What do you guys think of Iran?

[شمله ور خراساني]

I havent come across it but strangely you have.
Though I have spent a decade reading Islamic eschatology from only the Sihai Sitta.



One Al Hajar againsta the multitude of the Ulema saying Najd is in Saudia. Taking Asqalani to be true is how you deal with things > instead of taking ijmaa take the exception. Is this the right way?



Never bragged, but said I study Genetics when you said you knew more about DNA than me. And it was I who went to the Medical University.




A personal attack, how very typical. The only weapon I am guessing left with you by this time. However, I do not attack personally.




I dont copy paste like someone here famous for that .
As for being from:



They are present in the Sihahi Sitta, you claim to be the religious scholar, go check them out in there and let us know where exactly they are.

Thanx.

Oh please, you know the 6 books, right? And you know who Ibn Hajar is? What kind of Ijma of what kind of scholars? After Ibn Hajar's tafsir of the hadith there is no doubt about it. The subject is only braught up recently because the grave-worshippers and magicians were unhappy to see that the students of Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab At Tamimi succesfully eradicated the practice of idol-worshipping from the Arabian Peninsula.

If you have never came across the hadith in praise of Banu Tamim, it means you have never studied Sahih Muslim.

Abu Hurairah, may Allah be pleased with him, reported:
Ever since I heard three things from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) my love for Banu Tamim has never declined (and these things are): I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying about them that they would put up stout resistance against Al-Dajjal among my Ummah. And he (the narrator) said: (When) the consignment of charity was brought to him, Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: This is the Charity of our people. There was one female-slave in the house of 'A'ishah and she was from the tribe of Banu Tamim; thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Set her free, for she is from the offspring of Ishmael.
Hadith number in Sahih Muslim [Arabic only]: 4587

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Khattak,

Did you know there is a sahih Hadith praising Banu Tamim to be the tribe to be the fearest in their battle against Dajjal?

And did you know Ibn Hajar al Asqalani gave tafsir of the hadith regarding Najd saying it refers to what is now Iraq?


It's so sad to see someone go online bragging to be a medical doctor who makes a total fool of himself copying and pasting from Sufi grave-worshippers propaganda websites.

That is a clear insult to a Member of this forum. If you want to go personel i can write a whole paragraph against you Mr sanger, You are making members here very against you. Maybe its your Tajik side that has something against Pashtuns and whatever they beleive in.

Sangar...Are you a member of ANjum Chaundrys Salafist Group.


Let me give you an example of your salafist coward hipocrites, you ever heard of omar bakri???

hahahah the coward arab wanted to run to UK when Israel attacked Hezbullah, also tell me where was your Salafist worriors when lebenon got attacked??? who fought? it was the Shias who did, while your Wahabist Salafist backward twisted Arab desert bedions were relaxing with their 20some wives in their palaces, it was others fighting Israel.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Oh please, you know the 6 books, right? And you know who Ibn Hajar is? What kind of Ijma of what kind of scholars? After Ibn Hajar's tafsir of the hadith there is no doubt about it. The subject is only braught up recently because the grave-worshippers and magicians were unhappy to see that the students of Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab At Tamimi succesfully eradicated the practice of idol-worshipping from the Arabian Peninsula.

If you have never came across the hadith in praise of Banu Tamim, it means you have never studied Sahih Muslim.

Abu Hurairah, may Allah be pleased with him, reported:
Ever since I heard three things from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) my love for Banu Tamim has never declined (and these things are): I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying about them that they would put up stout resistance against Al-Dajjal among my Ummah. And he (the narrator) said: (When) the consignment of charity was brought to him, Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: This is the Charity of our people. There was one female-slave in the house of 'A'ishah and she was from the tribe of Banu Tamim; thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Set her free, for she is from the offspring of Ishmael.
Hadith number in Sahih Muslim [Arabic only]: 4587

Ha ha ha Sanger you truely do feel very spritually higher than us all. I bet you will one day think you are a Saint hahaha! does it give you a High quating all these texts trying to make us all look dumb??? asif we really give a damme lol! You wait till the oil is over, we will see what resources will peddle wahabism and salafism. Salafists such as Omar Bakri r a great example of their cowards

[شمله ور خراساني]

If you want to go personel i can write a whole paragraph against you Mr sanger,

Darling, 90% of your posts on this forum evolve around my personality and what I say here.

Believe me, I am not bothered. For all I care you write a whole book. In fact you should write a book about me.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Ha ha ha Sanger you trying to make us all look dumb???

No effort of mine is necessary to make you look dumb. You are doing a great job yourself.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Darling, 90% of your posts on this forum evolve around my personality and what I say here.

Believe me, I am not bothered. For all I care you write a whole book. In fact you should write a book about me.

Sangar................Neighter Am i bothered.

But why is your Afghan Taliban sending jirqa to release a Punjabi ISI col Imam???? you still not answer this?

You are more pakistani than me! loose the closket Anti Pakistanism man!

We all know you peddle ISI Ideas.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

No effort of mine is necessary to make you look dumb. You are doing a great job yourself.

Oh really....Whenever i read your comments, I watch a video of Anjum Chaundry and then it assures me how truely retarded salafists truely are.

[Khushal Khan Khattak]

Maybe its your Tajik side that has something against Pashtuns and whatever they beleive in.

Sangar...Are you a member of ANjum Chaundrys Salafist Group.


Let me give you an example of your salafist coward hipocrites, you ever heard of omar bakri???

hahahah the coward arab wanted to run to UK when Israel attacked Hezbullah, also tell me where was your Salafist worriors when lebenon got attacked??? who fought? it was the Shias who did, while your Wahabist Salafist backward twisted Arab desert bedions were relaxing with their 20some wives in their palaces, it was others fighting Israel.

No effort of mine is necessary to make you look dumb. You are doing a great job yourself.

Would you two just stop attacking each other personally!!!!

God!!!

Look lets just post and debate without getting down to personal details and beliefs and usage of abuses and bad words.

Thanx !!!

[imb706]

Oh god....Khazars are not jewish by blood, majority of jews today are Khazars, they are like the Jewish version of Salafism. Radical, Cruel etc and not of any pure blood.

lul, wut. Conspiracy theorist have bizarre "logic."

Instead of people voicing their opinions on Iran, this thread got hijacked by someone who can barely read and write propagating stupid conspiracy theories. XD

However ~20% of the Ashkenazi have DNA that has semitic traits! How? These once Central Asian and later Eastern European Mongol tribes converted to Judaism by preachers from Babylonia, Persia, Central Asian and modern day Afghanistan and Pakistani Jews around 700-1200 AD. In some cases, the real Jews (Sephardic = Babylonia, Persia, Central Asian and modern day Afghanistan and Pakistani) even married the Askhenazi. Hence the DNA occurance. "The simplest technique to prove Askhenazi are White Mongols and not Semitic is that Sephardics and Arabs have Black/Brown hair and Brown eyes & tan complexion, The Askenazi dont. Rather, like the Turks and Eastern Europeans, they have blond/red hair, green/blue eyes and are very fair/pale. The Israelites were not White pale people". As for history, one the most famous of Sephardic Rabbis/ scholars of Mishna and Halaka etc. was the Muslim Spains Jewish Prime Minister, who travelled recieved a letter from the king of the converted Jews, the Khazars where the king write down his family tree that show his descent from Japheth Not Shem.

Well, I am no expert on Israeli citizen's DNA traits, but I'm more inclined to accept the findings and results of geneticist than well, some people on a forum. No offense of course, but anything can be said on a website's message board. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazar#..._of_Ashkenazim

Nevertheless, in the Arab world the Khazar theory still enjoys popularity among some anti-Zionists[24] and antisemites;[43] Such proponents argue that if Ashkenazi Jews are primarily Khazar and not Semitic in origin, they would have no historical claim to Israel, nor would they be the subject of God's Biblical promise of Canaan to the Israelites, thus undermining the theological basis of both Jewish religious Zionists and Christian Zionists. In the 1970s and 80s the Khazar theory was also advanced by some Russian chauvinist antisemites, particularly the historian Lev Gumilyov, who portrayed "Judeo-Khazars" as having repeatedly sabotaged Russia's development since the 7th century.[44] Bernard Lewis stated in 1999: This theory… is supported by no evidence whatsoever. It has long since been abandoned by all serious scholars in the field, including those in Arab countries, where the Khazar theory is little used except in occasional political polemics.[24] The Israeli historian Shlomo Sand explored the theme of the Khazar ancestry of the Ashkenazi Jews in his controversial book The Invention of the Jewish People, first published in 2008.[45][46] Sand claims that Israeli historians have marginalized the thesis of Khazar ancestry, and points out that from 1951 to the present, not a single historical work on the Khazars has been published in Hebrew.[47] Some historians have criticised the quality of Sand's research; Simon Schama, in his review of Sand's book, writes: "to argue that the entirety of Ashkenazi Jewry must necessarily descend from the Khazars is to make precisely the uncritical claim of uninterrupted genealogy Sand is eager to dispute in the wider context of Jewish history.[48] Anita Shapira wrote "Sand bases his arguments on the most esoteric and controversial interpretations, while seeking to undermine the credibility of important scholars by dismissing their conclusions without bringing any evidence to bear."[49] [edit] DNA Evidence A 1999 study by Hammer et al., published in the Proceedings of the United States National Academy of Sciences compared the Y chromosomes of Ashkenazi, Roman, North African, Kurdish, Near Eastern, Yemenite, and Ethiopian Jews with 16 non-Jewish groups from similar geographic locations. It found that "Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level... The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora."[50] According to Nicholas Wade "The results accord with Jewish history and tradition and refute theories like those holding that Jewish communities consist mostly of converts from other faiths, or that they are descended from the Khazars, a medieval Turkish tribe that adopted Judaism."[51] A 2001 study by Nebel et al. found Haplogroup R1a chromosomes (called Eu 19 in the paper), which are very frequent in Eastern European populations (54%-60%), at elevated frequency (12.7%) in Ashkenazi Jews. The authors hypothesized that these chromosomes could reflect low-level gene flow into Ashkenazi populations from surrounding Eastern European populations, or, alternatively, that both the Ashkenazi Jews in Haplogroup R1a, and to a greater extent all Eastern European populations in general, might have some partial Khazar ancestry.[52] A 2003 study of the Y-chromosome by Behar et al. found that among Ashkenazi Levites, who comprise approximately 4% of Ashkenazi Jews, the prevalence of Haplogroup R1a1 was over 50%. This haplogroup is uncommon in other Jewish groups, but found in high frequencies in eastern European populations. They argued that "it is likely that the event leading to a high frequency of R1a1 NRYs within the Ashkenazi Levites involved very few, and possibly only one, founding father." They postulated that one likely source of the gene was a "a founder(s) of non-Jewish European ancestry, whose descendents were able to assume Levite status", and that an alternate "attractive source would be the Khazarian Kingdom, whose ruling class is thought to have converted to Judaism in the 8th or 9th century." The concluded that "[a]lthough neither the NRY haplogroup composition of the majority of Ashkenazi Jews nor the microsatellite haplotype composition of the R1a1 haplogroup within Ashkenazi Levites is consistent with a major Khazar or other European origin, as has been speculated by some authors (Baron 1957; Dunlop 1967; Ben-Sasson 1976; Keys 1999), one cannot rule out the important contribution of a single or a few founders among contemporary Ashkenazi Levites."[53] A 2005 study by Nebel et al., based on Y chromosome polymorphic markers, showed that Ashkenazi Jews are more closely related to other Jewish and Middle Eastern groups than to their local neighbouring populations in Europe. However, 11.5% of male Ashkenazim were found to belong to Haplogroup R1a1 (R-M17), the dominant Y chromosome haplogroup in Eastern Europeans, suggesting possible gene flow between the two groups. The authors hypothesized that "R-M17 chromosomes in Ashkenazim may represent vestiges of the mysterious Khazars". They concluded "However, if the R-M17 chromosomes in Ashkenazi Jews do indeed represent the vestiges of the mysterious Khazars then, according to our data, this contribution was limited to either a single founder or a few closely related men, and does not exceed ~ 12% of the present-day Ashkenazim.[54]

[tor_khan]

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Poor formatting. Not really willing to read any of that.

[imb706]

Um...good for you?

[tor_khan]

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ته سره به څوک مازغه خلاص کښی؟

[imb706]

No offense, but such responses just conjure up a mighty yawn from me. It's like those people who find something they don't like on the internet, and then post that "they don't care" yet cared enough to post about it in the first place XD

[tor_khan]

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Oh no ... we're headed for another one. You obviously cared enough (yourself) to react. So go ahead, yawn away.

Rhetorical question - more a thinking point so I'm not actually looking for an answer - when you say "No offence", do you mean it or is it a way of beginning a sarcastic remark?

I just pointed out the poor formatting. Clearly you were irritated by that. Won't pursue it.

[imb706]

Oh come on, you can try harder than that.