Like Nazism, Islamofascism too must be confronted, says Canadian Muslim group

[Alchemist]

This is just like a magic show.
The magician always uses distractions, like the pretty assistant to lure the gaze of the viewers away from himself.

In this case, as of late Israel has been compared with Nazism because of it's check points, attacks on the flotilla, and massacre of Phalistinans in Gaza just earlier this year. So neoconservatives, and all jewish owened media are now trying to disassociate the link by, once again, by introducing "islamofacism". Islamo? Really? Islam has been around for over 1400 + years and fascism just sprung its head some 50 years ago during godless europe's attempt at "Socialization" (godlessness) . Suddenly the two have combined forces and turned into some kind of mutant monster called islamofacism? It doesn't make sense.

What our Young Paranoid Pashtuns (YPP= mi6, begam, toromana etc) don't know is that the key word in Fascism is RACISM!

From marriam webster's dictionary:


Definition of FASCISM

1
often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

2
: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early instances of army fascism and brutality — J. W. Aldridge>



Fascism test:

Does Islam promote dictatorship? No
Does Islam give preference to race? No
Is "Islam" a political philosophy, regime or movement? No
Is Islam even based on Nationalism? No

Is Israel based on racism? Yes
Is Zionism a political philosophy, movement or regime? Yes
Is Israel an apartheid state? Yes

Ergo Islam is not fascism.

Now quote all you want YPP but this is pure simple logic.
Do you like watching cooking shows? I love Gordon Ramsey. The secret to having good recipes is making it simple. Don't try to get too clever and add banana to chicken or put chocolet sauce with prawn! OK?


There is something you don't understand about monotheism. Maybe you do understand it but still resent that it is so. Monotheistic religions, because they confer sovereignty to Allah do not accept the sovereignty of others. It is this fact alone that has haunted Kufars for ever. It is always the Pharohs of society, the malak, the well off aristocrates, that don't want to accept the fact that human beings are equal before Allah and only exceed one another in their devotion to Him. Fascism, like it was for Mousilini, Nazis of germany and communism of China and Russia are based on materialism. Materialism dictates that humans are no different than objects and that they can be used and discarded like objects too. Your beautiful computer, your nice dress, the chair you sit on, the tooth brush you use, the keyboard you write on was made by the enslavement of thousands of chinese who live like rats in institutions that are worse than prison. For all you know that cell phone you carry was probably made by some chinese worker that dropped from exhaustion. Yet YPP can only whine about the indians who live in comparably more decent..no scratch that, relatively more upscale conditions then the chinese. The phalistinans in gaza number in one million, they don't have toilet paper, running water, food to eat or even work to do because there is a blockade put on by israel but for some reason those philistinans, who are muslims and support hamas, are the fascists?

Really? Wtf? WTTTTFFFF???????

[Alchemist]

come to think of it

YPP is fascist since they are nationalistic and racist!


Oh snap!

[BarakzaiAbdali]

My pan-Islamist/Islamofascist friend, I can guess very well what in the article I posted itched you that you came up with such a prompt response...Yes, tt is the reference to Mulsim brotherhood and Jumat-i-Islami (Akhwanul Muslimin), which you have strongly indicated your inclinations towards that provoked you into responding...

Nevertheless, as for comparison of Islmo-fascism with Nazi movement, there are striking similarities between the two; one believed in the supremacy of Germans as a super-race while the other believes in Muslims being God's only chosen people (super religious community); and both consider using force, oppression, and violence appropriate to force other people into submission to their ideolohy...Rather, Muslims (extremists, Islamofascists) are more dangerous because they consider the right to bring other lands under the fold of Islam with sword to be divinely granted ...

You have quoted that source a dozen times...Below is something more authentic about fascism...

"I think yes. The most obvious points of comparison would be these: Both movements are based on a cult of murderous violence that exalts death and destruction and despises the life of the mind. ("Death to the intellect! Long live death!" as Gen. Francisco Franco's sidekick Gonzalo Queipo de Llano so pithily phrased it.) Both are hostile to modernity (except when it comes to the pursuit of weapons), and both are bitterly nostalgic for past empires and lost glories. Both are obsessed with real and imagined "humiliations" and thirsty for revenge. Both are chronically infected with the toxin of anti-Jewish paranoia (interestingly, also, with its milder cousin, anti-Freemason paranoia). Both are inclined to leader worship and to the exclusive stress on the power of one great book. Both have a strong commitment to sexual repression—especially to the repression of any sexual "deviance"—and to its counterparts the subordination of the female and contempt for the feminine. Both despise art and literature as symptoms of degeneracy and decadence; both burn books and destroy museums and treasures. "


http://www.slate.com/id/2176389/

As I predicted, your low level intelligence response is backed by an equally low level intelligence response from another individual. Christopher Hitchens? The same Hitchens that has been debunked left and right and has absolutely no anti terror credentials to his name. The same Hitchens who Galloway marvelously swept the floor with?

Regarding quoting Scheuer multiple times, an actual anti terror expert who gave 2 sitting presidents 6 chances to kill Osama Bin Ladin, I think you ought to learn a thing or two about the impact factor of your source. Your statement is like telling a cardiologist, you always quote the premier Cardiologist Eric Topol's studies and you only rely on the New England Journal. So what? As opposed to you turning to Hitchens? I would have even respected you turning to Bernard Lewis, but you proved how inept you are to the audience. Its like you quoted the equivalent of Homeopathic Medicine Journal and then stated you have a point.

Its actually good, because now folks on here recognize you for what you are, which is a two bit hack, motivated by dogma and not evidence. You may very well be on the payroll of someone and likely have some involvement in Operation Enduring Freedom. What is certain is that you are very comfortable having innocent Americans fight your war for you while you sit back, in cowardice, unable to do a single thing as a man ought to for his own cause.

Your idiocy stems from the fact that Scheuer and Bergen and others, as well as the PI's running the massively powered University of Maryland study have advocated turning to the primary sources to determine what motivates these people: their own words. If you take all of OBL's speeches, you get about 1-2% of material that talks about Caliphate, with the obvious tacticians understanding that this is a pipe dream. The factions tend to unite to throw out an invader or US sponsered dictator and then attack eachother immediatly when the job is done (a good case study of this is the Afghan-Russian War itself). Its usually intellectually inadequate folks like you and Raymond Ibrahim that compile the 1-2% of interviews that talks about the pipe dream of a global caliphate and makes it appear like its a 98% thing.

The actual remaining 98% of the material that is PRIMARY, the interviews of AQ and Talib officials reflects exactly what Scheuer and Ron Paul amongst others note: It is what we do that inflames the insurgencies and creates blow back in the Muslim world.

An excellent proof of this is the U&M study I cited in the Lindsey Graham bases thread. Most Muslims world wide admire the American ability to provide education and structure in their country. However the overwhelming majority of those countries provide manpower for these movements because of the interventionalism narrative that Al Qaeda seizes upon.

Unlike you, and unlike Hitchens, we prefer to look at the primary evidence. As an exercise, let us turn to the actual text of what the Swedish bomber wrote that MOTIVATED him. It matters not whether he is right or wrong, what matters is that he thinks this to be the case:

Here are his words of this fellow who did this act in Sweden. Notice that not a single word is mentioned about forcing the burqah on a woman or erecting a caliphate. Instead it all focuses on interventionalism in the Muslim world:

"So will your children, daughters, brothers and sisters die, like our brothers, sister and children die. Now the Islamic state has been created. We now exist here in Europe and in Sweden. We are a reality … Our actions will speak for themselves." Speaking with an English accent, Abdaly also warned that the "Islamic state" had begun to "fulfil its promises" and that the oppression of Muslims "will not be tolerated".

""The battle of Stockholm is the start of a new era in our jihad, when Europe will become the arena for our battles."

The telegraph wrote the following about his habits:
"Abdulwahab was political on his Facebook site, following the movements of US troops in his homeland, Iraq."

From CNN:
The sender referred to Swedish silence regarding the Afghanistan troops and the controversial cartoon by Lars Vilks that depicted Mohammed as having the body of a dog.
"Now your children, daughters and sisters will die like our brothers and sisters and children are dying," the e-mail states, according to TT.

Yahoo News writes:
"Shortly before the blasts, the Swedish news agency TT received a threatening email with an attached sound recording criticizing Sweden's deployment of troops in the NATO-led force in Afghanistan, as well as caricatures of the Prophet Mohammad by a Swedish artist that angered Muslims in 2007."

Most ominously, and perhaps the most decisive blow to your utterly lacking argument that it was Islamo fasicm that motivated this individual are these ending words of his:

"Our actions will speak for themselves," the person said in an audio recording. 'As long as you don't end your war against Islam and the humiliation against the prophet and with your stupid support to Lars Vilks the pig.'"

He makes it clear in the quote that his actions are tied to what he perceives is a war on Islam and added denigration on to of it. He even appears to make his actions conditional and indicates that there is a possiblity of his halting should the opposing side halt.

In essence, he appears to view the Muslim world as a rape or domestic violence victim with the various occupants being the two King Abdullahs, previously Saddam and now Maliki, Karzai, Musharraf and now Zardari and he views the cartoons as the equivalent of telling the victim of the crime that she ought to smile a little more while she is experiencing the crime.

It matters not a lick or wit whether these accusations are true or not, what matters is that these folks see history playing out this way. The issue is that your idiotic labeling, without primary source evidence, of their movement as Islamo Facist is an obvious attempt to silence the debate itself. It merely blinds the Western World from waking up and understanding the brutality of the war that lies ahead or ending interventionalist policies that puts them in the utterly ludicrous position of energy dependency and of having to go to war of their oil flow is threatened in obscure places like the Gulf of Guinea.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

pashtoons dont know a lot of things that I know. LOL.

Pashtoons know what islam is, those that have followed the deobandi,,salafi version (only 30-40 year old) are following a fascist ideology, however pashtoons have united for loot and plunder under Islam many a times before. However now such a living is not productive and I am against it for pure economic reasons.

Actually it appears that you know very little from what yiou promote. As I noted, you, Toramana, M16 and others ought to be willing to strap on your M16s or AKs and be put in cage match with Mullah Omar and his folks. It should have to be you fighting these wars instead of some poor Kentuckian who has no idea why he has to be shipped to the other side of the world, to fight a war that his government could easily have avoided.

Quiet contrary to Toramana's accusation of me being a Pan Islamist, I prefer the title an American Firster. That means that I refuse to put adopted country men in harms way so that some innocent boy from Tennessee can go kill an equally innocent boy from Sher e Surkh. I prefer not to be a fifth column citizen in the manner of Toramana.

If you have a problem with these folks, go out and solve it on your own time, with your own money, and face them like men ought to.

[Baygham]

^^I don't think Churchill serves as person to speak on Islam considering his life and his state's colonial history. MCC btw is that the one that belongs to Tarek Fatah?

being the person who divied up the middle east into Iraq, jordan and syria in 1921, he is exactly the person, look at what he wrote about the salafi's then, he even did not like the idea of mecca and madina falling into salafi hands and predicted almost the subsequent chaos. I am impressed.

In 1899 on the war in Sudan he writes:

"Fanaticism is not a cause of war. It is the means which helps savage peoples to fight. It is the spirit which enables them to combine - the great common object before which all personal or tribal disputes become insignificant. What the horn is to the rhinoceros, what the sting is to the wasp, the Mohammedan faith was to the Arabs of the Soudan - a faculty of offence or defence."

In Chapter Two, Churchill stated: "All the warlike operations of Mohammedan peoples are characterised by fanaticism" and in its third chapter he observed: "After the fall of Khartoum and the retreat of the British armies the Mahdi became the absolute master of the Soudan. Whatever pleasures he desired he could command, and, following the example of the founder of the Mohammedan faith, he indulged in what would seem to Western minds gross excesses. He established an extensive harem for his own peculiar use, and immured therein the fairest captives of the war."


In 1921 he said about the Salafi/wahabis of saudia.
"A large number of Bin Saud's followers belong to the Wahabi sect, a form of Mohammedanism which bears, roughly speaking, the same relationship to orthodox Islam as the most militant form of Calvinism would have borne to Rome in the fiercest times of [Europe's] religious wars.

The Wahhabis profess a life of exceeding austerity, and what they practice themselves they rigorously enforce on others. They hold it as an article of duty, as well as of faith, to kill all who do not share their opinions and to make slaves of their wives and children. Women have been put to death in Wahhabi villages for simply appearing in the streets.

It is a penal offence to wear a silk garment. Men have been killed for smoking a cigarette and, as for the crime of alcohol, the most energetic supporter of the temperance cause in this country falls far behind them. Austere, intolerant, well-armed, and blood-thirsty, in their own regions the Wahhabis are a distinct factor which must be taken into account, and they have been, and still are, very dangerous to the holy cities of Mecca and Medina.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

One last thing Toramana, it appears you lack an even basic understanding of Islamic theology. The Quran actually refers to the Bani Israel as Gods chosen people (in regard to being chosen for a message). Muslims are advised again and again in the hadith to not be like their ahle Kitaab brethren in assuming they have some ticket to heaven or secret agreement with God. Rather, it is the Old Testament that confers this genetic right and brain washes the adherents of Orthodox Judaism with the ideology that they are destined to rule a plot of land in the middle east and eventually extend that dominion to the world. It is that level of religious fanaticism that created the the idea that ought to have a certain blood line to be able to attain citizenship in that state. In fact the Quran clearly has ayaahs in it that tell the Muslims of any era that if they are inadequate in governance they will be replaced by those that can offer better.

For that matter, the Christian theology also speaks of creating Christ's Kingdom on Earth. That is exactly why you see the friction between the southern Baptists I grew up around and the secular state regarding even mundane things like the 10 commandments.

This creation of a global kingdom and rule by a single individual is prominant in all 3 of the monotheistic faiths.

Rather, it is only the Quran that makes it apparent that God dictates world divisions himself and allows for the rise and fall of Kingdoms and nation states for the purpose of stability. God himself did not give the whole of the world to the early Caliphs, but like most believers of various faiths, Muslims, Christians, and Jews have a vision of an ideal future where all the world is either dictated by their faith or all the world observes their faith.

"SAY: "O God, Lord of all dominion! Thou grantest dominion unto whom Thou willest, and takest away dominion from whom Thou willest; and Thou exaltest whom Thou willest, and abasest whom Thou willest. In Thy hand is all good. Verily, Thou hast the power to will anything. Quran 3:26"

"He could surely have made you all one single community: but [He willed it otherwise] in order to test you by means of what He has vouchsafed unto, you. 5:67"

"And so they [Israelites] defeated them [Philistines] by Allah's will, and David killed Goliath and Allah gave him kingdom and wisdom, and taught him of that which He wishes. And were Allah not to repulse one people by means of another, the earth would be filled with corruption. Allah, however, is full of compassion for the world. (2:251)"

But as usual, you prefer to make bold sweeping statements based on little if any evidence. I am sure now that you have proven your lack of worth, more folks will start taking your comments less seriously and marginalize your input as it lacks evidence.

[Baygham]

Actually it appears that you know very little from what yiou promote. As I noted, you, Toramana, M16 and others ought to be willing to strap on your M16s or AKs and be put in cage match with Mullah Omar and his folks. It should have to be you fighting these wars instead of some poor Kentuckian who has no idea why he has to be shipped to the other side of the world, to fight a war that his government could easily have avoided.

Quiet contrary to Toramana's accusation of me being a Pan Islamist, I prefer the title an American Firster. That means that I refuse to put adopted country men in harms way so that some innocent boy from Tennessee can go kill an equally innocent boy from Sher e Surkh. I prefer not to be a fifth column citizen in the manner of Toramana.

If you have a problem with these folks, go out and solve it on your own time, with your own money, and face them like men ought to.

In the end this menace is not going to go away. America is and will remain the key in this. If the muslims are to be a menace they will go to the gallows. Now the saudis at the present, though causing enough chaos are more profitable to american corporations than a secular democracy in arabia would be. But their nuisance value is rapidly increasing and by 2030-2050 the oil will have dwindled down along with ever increasing nuisance. This Islam will get resized back to bedouin tents in the subsequent 5-10 years once that equation turns. Allah will watch as he has watched before. And we will adopt some other intoxicating ideology.

We are just engaging in wishfull thinking if all that happened a lot sooner so we get a glimpse of it in our lifetime. May be not.

It will be a lot easier now but the public wants more "tamasha" more evidence, a few more bombs in sweden, norway and other pillars of western tolerance, a few american icons, down, America will listen to churchil then. Only 5 years ago the Brits called him the greatest Brit ever, I hope the rest of the western world looks up what he wrote about this mohammadans.