Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

My appearance on Canadian talk show to discuss the Afghan war

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #46
    Originally posted by Wrayun View Post
    And who are the Taliban? Are they Pakistanis? Is Mullah Omar, Hekmatyar, Haqqani Pakistani? If not Pakistan then there will be someone else to support the marginalized Pukhtoon majority after whom the state is named Afghan-e-stan. There will never be a stable government in Afghanistan if a minority imposes it's will on a majority that are the rightful owners of the state.

    Pakistan is only taking advantage of the internal crises, and until that is resolved there will never be a stable government. There will continue to be Omars, Hekmatyars, Haqqani's and even Karzais, who threaten to join or encourage the Taliban and is now marginalized by the minorities.

    Parsiwans have this nice attitude to turn every legitimate Pukhtoon concern into a Pakistani agenda. When the minority recognizes it's role, and place, there will be no need for any Pukhtoon of Afghanistan to take help from Pakistan. The same Pakistan who is good enough for millions of Parsiwans to live in, and from whom Masood and Rabbani took assistance as long as they saw it fit.

    My wish and hope is for all Afghans, is to live in peace, but this can only be done when the legitimate rulers of the state are realized. Afghanistan is not a utopian democracy nor are Afghans the average demorcatic citizens. Tribalism is a huge part of the culture, history and politics. This is why the Northern Alliance is exclusively non-Pukhtoon = tribalism. When Parsiwan speak and talk about Parsiwans rights, that is tribalism.


    So your saying Taliban represent Pashtuns? The reason Pashtun are becoming Pakistan proxies and blowing up girl school, roads, bridge, hospitals, clinics and become suicide bombers and kill innocent fallow Pashtun and non-Pashtun alike is b/c they don't have enough share in power?
    You guys have nothing to show for over 250 years of rule…absolutely nothing other then Taliban and Khalqi…one that killed for not praying and other kill for praying. Quit frankly we are tired of you people…if you want to live under your fallow pashtun Pakistani dog Taliban then be it…we will fight until last drop of our blood to prevent Taliban coming back…that’s a promise!

    Ps: I just hope and wish your brother across border also enjoy Taliban rule…that’s my prayer to god…let all NWFP and all Pakistan come under Taliban rule so they know.

    Comment


    • #47
      Originally posted by parsiwaan View Post
      So your saying Taliban represent Pashtuns? The reason Pashtun are becoming Pakistan proxies and blowing up girl school, roads, bridge, hospitals, clinics and become suicide bombers and kill innocent fallow Pashtun and non-Pashtun alike is b/c they don't have enough share in power?
      You guys have nothing to show for over 250 years of rule…absolutely nothing other then Taliban and Khalqi…one that killed for not praying and other kill for praying. Quit frankly we are tired of you people…if you want to live under your fallow pashtun Pakistani dog Taliban then be it…we will fight until last drop of our blood to prevent Taliban coming back…that’s a promise!

      Ps: I just hope and wish your brother across border also enjoy Taliban rule…that’s my prayer to god…let all NWFP and all Pakistan come under Taliban rule so they know.
      wow u must be a strong northern alliance supporter,
      what do you mean nothing to show for 250 years of rule? we have been constantly invaded and we have been constantly repelling invasions, cant believe we let the likes of you in though, if i was in power on afghanistan i would send you straight back to your tajikistan and uzbekistan and china
      Ka Makh De Rana Hear Sho No Jehan Ba Rana Hear She
      Ka Nom De Rana Hear Sho No Khpal Zan Ba Rana Her She[

      Comment


      • #48
        Originally posted by Alchemist View Post
        You can't have your cake and eat it too.

        No Combat involvement from NATO, stricter pull back dateline and Negotiation with Taliban.

        The problem with such debates is that the rhetoric in it is predetermined. You seemed to have agreed on the main point which was that International Presence is key to Afghanistan's survival, and you also agreed that improvements had been made. Over all you were pushing your own "story" (i.e, pashtuns are marginalized) and you were challenged on all other counts...then you had to agree with Captain Ray that the Taliban are crazy yahoos who intimidate their own. This is the problem with "educated" afghans such as your self...how can you expect the NATO commanders to negotiate with the Taliban if even you don't trust or believe in them as being your own people. No gorilla force would survive without the support of the peoples of the population. Over all your argument was futile and self contradicting. James made a much better argument...I would have said what he said ...I wouldn't have EVER said that "night raids have been EFFICIENT"...

        You failed to attack the problem at the root...you should have questioned the presence of NATO...and instead of bringing the discussion on what mattered, you tried to push Obama's rhetoric..."Negotiate with the insurgents" ...there have also been reports that the Taliban have DENIED every claim of "negotiation". Their mandate is clear... drive out the invaders like the way the drove out the Soviets. The former ambassador also pushed Obama's policy by saying that "the reason for stalemate is Pakistan"... you seemed to have agreed with 90% of what was said. Instead of talking about the context of the war...you were more concerned with the strategy for the war...how they should kill Afghans...excuse me..Taliban. Context, in the way James was discussing in the first minute of the interview ... maybe you should have just let him do the talking. Why should any casualty be tolerable? You should have challenged the ambassador on his nonsense poppy claim...poppy harvest was completely eradicated under the watch of Taliban in 2001!

        In any case... I don't blame you. When in Rome do as the Romans do ..right?
        Well said… the dude has no idea what he was saying...at the end i thought it was Musharf or someone from paki establishment when he was questioning Indian consulate in Afghanistan. Seriously my fallow countrymen Pashtun I really feel sorry for you people…with this kind of friends you guys surely don’t need an enemy…your worst enemy of your own and funny part is you don’t even realize it.
        All I have to tell you guys is…if you wish to see a strong, stable and independent Afghanistan then better come down from top of Pakistan’s donkey…there is no way we will allow the return of barbarism that is Taliban…worst case we will divide Afghanistan and you guys will be the one reasonable for it.

        Comment


        • #49
          Originally posted by parsiwaan View Post
          Well said… the dude has no idea what he was saying...at the end i thought it was Musharf or someone from paki establishment when he was questioning Indian consulate in Afghanistan. Seriously my fallow countrymen Pashtun I really feel sorry for you people…with this kind of friends you guys surely don’t need an enemy…your worst enemy of your own and funny part is you don’t even realize it.
          All I have to tell you guys is…if you wish to see a strong, stable and independent Afghanistan then better come down from top of Pakistan’s donkey…there is no way we will allow the return of barbarism that is Taliban…worst case we will divide Afghanistan and you guys will be the one reasonable for it.
          you will divide afghanistan? are you being serious?
          Ka Makh De Rana Hear Sho No Jehan Ba Rana Hear She
          Ka Nom De Rana Hear Sho No Khpal Zan Ba Rana Her She[

          Comment


          • #50
            Big round of applause for what Alchemist said.
            That is my take exactly.

            Comment


            • #51
              Originally posted by parsiwaan View Post
              So your saying Taliban represent Pashtuns? The reason Pashtun are becoming Pakistan proxies and blowing up girl school, roads, bridge, hospitals, clinics and become suicide bombers and kill innocent fallow Pashtun and non-Pashtun alike is b/c they don't have enough share in power?
              You guys have nothing to show for over 250 years of rule…absolutely nothing other then Taliban and Khalqi…one that killed for not praying and other kill for praying. Quit frankly we are tired of you people…if you want to live under your fallow pashtun Pakistani dog Taliban then be it…we will fight until last drop of our blood to prevent Taliban coming back…that’s a promise!

              Ps: I just hope and wish your brother across border also enjoy Taliban rule…that’s my prayer to god…let all NWFP and all Pakistan come under Taliban rule so they know.
              Parsiban,
              Parsibans in Afghanistan have no power. The real power is with Fahims and Rababi's masters, the Americans. Do you beleive that uneducated fahim has the courage or the intelect to marginalize pashtuns, it is not him, it is the Americans. The Americans know that by marginalizing the pashtuns, they will join the insurgency which will result in a division of the country. They are covertly pushing for the division of the country. They will use the Taliban to destabilize pakistan which will encourage the division of Pakistan. Americans are masters of misinformation, that is why they are the king of the world. These things are done on purpose, America doesnt want stability in the nation because instability serves their agenda. In 15 years the map of the region will be different from the map of today.

              But know this you will be landlocked, not us. Do you not remember that Uzbeks, Tajiks and Hazaras fought feriously against each other, who will rule Khorosan, do you beleive this khorasan will have stability. Do you not think that a pashtun nation of 50 million will not have influence in this khorosan with ethnicities that have no unity. If you join Tajikistan, do you beleive they will view you as equals, remember your people are tribal and they are not, you are backward, they are not. you are uneducated, they are not. You are considered barbarians by them. etc etc

              Why do you think the Tajikis and uzbekis never pushed for seperation in the past because they knew what it meant, but all of a sudden these days since american dollars are flashed in their faces, they are bending over, and it will be their own people's children that will suffer.

              Becarefull what you wish for, you know the rest.
              Last edited by khushal; 01-23-2011, 03:40 PM.

              Comment


              • #52
                Originally posted by Amir al Ghaznavi View Post
                bachem, what are you gonna do about it?
                Qandolak with long hair...I'm doing a lot about it... I was personal involve in building 3 girl schools in Kabul and Herat…while your busy cheering for your stone age Pakistani stooge. who are blowing up girl school and throwing acid on face of girls who dare to go to schools---
                Acid thrown in the faces of two Afghan schoolgirls as they walk to school | Mail Online
                We are building schools, universities and educating our people...do you know over 9 years how many schools are build in non-pashtun Afghanistan? Do you know almost 80% of afghan girls that are attending school are non-pashtun?

                you dont think I know that the Taliban at its higher leadership has been thoroughly infiltrated by ISI?

                Your sugar mouthing it...Taliban is a pakistani created front to further Pakistan national interest...the reason they are still surviving is first their leadership and all organization is outside Afghanistan, second they can intermediate locals and also they can use tribalism and islamist to fool people as its the cause with you and other suit and tie wearing taliban supports.



                What are you gonna do about it? Rely on speen foreign troops to kill your own fellow Afghans because of who theyre armed by to resist?
                do you realize the only reason the ISI can exert the control they do over the Taliban is because they are the only means by which the Taliban can resist. So if there was no need to resist, the Taliban would not be between a rock and a hard place the way they are, thus making them succeptible to ISI machinations
                Your imply as if Taliban is a independent Afghan movement with grass root support..who created Taliban? Who still manage and control Taliban?...the day Pakistan things there is no use of Taliban...there will be no Taliban.
                I rather have the foreign troops then those lice ridden Pakistani and their stooge.

                You think this issue is all about Pakistan, everything can be boiled down to that? its convinient for you, because that way we;re not talking about permanent US bases and Northern Alliance monopolization of political and financial power
                Just wonder are you quoting Musharaf and Hamidgul line by line or its your own thinking? Do you even know that there is no NA any more?...half of what was NA are in pocket of Karzia..ex Sayuf, Rabbani, Hazrat, Fahim, Khalili, Dostom and other half is supporting Abdullah Abdullah. I suggest you go and read about percentage of Pashtun in gov before you quoting the enemy.
                Lets assume for a movement what you say is true..even though I know for a fact that more then 60% of current afghan gov is Pashtun…including spy chief, defense, foreign affair, fanciness, economy, education and… how could that justify the beheading, blowing up school and suicide bombing?

                Comment


                • #53
                  Originally posted by sahil112 View Post
                  you will divide afghanistan? are you being serious?
                  Worst case scenario...If Taliban ever came back then there will be no Afghanistan.

                  Comment


                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Amir al Ghaznavi View Post
                    bachem,

                    boro yak "capable non pashtun" yof ko, find me one please
                    Girly hair e Qandolak,
                    There are thousands...wasn’t the non-pashton who stood up like a oak against pukistan invasion and prevented Afghanistan become fifth provinces of Pakistan. Im surprise you talk about capable non-pashtun but then you think of Amir Saheeb e Momemeen the 3rd grade pass, Pakistani stooge, one eye leader of Taliban Mullah Saheeb Omar as the only capable leader of your ethnic. Lol Are pashtun this much bankrupt and miserable that a one eye illiterate mullah becomes their sole leader? Man it sucks to be pashtun.

                    Comment


                    • #55
                      Originally posted by parsiwaan View Post
                      Girly hair e Qandolak,
                      There are thousands...wasn’t the non-pashton who stood up like a oak against pukistan invasion and prevented Afghanistan become fifth provinces of Pakistan. Im surprise you talk about capable non-pashtun but then you think of Amir Saheeb e Momemeen the 3rd grade pass, Pakistani stooge, one eye leader of Taliban Mullah Saheeb Omar as the only capable leader of your ethnic. Lol Are pashtun this much bankrupt and miserable that a one eye illiterate mullah becomes their sole leader? Man it sucks to be pashtun.
                      I guess parsibans are so used to bending over in exchange for foriegn help and have foreigners to fight for you protecting you as if you were their women, you have forgotten what it feels like to be a man.

                      Comment


                      • #56
                        Originally posted by sahil112 View Post
                        wow u must be a strong northern alliance supporter,
                        what do you mean nothing to show for 250 years of rule? we have been constantly invaded and we have been constantly repelling invasions, cant believe we let the likes of you in though,
                        Constantly invaded? Angreez were brought by your Pashtun Shash Shuja, Russian were brought by your Pashton Babrak Karmal, Najib, Tani, and rest….Arab and Pakistanis were brought by your Amir E Momenin one eye Mullah Saheeb Omar…and Amirican come with Karzia.

                        if i was in power on afghanistan i would send you straight back to your tajikistan and uzbekistan and china

                        You sure can try to expel us from our native land..this is what your other king did in North...brought Kochis and give our land to them..today these people are the breading ground for filth that is taliban... I’m seriously against ethnic cleansing but with you kind of people i sometimes wish Khorassan gets cleans.

                        Comment


                        • #57
                          Originally posted by parsiwaan View Post
                          Constantly invaded? Angreez were brought by your Pashtun Shash Shuja, Russian were brought by your Pashton Babrak Karmal, Najib, Tani, and rest….Arab and Pakistanis were brought by your Amir E Momenin one eye Mullah Saheeb Omar…and Amirican come with Karzia.



                          You sure can try to expel us from our native land..this is what your other king did in North...brought Kochis and give our land to them..today these people are the breading ground for filth that is taliban... I’m seriously against ethnic cleansing but with you kind of people i sometimes wish Khorassan gets cleans.
                          Who expelled them, You parsibans are proud to call yourself Afghan and attach yourself to afghan honor and take credit for the sacrifices pashtuns have made. Pashtuns are envied thoughout the world as unconquerable while nobody acknowleges your existence.

                          Comment


                          • #58
                            Originally posted by khushal View Post
                            I guess parsibans are so used to bending over in exchange for foriegn help and have foreigners to fight for you protecting you as if you were their women, you have forgotten what it feels like to be a man.

                            Lol..if it was not for those Pukistan frontier corp. and Punjab Regiment that were running your Taliban war machine….you would be pushed to other side of durrand line. You not only brought Pakistani of NWFP and FATA you even brought your Punjabi, Chinez and what not.

                            YouTube - The interference and invasion of either ISI Pakistan or Arabs during Talibans in Afghanistan

                            Comment


                            • #59
                              Originally posted by khushal View Post
                              Who expelled them, You parsibans are proud to call yourself Afghan and attach yourself to afghan honor and take credit for the sacrifices pashtuns have made. Pashtuns are envied thoughout the world as unconquerable while nobody acknowleges your existence.
                              You stupid guy... go read some book.

                              Comment


                              • #60
                                Originally posted by parsiwaan View Post
                                You stupid guy... go read some book.
                                Good comeback.

                                read this book... Ahmed shaw masood, the tajiki coward who wouldnt fight
                                http://www.rawa.org/massoud_ussr.htm
                                Last edited by khushal; 01-23-2011, 06:44 PM.

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X