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  • #16
    Originally posted by Aseer Jaan
    Sorry for me being a bit late, I had a Math final(topology).

    Just think a bit harder, or ask someone to help narrate what I type. I believe I am very clear with what I say, and that is that you are a hypocrite.
    Now would you agree that we should allow every Pashtun to have a comfy chair like yours, the same chair that you have in a secular country. We have obviously seen that your comfy chair is not available in a fundamentalist Islamic government. There is a reason why you ran to the west, there is an obvious reason behind it. Most of it has to do with that opportunity they have to offer you and those opportunity are reaped from the same secular government that you pay taxes too. We could only imagine the founding fathers implementing a Islamic shariah in the USA, it would have been a **** hole like Kohat or Kandahar, if that would have happened. Since they choose to seperate church and state, they even convinced Wrayun to immigrate to the land of kaffirs.
    They might not want it, because people like you never allowed them to experience it. Everyone is brainwashed into believing that following his or her sect is the path to God and that other sects are no good. Teach them more about secularism, and lessen up the Madrasa and you will see they will all be online for secularism.
    Wrayun, I am against foreign aggression. Foreign aggression and foreign forces are 2 different concepts. I don't have nothing to explain to Akbar Khan who is another Kandahari hypocrite, who also lives in London, wants Taliban yet he himself can't live a single day under their reign. Maiwand lives in Holland, yet he himself refuses to live in Wardag province. Unknownprince is born in the USA, never seen a street in Kandahar, yet he wants Taliban style government. I am against the war which has tortured people but at the same time I am happy since they have showed the world who are our enemy is.

    Lulz. I have spent many years back home wrora, I am just a bit more open minded and I am not a hypocrite. I have seen people like you live in secular countries yet your type doesn't want them to have it. That is my biggest problem, you are not even allowing them to experience it. You assume that it's not good for them. I haven't forgotten your dramatic entrance to PF in which you challenged secularism. You are against secularism yet you live in a country that is founded on secular ideals. That is the hypocrisy wrayun, wake up and smell air. You want fundamentalism and shuttle cock burqas for them, yet your self live in a country of nude beaches.

    Do you even know what secularism is? Have you ever read the constitution? Wrayun, read the constitution of the USA and compare it the constitution of Afghanistan. Let me know what the differences are.

    Of course you need to visit Arghandab, where Mullah Omar akhond resides and nearby Mosques in Arghandab since they have a lot more information about the movement. They are the leaders of that movement that killed your relatives. I am sorry for your loss.

    You are more dumber that I had thought initially. How in the world do you expect war torn Afghanistan to gain economic revenue without the assistance of other nations? I understand you are a college drop out but a basic economic course does not hurt. A land-locked nation like Afghanistan is dependent on Pakistan, Iran or it's thousand mile away nations. We can fight our own wars like we have but we don't want to be kept backward by Islamic extremists.

    So what about Turkey? You see your logic is full of holes. It reminds of a chapter in a calculus. Just because Afghanistan is Muslim means it can not have secularism? While I give you coffee look up Turkey.

    Aseer Jan Wrorre, for those of us born here it is not about comfy arm chairs and Taliban alone. It becomes more complex in the eyes of an American born Pashtoon. We grow up with guys like Matthew Hoh, a decorated vet and an ardent secularist and pro American and according to this Nation article here are his credentials:

    He has impeccable establishment credentials. From 2004 to 2007 he served first as a Defense Department civilian on a reconstruction team and then as a Marine company commander in Iraq. In 2009 he was the State Department’s senior representative in Afghanistan’s Zabul province and political officer in Nangarhar province, areas of fierce fighting against the Taliban insurgency. But in September 2009 he resigned his post to protest the war.

    He, a non-Pashtoon and a non Afghan, with no interest to stake in terms of secularists vs religionists vs Pashtoons vs Tajiks, states the following:

    "Question: What about your second issue, about the Taliban being the only cause of instability and conflict in Afghanistan?
    Matthew Hoh: History tells a different story. The conflict is very complex, multi-dimensional and goes back three decades. In 2001–02 we installed a government in Kabul headed by Karzai. In doing this, we backed one side in a long civil war—the more progressive-secular and urban camp, Tajiks, Uzbeks and Hazaras, and some Pashtuns and those who live in the north and west. But it excluded one-third of Afghans, the rural, religious, traditional camp, who are Pashtuns in the south and east—which include the Taliban—whose forerunners we backed in 1980s, against the Soviets.
    So we create a government that rewards one side and excludes the other."

    The rest of the article is here:
    http://www.thenation.com/article/157...talks?page=0,0
    Why is that Matthew can see this but you cannot even though you lived there? I visited there every year and it was not at all lost on me that the locals were not all pro secularists. In fact the majority were simple farmers and village folks who had lived the same way their ancestors did for centuries with a view modern conveniences introduced.

    Can you explain to us where Matthew is wrong and where you disagree with him?

    He even addresses the bogey about how the war must be fought to protect Americans and their interests and the presence of Al Qaeda:

    "Question: You say the war is misguided. Why?
    Mathew Hoh: Americans always see what’s happening in a first-person story—how it affects our national interests—not underlying causes, who the players are, or why a country is unstable. We think the problem in Afghanistan is Al Qaeda or the Taliban. But they’re not the reasons why Afghans are fighting each other. The old, real issues must be resolved."

    Moreover 2/3 of our fellow Americans are chafing and no longer support the war in Afghanistan. People like Hilary Clinton attempted to reverse this trend by stating that people heard the question in a way that biases it and it ought to be: "what if this war was about protecting you and your loved ones, would you still want in?" However, as Hoh points out this meandering line of reasoning is even more misguided.

    It is unethical for us to support our fellow Americans' foreign prescence there because that would make us fifth column citizens, with loyalties not to our adopted country, but to an outside cause that may not bear good sweet fruit for the US.

    Our fellow Pashtoons back home, be they secularists, communists, agnostics, atheists, Taliban, sufis, wahaabis should have to solve their own problems and not get a simple town guy named Bob from Arkanasas involved in his lengthy historical dilemmas.

    I am not at all trying to antagonize you, but how ethical do you feel about having some poor American born and raised boy having to leave his wife and family go and die for a war that you should be fighting in instead of him?

    We, as American born Pashtoons cannot do that to Matthew Hoh. We grew up with him and do not want to see him die in some foreign land to solve the problems that others ought to be solving themselves.
    Last edited by BarakzaiAbdali; 12-21-2010, 01:34 PM.
    "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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    • #17
      some people are just brainwashed

      seculerism for afghanistan=joke of the century

      Afghanistan is a muslim cuntry so stop bringing your imp[erialist corruption to it.

      is israel a seculer democracy?

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Luffy View Post
        Wrayun how dare you insult aseer lala, he is a kandahari, superior breed of pashtuns.
        I support his secularism because i want to see afghan beauty in skirts and jeans.
        offcourse and you want to see europeans come for sex tourism and for pedofieli so you can make money right?

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