Links of original photos of killing Americans and Westerners in Afghanistan

[Toramana]

As many members here happen to be hardcore Islamists although they may affix or prefix the word Pashtun with adjectives American, British to conceal their real views and feeling as well as continue benefiting from tolerance and hospitality in the land of the infidel, so they may be feeling really happy.

It is very unfortunate seeing this forum turn into an Al-Qaueda/Taleban media outlet.

I am sure psychpaths and neurotics can cause little harm to infidels except blowing up fellow Muslims and Pashtuns but the infidel powers togethor can decimate every single Pashtun and make every single Pashtun child, woman, elderly, etc. a scavenger, a beggar, a prostitute, etc.

I still remember hordes and hordes of Pashtun/Afghan women sitting beside the bakers' shops beging for a loaf of bread during Ramadhan and running after pennies thrown to them as alms on eve of Eid in the Raja Bazar of Rawalpindi not to mention the hordes and hordes and hordes of Pashtun scavengers and garbage-collectors in every streets and garbage heaps of Lahore ---a state that would make every self-respecting Pashtun embarrassed.

I was gossiping with Dr Mubarak Ali a renown historian in 2000 in Lahore and he mentioned this thing as how a proud people have been turned into a nation of beggars.

Pashtuns are fast on their way to becoming vassals of Punjabis and Arabs to be controlled through proxies like Mullah Umar, Gulbuddins, Haqqanis, etc. with land being used as terrorist heaven, with women decorating Arab harems and possibly also entertaining the affluent middle-class of Karachi and Punjab, childern supplying suicide bombers for the holy causes of Palestine, Kashmir, etc., and rest of manpower providing cheap labour force for the industrial and commercial empires at Lahore, Karachi, Dubai,...

On the Havilian Prison there is a welcome sentence written for Pashtun murderers punished with life imprisonment that says, "Da pinzawo saato/minto nara aow da swarlaso kalo dala pa khair raghlai"...

[BarakzaiAbdali]

As many members here happen to be hardcore Islamists although they may affix or prefix the word Pashtun with adjectives American, British to conceal their real views and feeling as well as continue benefiting from tolerance and hospitality in the land of the infidel, so they may be feeling really happy.

It is very unfortunate seeing this forum turn into an Al-Qaueda/Taleban media outlet.

I am sure psychpaths and neurotics can cause little harm to infidels except blowing up fellow Muslims and Pashtuns but the infidel powers togethor can decimate every single Pashtun and make every single Pashtun child, woman, elderly, etc. a scavenger, a beggar, a prostitute, etc.

I still remeber hordes and hordes of Pashtun/Afghan women sitting beside the bakers' shops beging for a loaf of bread during Ramadhan and running after pennies thrown to them as alms on eve of Eid in the Raja Bazar of Rawalpindi not to mention the hordes and hordes and hordes of Pashtun scavengers and garbage-collectors in every streets and garbage heaps of Lahore ---a state that would make every self-respecting Pashtun embarrassed.

I was gossiping with Dr Mubarak Ali a renown historian in 2000 in Lahore and he mentioned this thing as how a proud people have been turned into a nation of beggars.

Pashtuns are fast on their way to becoming vassals of Punjabis and Arabs to be controlled through proxies like Mullah Umar, Gulbuddins, Haqqanis, etc. with land being used as terrorist heaven, with women decorating Arab harems and possibly also entertaining the affluent middle-class of Karachi and Punjab, childern supplying suicide bombers for the holy causes of Palestine, Kashmir, etc., and rest of manpower providing cheap labour force for the industrial and commercial empires at Lahore, Karachi, Dubai,...

On the Havilian Prison there is a welcome sentence written for Pashtun murderers punished with life imprisonment that says, "Da pinzawo saato/minto nara aow da swarlaso kalo dala pa khair raghlai"...

Ahh, once again, you lash out without understanding that folks can hit back with equal and opposite rhetoric. The forum is becoming an outlet for extremists? Perhaps, but of each side; so therefore, it balances out to a moderate forum. I think Admin Khan and others have been very fair and protected each side from the other. I see Shayesta and Paikar trading blows over Massoud and extremism without hindrance from the moderators. David Kross debates freely with us without feeling angst. In fact, cross view friendships have blossomed and mutual respect exists. Secularists like Shlombaay and folks of a different view like myself are becoming fast friends. It is your ridiculous posts that insult people's mothers by calling them camels, question people's nationalities (even though you are a card carrying Pakistani), question people's nassloona and kabaeel (despite the fact that you openly admit you are an incorporated Pashtun historically but owe greater feality to Andarana and its Tajiks as seen here: http://www.pashtunforums.com/hujra-1...lgabari-10575/), insult Islam by calling it camelism, and finally insinuate motives where there are none.

You are becoming marginalized because people see you crying "wolf" again and again. THe forum is becoming a place where people feel comfortable saying what is on their mind in any way they see fit without feeling fear from your absurd accusations. People here want to see infrastructure and not fear mongering like you have offered them. They want results and a place they can go to to feel safe and get help from fellow Pashtuns about important life decisions and viewpoints.

Bottom line Toramana, the Afghans have taken their land back.

[Manzareh]

As many members here happen to be hardcore Islamists although they may affix or prefix the word Pashtun with adjectives American, British to conceal their real views and feeling as well as continue benefiting from tolerance and hospitality in the land of the infidel, so they may be feeling really happy.

It is very unfortunate seeing this forum turn into an Al-Qaueda/Taleban media outlet.

I am sure psychpaths and neurotics can cause little harm to infidels except blowing up fellow Muslims and Pashtuns but the infidel powers togethor can decimate every single Pashtun and make every single Pashtun child, woman, elderly, etc. a scavenger, a beggar, a prostitute, etc.

I still remember hordes and hordes of Pashtun/Afghan women sitting beside the bakers' shops beging for a loaf of bread during Ramadhan and running after pennies thrown to them as alms on eve of Eid in the Raja Bazar of Rawalpindi not to mention the hordes and hordes and hordes of Pashtun scavengers and garbage-collectors in every streets and garbage heaps of Lahore ---a state that would make every self-respecting Pashtun embarrassed.

I was gossiping with Dr Mubarak Ali a renown historian in 2000 in Lahore and he mentioned this thing as how a proud people have been turned into a nation of beggars.

Pashtuns are fast on their way to becoming vassals of Punjabis and Arabs to be controlled through proxies like Mullah Umar, Gulbuddins, Haqqanis, etc. with land being used as terrorist heaven, with women decorating Arab harems and possibly also entertaining the affluent middle-class of Karachi and Punjab, childern supplying suicide bombers for the holy causes of Palestine, Kashmir, etc., and rest of manpower providing cheap labour force for the industrial and commercial empires at Lahore, Karachi, Dubai,...

On the Havilian Prison there is a welcome sentence written for Pashtun murderers punished with life imprisonment that says, "Da pinzawo saato/minto nara aow da swarlaso kalo dala pa khair raghlai"...

Thats an emotional message...i think i understand you now.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

As many members here happen to be hardcore Islamists although they may affix or prefix the word Pashtun with adjectives American, British to conceal their real views and feeling as well as continue benefiting from tolerance and hospitality in the land of the infidel, so they may be feeling really happy.

It is very unfortunate seeing this forum turn into an Al-Qaueda/Taleban media outlet.

I am sure psychpaths and neurotics can cause little harm to infidels except blowing up fellow Muslims and Pashtuns but the infidel powers togethor can decimate every single Pashtun and make every single Pashtun child, woman, elderly, etc. a scavenger, a beggar, a prostitute, etc.

I still remember hordes and hordes of Pashtun/Afghan women sitting beside the bakers' shops beging for a loaf of bread during Ramadhan and running after pennies thrown to them as alms on eve of Eid in the Raja Bazar of Rawalpindi not to mention the hordes and hordes and hordes of Pashtun scavengers and garbage-collectors in every streets and garbage heaps of Lahore ---a state that would make every self-respecting Pashtun embarrassed.

I was gossiping with Dr Mubarak Ali a renown historian in 2000 in Lahore and he mentioned this thing as how a proud people have been turned into a nation of beggars.

Pashtuns are fast on their way to becoming vassals of Punjabis and Arabs to be controlled through proxies like Mullah Umar, Gulbuddins, Haqqanis, etc. with land being used as terrorist heaven, with women decorating Arab harems and possibly also entertaining the affluent middle-class of Karachi and Punjab, childern supplying suicide bombers for the holy causes of Palestine, Kashmir, etc., and rest of manpower providing cheap labour force for the industrial and commercial empires at Lahore, Karachi, Dubai,...

On the Havilian Prison there is a welcome sentence written for Pashtun murderers punished with life imprisonment that says, "Da pinzawo saato/minto nara aow da swarlaso kalo dala pa khair raghlai"...

For that matter, put your money where your mouth is. If you have a problem with Omar Hotak, Hekmatyaar, and Haqqani, go smoke them out. You have clout on the KP side of the border according to your prior posts of being a land owner and feudal. So go raise a laskhaar and deal with the problem directly and quit sending Americans to their deaths. Instead, you will continue to be a chickenhawk and happily send Dan, Barb, Joe and Steve into the meat grinder to do the job that you are unwilling to do yourself.

[کیش]

For that matter, put your money where your mouth is. If you have a problem with Omar Hotak, Hekmatyaar, and Haqqani, go smoke them out. You have clout on the KP side of the border according to your prior posts of being a land owner and feudal. So go raise a laskhaar and deal with the problem directly and quit sending Americans to their deaths. Instead, you will continue to be a chickenhawk and happily send Dan, Barb, Joe and Steve into the meat grinder to do the job that you are unwilling to do yourself.

I can't agree anymore. WTF is he talking about with this place turning to extremism? Obviously this guy posting whatever pics is just a provocateur. If he or anyone else really hate the Taliban or HIG or TTP, am sure the Pakistani army, NATO can use recruits like him. I would respect them a lot more if they did something to rid the place of them.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

For that matter, put your money where your mouth is. If you have a problem with Omar Hotak, Hekmatyaar, and Haqqani, go smoke them out. You have clout on the KP side of the border according to your prior posts of being a land owner and feudal. So go raise a laskhaar and deal with the problem directly and quit sending Americans to their deaths. Instead, you will continue to be a chickenhawk and happily send Dan, Barb, Joe and Steve into the meat grinder to do the job that you are unwilling to do yourself.

That being said, my primary response was to Toramana's idiocy in connecting this joker's posting a bunch of stupid pictures that actually are not proper to post here (or anywhere else for that matter as Islam does not allow gloating or mutilation) to folks who are have expressed religiosity in any form. He is attempting to intimidate folks into clamping down on any expressin of religion and support for forces that want to oust occupiers. Note that one of the first responses condemning the pictures was from Scimitar in asking this individual to understand that this is uncalled for, as uncalled for as American soldiers cutting off the fingers of an Afghan man's dead body and collecting them for trophies. I believe postings like these pictures actually endanger the forum and would ask the poster to refrain from such actions.

[Toramana]

Ahh, once again, you lash out without understanding that folks can hit back with equal and opposite rhetoric. The forum is becoming an outlet for extremists? Perhaps, but of each side; so therefore, it balances out to a moderate forum. I think Admin Khan and others have been very fair and protected each side from the other. I see Shayesta and Paikar trading blows over Massoud and extremism without hindrance from the moderators. David Kross debates freely with us without feeling angst. In fact, cross view friendships have blossomed and mutual respect exists. Secularists like Shlombaay and folks of a different view like myself are becoming fast friends. It is your ridiculous posts that insult people's mothers by calling them camels, question people's nationalities (even though you are a card carrying Pakistani), question people's nassloona and kabaeel (despite the fact that you openly admit you are an incorporated Pashtun historically but owe greater feality to Andarana and its Tajiks as seen here: http://www.pashtunforums.com/hujra-1...lgabari-10575/), insult Islam by calling it camelism, and finally insinuate motives where there are none.

You are becoming marginalized because people see you crying "wolf" again and again. THe forum is becoming a place where people feel comfortable saying what is on their mind in any way they see fit without feeling fear from your absurd accusations. People here want to see infrastructure and not fear mongering like you have offered them. They want results and a place they can go to to feel safe and get help from fellow Pashtuns about important life decisions and viewpoints.

Bottom line Toramana, the Afghans have taken their land back.

You can imagine any wild thing as you want to about my roots/origin...no bar on your imaginative power...

Rest, our posts on this forum amply indicate what are our ideological affiliations---I even give the Mujahid that is on the front out of innocense or ignorance some credit compared to those with hearts and soul throbing for the suicide martyre but bodily lust entangled in the worldly lavishes on the land of the infidel...

I wish the progeny of the Afghans/Pashtuns living in the squalid ghetoes near Rawalpindi also had the "ego" to boast of the privileged birth in a post-modern country....

And hahaha...There was this infamous ISI spy who used to take secualr-liberal persons along when he and MMA (Mutahida Majlisai Amal) politicians would meet American officials to give them the impression that despite their extremist appearance, Mullahs are very tolerant...so much for this secular facade.

Please also keep Mullah Ummars, Gulbuddins, Haqqanis, Mujahids, Ghazis, etc. to that side on the land that you have reclaimed...Finally I have realised it is far more comfortable to live with/under an enlightened Aitezaz Ahsan than some dark-hearted Mullah Ummar.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

You can imagine any wild thing as you want to about my roots/origin...no bar on your imaginative power...

Rest, our posts on this forum amply indicate what are our ideological affiliations---I even give the Mujahid that is on the front out of innocense or ignorance some credit compared to those with hearts and soul throbing for the suicide martyre but bodily lust entangled in the worldly lavishes on the land of the infidel...

I wish the progeny of the Afghans/Pashtuns living in the squalid ghetoes near Rawalpindi also had the "ego" to boast of the privileged birth in a post-modern country....

And hahaha...There was this infamous ISI spy who used to take secualr-liberal persons along when he and MMA (Mutahida Majlisai Amal) politicians would meet American officials to give them the impression that despite their extremist appearance, Mullahs are very tolerant...so much for this secular facade.

Please also keep Mullah Ummars, Gulbuddins, Haqqanis, Mujahids, Ghazis, etc. to that side...Finally I have realised it is far more easy to live with/under an enlightened Aitezaz Ahsan than some dark-hearted Mullah Ummar.

Really that is a very fascinating accusation considering that the thread I posted:

http://www.pashtunforums.com/hujra-1...lgabari-10575/

notes you refer to yourself as 1) of privileged birth of a land owning Pakistani family 2) of a papinkhel subclan that has Tajik ancestory per your own postings on other forums and also shows you support Tajik ascendency within Pakistan 3) being in Canada living an equally privileged life of "body lust" as you did as a feudal in Pakistan ... yet you have the tenacity to comment on Afghan affairs and on what is best for the average Afghan.

So these traits offer us quiet a bit to trust you on.... riiiiight. Try again.

[Toramana]

It is very unfortunate that in any case the poorest of the poors and the innocent and the vulnerable would bear the brunt of all this ego-war...and the war of interests...Who doesn't want to live in absolute freedom?...but is that possible...?

It seems we are bartering one type of perveived slavery (under a govt hated for being pro-West) for another kind of slavery i.e. Punjabi-Arab that would take away from us even our culture...The gullible Pashtun is very addicted to opuim and can go to any place in the name of Islam....

The camelism word I used was the cultural-political hegemony of Arabs disguised as Islam...

I hope that tor_khan wouldn't ban me before I give a final reply to Arab friends i.e. Al-Chemist and Edge...

[BarakzaiAbdali]

It is very unfortunate that in any case the poorest of the poors and the innocent and the vulnerable would bear the brunt of all this ego-war...and the war of interest...Who doesn't want to live in absolute freedom...but is that possible...

It seems we are bartering one type of slavery (under a govt poresumably installed by the West and that is why so much hated by the Islamists) for another kind of slavery i.e. Punjabi-Arab that would take away from us even our culture...The gullible Pashtun is very addicted to opuim and can go to any place in the name of Islam....

The camelism word I used was the cultural-political hegemony of Arabs disguised as Islam...

I hope that tor_khan wouldn't ban me before I give a final reply to Arab friends i.e. Al-Chemist and Edge...

Ah yes, the Toramana algorithm: if point A does not work let me insert B which is to use key adjectives (like presumably) when talking about things I like and want to stay around and utilize other words (slavery) in connection with groups of people I have expressed open racism towards (using camelism).... yet I will post on other forums backing a people who raped our own in Mazar e Sharif under Dostum's Gilam Jamaan.

http://www.rawa.org/pushtun2.htm

Unlike you sitting in your plantation in Pakistan, only now seeing the reverberations of warfare, chewing on sugar cane, and talking about paper states that wont exist, now 3 generations of Afghans can tell stories about who was shot, who was beat senseless, and who was raped. We do not need your brand of freedom. Fix your own house as I requested you do. You have the power and you claim to have the lands... go grab Achekzai saib, learn to shoot straight, and deal with Omar, Hekmetyar, and Siraj uddin.

[Alchemist]

I feel sorry for these soldiers coming back home in their coffins. Some of them are as young as 17 years old. Funny, how they are not allowed to drink alcohol until they are 21 but they can join the army at 16.

Worse off are the living, who come back with all sorts of psychological problems. Some thing like a 200+ soldiers commit suicide in a year and the rate keeps raising. Majority of the veteran soldiers, about 70,000, suffer from a host of sicknesses that develop as a result of handling radioactive armaments.


Depleted Uranium Death Toll among US War Veterans Tops 11,000


p.s toramana, there is no finality to your reply, as there has never been an beginning to it. You've been chanting the same mantra in over a 1000 posts...even if you flip the cassette to Side B I am pretty sure it will be the same...not ...worth....the....effort....and no one is holding their breath in suspense.

[darwezkhail]

You guys I think mohamed might really be Toramana because if you pay attention to mohamed's posts he uses the same font color and size as Toramana.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

You guys I think mohamed might really be Toramana because if you pay attention to mohamed's posts he uses the same font color and size as Toramana.

Well, this may very well be as he has shown a proclivity to post on other forums as well, including Tajik ones. If you visit that site that I linked to, note that he is the only "Tajik/crypto Pashtun" that cannot speak a word of Dari... and claims links to Pakistan. This really narrows down the field of candidates as to who this Pakistani Tajik might be because I have not found a single Tajik when I go to Nau Raaz get togethers, that claims Pakistani nationality. The forum posters at the Tajik site themselves appear to suspect his presence and initiate a discussion bashing Pakistan.

[Toramana]

I think the good thing would be we volunteer to be investgated by FBI, CIA, or any other agency, which should determine the real identities and ideological association of those posting things here.

Should we go ahead and contact them?

[Toramana]

Ok yar...Now BarakzaiAbdali is hell-bent proving me a non-Pashtun...There are few Pashtun nationalists like me ever born...hahaha