) wishes, our predictions are simply predictions.

[graveyardofempires]

mubarak must go!!! mubarak must go!!!
its about time these dictators are confronted.

[qunduz92]

i remember there is an authentic hadith ( i believe in Muslim ) about how the arabs will be very few during the time of Mahdi (as) emergence. i will look for it and post it.

[qunduz92]

Sahih Muslim 041.7035

Umm Sharik reported: I heard Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The people would run away from the Dajjal seeking shelter in the mountains. She said: Where would be the Arabs then in that day? He said: They would be small in number.

also,

"Three men will fight at the place where your treasure is, and each of them will be a son of a caliph, but none of them will get hold of it. Then black banners will appear from the east, and they will kill you in a way that has never been done to a nation before.” Thawbaan said: “Then he said something which I do not remember, and then he continued to say: “If you see him [i.e. the Mahdi], give him your allegiance even if you have to crawl on the ice (in order to do that).” [Ibn Maajah - Al-Qurbubi graded its chain of narrators authentic and Ibn Katheer wrote that its chain of narrators is strong and authentic]

[Catya Sher]

Thank you for the above !
What does the son of a Caliph mean, I wonder ? In today's context especially?
Wow, to crawl on the ice -
What does "they will kill you in a way that has never been done to a nation before" signify?

My approach to Mubarak summed up here
what lenin termed
a "useful idiot" --
no offense to OUR
Idiot! --
for Tel Aviv.
that's why he's been
there ever since
Sadat's demise.
He probably allows
secret Israeli ops inside
Egypt, maybe even bases
and many sinister
secret deals were made
which of course the
US and its pet Israel
are loath to have
abrogated by a new
govt not OKing the secret privileges for US & Israel

[graveyardofempires]

the situation in Egypt is tense , i feel sorry for what is happening,the poor people are showing thier emotions after many decades and they are beaten down margenalized.

it seems mubarak si not planning to go any time soon and maybe his son will be the next president,and it continues.

[qunduz92]

Thank you for the above !
What does the son of a Caliph mean, I wonder ? In today's context especially?
Wow, to crawl on the ice -
What does "they will kill you in a way that has never been done to a nation before" signify?

My approach to Mubarak summed up here
what lenin termed
a "useful idiot" --
no offense to OUR
Idiot! --
for Tel Aviv.
that's why he's been
there ever since
Sadat's demise.
He probably allows
secret Israeli ops inside
Egypt, maybe even bases
and many sinister
secret deals were made
which of course the
US and its pet Israel
are loath to have
abrogated by a new
govt not OKing the secret privileges for US & Israel

son of a caliph, i do not know. but i am guessing it is maybe referring to the son of an authoritarian ruler.
the phrase crawl over ice is used many times by rasulullah (Saw) when mentioning mahdi (as). scholars say this is a sign he will emerge from a cold climate with snow and ice present. otherwise the prophet (saw) would have used a different analogy.
as for the killing as never before, i beleive it refers to heavy fighting between arabs and mahdi's (as) armies. in saudi, for instance, mahdi (AS) army will request food and water because they would be tired and needy. the locals will refuse which will prompt war and heavy casualties.

[Saifullah]

go to hell mubarak, he is the Pharoah of today. He is so arrogant, he doesn't have any shame and doesn't want to leave till he kills and makes his people suffer more. I've never seen such a stupid leader like him, he crosses all limits.....the curse of the oppressed surely will not be left unanswered. Inshallah he will leave

[Saifullah]

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[Saifullah]

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[graveyardofempires]

go to hell mubarak, he is the Pharoah of today. He is so arrogant, he doesn't have any shame and doesn't want to leave till he kills and makes his people suffer more. I've never seen such a stupid leader like him, he crosses all limits.....the curse of the oppressed surely will not be left unanswered. Inshallah he will leave

does karzai ring any bells?

[ScimitarXEdge]

Mubarak is sending out his own "Basijis" to take care of the protestors; they report them as "pro Mubarak protestors" when it's probably just Mubarak cronies/agents taking to the streets to make it seem like there's a legitimate civilian contingency that support him. It Wouldn't surprise me if CIA cadres and clandestined operations were somehow in the mix doing damage control to try to maintain America's last bastion of control on Egypt.

Notice none of the major American media outlets are covering this issue like the people are the victims but rather Mubarak is? CNN Made Anderson Cooper seem like he was being beaten by Anti Mubarak protestors; when it was the Pro Mubarak contingent that was initiating attacks.

The sudden emergence of Baradei despite being a crony for the IAEA is a perfect stage for U.S. damage control he cow towed for U.S. and U.N. interests in Iran, he's their wild card, Egyptians should not rally behind him. It's America's last bid to sweep in and regain control.

[randolph85]

the egyptian position is a tough one, though i see the eventual fall of mubarak as a blessing. not that it will lead to a strong islamic state, but rather it will lay the foundation of a strong state leaning more towards domestic islamic interests than foreign interests. 30 years of mubarak rule has left the opposition with no high profile personalities to assume a leadership role in a post mubarak age. el baradei has got to be the luckiest "opposition leader" ever, the dude has not suffered the wrath of the regime he opposes, barely visited egypt prior to this mess, and now is the only high profile name in the game.

the good thing i see coming from this is a large role for the brotherhood in the new government, after the 30 years of hell that was mubarak for them, they certainly deserve it and i applaud them. now we must look out for the damage control of the west, and the pressuring of egypt to maintain its recognition of israel. though, this may be a great thing, as it gives the palestinians a huge bargaining chip. recognizing a pali state on 67 borders with e. jerusalem as its capital in exchange for a maintained peace treaty with egypt.