MI6 (and Luffy and others)

[kunar1990]

because once they have been insulted, denigrated and charmed by "real pashtuns" they will change their ways and shout loy afghanistan!!!



well its worth a shot right?





you mean sub continental muslims, and religion was not the sole reason.

Bul**** sub continental Muslims! And religion was the only reason!

[Orzala]

I think this nteresting issue that I will address here, which arose out of the 'Tajik politician insulting Amanullah,' deserves a seperate topic of its own.

MI6, this is a response specifically to you, but also to Luffy and other "Pakistani" Pashtuns.

MI6 you mentioned that this Azmal guy called you a “rent a Pashtun”? This comment of his says a lot about his ideology and his Afghani Pashtun/Kabuli Mohmadzayee view of you frontier Pashtuns. Do you have any idea about his historical perspective as to why you frontier Pashtuns, especially you Waziris are “rent a Pashtun” in his eyes? He was referring to the time where his ancestor British Lackey Nadir Khan, used your tribe merely as a tool to come to power against Ghazi Amanullah . By the way, feel free to ask yourself, what did your tribe get for all that?

As I said to you from the start, Tajiks have no problem with you, and I support a Pashtunistan consisting of Pashtun lands in Afghanistan and Pakistan. But I don’t want to live with you in the same country, just like you don’t want to live with me. Our people will only have a problem if you try to oppress us in your Loy-Afghanistan, like Punjabis are oppressing you Waziris in Pakistan. I understand you are extremely xenophobic, but you have to use your logic. If you think about it, this “rent a Pashtun” comment of Azmal, reveals a lot about these Afghani Pashtuns/Mohmadzayee Pashtuns and how they see you guys.

These Afghani Pashtuns like Azmal, who at most have 10-12 million of the population of Pashtuns, want you K.P Pashtuns, who have a population of 30 million, to join them, even though you guys have more than double their population! They want K.P to be just another province in their Kabul-Centric Abdali Kingdom, Afghanistan. With Kabul as capital, and Farsi-speaking Abdali Pashtuns as the elite. Ask yourself, shouldn’t it be the other way around? Shouldn’t they join you since you guys are the majority, shouldn’t Afghani Pashtuns join Pashtunistan?

If you were to use your head, you would see these guys see you as merely political tools to win back their lost political hegemony in Afghanistan, against the Tajiks. They see you as nothing more than a political demographical weapon.

If you don’t believe me, ask Azmal, and other “Hawk Nationalists” (to use Toramana definition) if they really are for a Pashtun unity, would they then be prepared to lose and sacrifice the alien lands of the north and west to be with their Pashtun brothers of K.P in a true Pashtunistan? Ask them if blood is thicker than water? With the exception of genuine and pure Pashtun nationalist like Amir Al-Ghaznavi and a few others, who only strive for Pashtun Unity, not one of these Afghani Pashtun "Hawk Natioanlist" will say yes.

Reading this board, it's also blatantly obvious that the much more educated and prominent "Pakistani" Pashtuns, like the Khattacks, Afridis and Mohmands will not be prepared to join Azmal's failed state of Afghanistan and play second fiddle to Kabuli-Abdali Pashtuns.

Oh, so you're the infamous Tajik Khidr I've been hearing of. A pity, you feel inferior to Pashtuns so you think the only way to "win" would be to get the Pashtuns from both sides to go against each other. What a cowardly act. Anyway, if you don't want to live in the same country as my fellow Pashtuns then it is you who needs to be displaced. Before the Durrand Line, they too lived under the name Afghanistan. The reason why many Afghans don't want to leave the land to Tajiks and other ethnic minorities is because we have fought and survived through many invasions and we have a history of 3000 years (or more) to be proud of, why should we hand that over to you so easily, parasite? I hereby declare you nothing more than a hater who should be ignored by me and anyone else who is allergic to bull****.

[parsiwaan]

I think this nteresting issue that I will address here, which arose out of the 'Tajik politician insulting Amanullah,' deserves a seperate topic of its own.

MI6, this is a response specifically to you, but also to Luffy and other "Pakistani" Pashtuns.

MI6 you mentioned that this Azmal guy called you a “rent a Pashtun”? This comment of his says a lot about his ideology and his Afghani Pashtun/Kabuli Mohmadzayee view of you frontier Pashtuns. Do you have any idea about his historical perspective as to why you frontier Pashtuns, especially you Waziris are “rent a Pashtun” in his eyes? He was referring to the time where his ancestor British Lackey Nadir Khan, used your tribe merely as a tool to come to power against Ghazi Amanullah . By the way, feel free to ask yourself, what did your tribe get for all that?

As I said to you from the start, Tajiks have no problem with you, and I support a Pashtunistan consisting of Pashtun lands in Afghanistan and Pakistan. But I don’t want to live with you in the same country, just like you don’t want to live with me. Our people will only have a problem if you try to oppress us in your Loy-Afghanistan, like Punjabis are oppressing you Waziris in Pakistan. I understand you are extremely xenophobic, but you have to use your logic. If you think about it, this “rent a Pashtun” comment of Azmal, reveals a lot about these Afghani Pashtuns/Mohmadzayee Pashtuns and how they see you guys.

These Afghani Pashtuns like Azmal, who at most have 10-12 million of the population of Pashtuns, want you K.P Pashtuns, who have a population of 30 million, to join them, even though you guys have more than double their population! They want K.P to be just another province in their Kabul-Centric Abdali Kingdom, Afghanistan. With Kabul as capital, and Farsi-speaking Abdali Pashtuns as the elite. Ask yourself, shouldn’t it be the other way around? Shouldn’t they join you since you guys are the majority, shouldn’t Afghani Pashtuns join Pashtunistan?

If you were to use your head, you would see these guys see you as merely political tools to win back their lost political hegemony in Afghanistan, against the Tajiks. They see you as nothing more than a political demographical weapon.

If you don’t believe me, ask Azmal, and other “Hawk Nationalists” (to use Toramana definition) if they really are for a Pashtun unity, would they then be prepared to lose and sacrifice the alien lands of the north and west to be with their Pashtun brothers of K.P in a true Pashtunistan? Ask them if blood is thicker than water? With the exception of genuine and pure Pashtun nationalist like Amir Al-Ghaznavi and a few others, who only strive for Pashtun Unity, not one of these Afghani Pashtun "Hawk Natioanlist" will say yes.

Reading this board, it's also blatantly obvious that the much more educated and prominent "Pakistani" Pashtuns, like the Khattacks, Afridis and Mohmands will not be prepared to join Azmal's failed state of Afghanistan and play second fiddle to Kabuli-Abdali Pashtuns.

Kadir,
I ask you a question a few weeks ago, but you ignore it. I honestly don’t understand how could a Shia like you or Ismahili Pedram could represent us Tajiks? You praise pan-islamist and pan-Afghanistan true nationalist Ahmad Shah Massod and forgo his dream, his goal and his idea. Our objective is to create a secular liberal democracy, a society ruled by law and justice for all ...in our constitution must give all political parties…equal right to function…even groups like Afghan Melat...Setamis..even KKK.. freedom of speech and expression must be protected.
The issue of Pashtonistan/Balochistan is critical for Afghanistan survival, I don’t know why you want us to be land lock, poor and in check by our neighbors…with acquisition of Pashtonsitan/Balocistan we will have access to sea port. You stated one thing right…we will never allow to be abused or sideline again…and rest assure we will never be sideline even if another 20 million Pashton join Afghanistan…I have full fate in my culture and language…it with stand the on slate of Arabs with QOrhan in one hand and sword in other… for over 2 centuries the arabs banned Parsi…just as they did in Balad e Sham(Syria, Egypt and.. turned all these regions into Arabs) but not only our language and culture survived…in less then few century parsi become language of caliphate and all Ajam world…from Hindustan to Turkey. Pashtons are our own race…our Iranic brothers…they can never be able to suppress our language/culture…I see a lot of them have learned from the mistake of Nadir-Doud…pashtonization of Afghanistan was a total failure…the road to future is of justice, equality and freedom…we own this to our children.


Ps: Don’t let you hatred blind you so you join hand with religion fanatic and characterless pukistanis. Think of your ethnic, and your national interest.

[Khidr]

Kadir,
I ask you a question a few weeks ago, but you ignore it. I honestly don’t understand how could a Shia like you or Ismahili Pedram could represent us Tajiks? You praise pan-islamist and pan-Afghanistan true nationalist Ahmad Shah Massod and forgo his dream, his goal and his idea. Our objective is to create a secular liberal democracy, a society ruled by law and justice for all ...in our constitution must give all political parties…equal right to function…even groups like Afghan Melat...Setamis..even KKK.. freedom of speech and expression must be protected.
The issue of Pashtonistan/Balochistan is critical for Afghanistan survival, I don’t know why you want us to be land lock, poor and in check by our neighbors…with acquisition of Pashtonsitan/Balocistan we will have access to sea port. You stated one thing right…we will never allow to be abused or sideline again…and rest assure we will never be sideline even if another 20 million Pashton join Afghanistan…I have full fate in my culture and language…it with stand the on slate of Arabs with QOrhan in one hand and sword in other… for over 2 centuries the arabs banned Parsi…just as they did in Balad e Sham(Syria, Egypt and.. turned all these regions into Arabs) but not only our language and culture survived…in less then few century parsi become language of caliphate and all Ajam world…from Hindustan to Turkey. Pashtons are our own race…our Iranic brothers…they can never be able to suppress our language/culture…I see a lot of them have learned from the mistake of Nadir-Doud…pashtonization of Afghanistan was a total failure…the road to future is of justice, equality and freedom…we own this to our children.


Ps: Don’t let you hatred blind you so you join hand with religion fanatic and characterless pukistanis. Think of your ethnic, and your national interest.

LOL Yessss, I'm a "shia" lol wtf? and am "full of blind hatred" and am "a religious fanatic."

Don't be a troll. If you wan't to read my reasoning or any opinions on a specific issue, I have stated it all in my previous posts. I will not repeat myself over and over again for every Tom, **** and Harry.

[Khidr]

Oh, so you're the infamous Tajik Khidr I've been hearing of. A pity, you feel inferior to Pashtuns so you think the only way to "win" would be to get the Pashtuns from both sides to go against each other. What a cowardly act. Anyway, if you don't want to live in the same country as my fellow Pashtuns then it is you who needs to be displaced. Before the Durrand Line, they too lived under the name Afghanistan. The reason why many Afghans don't want to leave the land to Tajiks and other ethnic minorities is because we have fought and survived through many invasions and we have a history of 3000 years (or more) to be proud of, why should we hand that over to you so easily, parasite? I hereby declare you nothing more than a hater who should be ignored by me and anyone else who is allergic to bull****.

It seems I'm making quite an impact around here that you heard about me! lol

By the way, I just wanted to thank you from the 'Pashtun marrying non-Pashtun thread' where you kindly said that you don't want to deport Tajiks and other "minorities" from "your Afghanistan" because of your Mehman Nawazi and hospitality.

It's awfully kind of you, to allow me to live in your Afghanistan. I'm very thankful.

Would you also mind giving me an extension on my Afghan visa pleaseeee?

Sign Here pleaseeee ------->

King Regards,

"Ugly but not that ugly Tajik" LOLL

[Azmal]

Kadirs post reminds me of a poem I once read in door of public restroom ”Here i set with broken heart+++ trying to sh## but only could Fart." Apparently he still holds a grudge against me…from some other forum…Kadir boy…tell me your nick…I then to remember clowns.

[Khidr]

^ It seems you admit to having a colourful history on other forums? I'm not surprised. Don't be worried, I don't normally interact with idiots like you, so I doubt we have a history.

It doesn't take me that long to recognize an idiot when I see one, in your case all it took was your first "oxus jumper" reply to me, and I realized I have a precious idiot in my hands.

[Azmal]

Sorry i am smart enough to pick the fact that azmal and khidr are fighting with each other. I have already discuss in length that tajiks have nothing to do with KP pashtuns so they will naturally oppose unity of pashtuns...but my arguements are always refuted by supporters of loy afghanistan and persianized
pathans. And azmal is kabuli persianized pathan.

I don't allow Fathans to meddle in my affair with central Asian refugees that we allow in our country... i appreciate the backing of my real Pashtons of occupied pashtonistan but those ta bandi ma bandi Makani Fathan can @@@@ themselves. You will always be de Ranjit sing zoy for us..never forget that Paki boy.

[Khidr]

I don't allow Fathans to meddle in my affair with central Asian refugees that we allow in our country... i appreciate the backing of my real Pashtons of occupied pashtonistan but those ta bandi ma bandi Makani Fathan can @@@@ themselves. You will always be de Ranjit sing zoy for us..never forget that Paki boy.

The way things are going, it's seems it is you who is on the wrong end of a hiding. These "Makani Fathans" are about to extend the Durrand Line all the way to Jalalabad. What can you do about it? besides squeeling on the internet about who's a real Pashtun and who's not.

Are you ready for another century of being subserviant to 'Ali Jinnah zoy'and singing Pakistan's "Farsi" anthem. Seems these 'fake makani Panjabis' have far more influence over your people than you a "real Pashtun" does.

[Azmal]

^ It seems you admit to having a colourful history on other forums? I'm not surprised. Don't be worried, I don't normally interact with idiots like you, so I doubt we have a history.

It doesn't take me that long to recognize an idiot when I see one, in your case all it took was your first "oxus jumper" reply to me, and I realized I have a precious idiot in my hands.

So Krap, did you forget your trolling a freaking Pashton forum when state “colorful history on other forums” I stand correct in my earlier observations, in that its always personal for these amu Jumpers when it comes to politics. Anyhow…you know your naar... now why don’t you introduce yourself…you ungrateful amu Jumper e Kala Chapaat.

[Azmal]

The way things are going, it's seems it is you who is on the wrong end of a hiding. These "Makani Fathans" are about to extend the Durrand Line all the way to Jalalabad. What can you do about it? besides squeeling on the internet about who's a real Pashtun and who's not.

Are you ready for another century of being subserviant to 'Ali Jinnah zoy'and singing Pakistan's "Farsi" anthem. Seems these 'fake makani Panjabis' have far more influence over your people than you a "real Pashtun" does.

Troll...your backing of Ranjit Sings steps sons are not suppressing to me...after all you guys are two face of same coin...reset assure we Pashtons have realize yours and Pakistan 's continuing deception – this forum is example that we know Pakistan is a very dangerous neighbor and that all Pashtons have to guard Afghanistan against any and all Pakistanis. It is a continuous, broad-based awareness of the negative efforts by Pakistanis - by a hundred different means - that will help defeat Pakistan 's efforts.

[Khidr]

So Krap, did you forget your trolling a freaking Pashton forum when state “colorful history on other forums” I stand correct in my earlier observations, in that its always personal for these amu Jumpers when it comes to politics. Anyhow…you know your naar... now why don’t you introduce yourself…you ungrateful amu Jumper e Kala Chapaat.

I'm not here to troll, but merely to share my perspective, which I acknowledge may differ with that of many members here. I'm open for anyone to question my opinions in an respectful manner and I would be more than happy to respond. I have recieved encouragement from Admin Khan and from other members to continue to share my perspective here. So, right or wrong...I take it my presence here is welcome and adds to the plurarity of this board.

My question to you is, the 100 or so posts of your's that I have read, what do you bring to this board?

From what I gathered, it is you who is a troll. You are the self appointed judge of which Pashtun is "real Pashtun" and which Pashtun is a "fake Pakistani Pashtun" purely because in your own words you are Mohmadzayee.

You seem to huff and puff about creating Loy-Afghanistan, but so do million other people. What do you bring to this board besides chanting Loy-Afghanistan and petty name calling?

You want me to introduce myself? LOL You're one paranoid kid. But for your information, I'm a Kaalachapat Oxus Jumper Tajik.

[Orzala]

It seems I'm making quite an impact around here that you heard about me! lol

Now, now...don't boast about it.

By the way, I just wanted to thank you from the 'Pashtun marrying non-Pashtun thread' where you kindly said that you don't want to deport Tajiks and other "minorities" from "your Afghanistan" because of your Mehman Nawazi and hospitality.

You're most welcome.

It's awfully kind of you, to allow me to live in your Afghanistan. I'm very thankful.

It feels awfully good to be appreciated.

Would you also mind giving me an extension on my Afghan visa pleaseeee?

Sign Here pleaseeee ------->

King Regards,

"Ugly but not that ugly Tajik" LOLL

And that, I cannot do. I have no such power. Rofl @ "Ugly but not that ugly Tajik"

[Michin Khel]

@azmal
I think you are drooling for loy afghanistan just because of your grudges against tajiks, a minority who is more powerful than magority. Tell me do u absolutely wish for unity of pashtuns?
You are calling pakistani pashtuns as stepsons of ranjit singh, it clearly indicate your mindset, you are looking down upon your kinsemen in pakistan. Ranjit singh and sikhs are remembered as cruel enemies of pashtuns, do u have enough guts to say this insult on face of pakistani pashtun?
Sort out your differences with tajiks on your own. Beside you are kabuli persianized pathan, why you are so distant from tajiks