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    I think this nteresting issue that I will address here, which arose out of the 'Tajik politician insulting Amanullah,' deserves a seperate topic of its own.

    MI6, this is a response specifically to you, but also to Luffy and other "Pakistani" Pashtuns.

    MI6 you mentioned that this Azmal guy called you a “rent a Pashtun”? This comment of his says a lot about his ideology and his Afghani Pashtun/Kabuli Mohmadzayee view of you frontier Pashtuns. Do you have any idea about his historical perspective as to why you frontier Pashtuns, especially you Waziris are “rent a Pashtun” in his eyes? He was referring to the time where his ancestor British Lackey Nadir Khan, used your tribe merely as a tool to come to power against Ghazi Amanullah . By the way, feel free to ask yourself, what did your tribe get for all that?

    As I said to you from the start, Tajiks have no problem with you, and I support a Pashtunistan consisting of Pashtun lands in Afghanistan and Pakistan. But I don’t want to live with you in the same country, just like you don’t want to live with me. Our people will only have a problem if you try to oppress us in your Loy-Afghanistan, like Punjabis are oppressing you Waziris in Pakistan. I understand you are extremely xenophobic, but you have to use your logic. If you think about it, this “rent a Pashtun” comment of Azmal, reveals a lot about these Afghani Pashtuns/Mohmadzayee Pashtuns and how they see you guys.

    These Afghani Pashtuns like Azmal, who at most have 10-12 million of the population of Pashtuns, want you K.P Pashtuns, who have a population of 30 million, to join them, even though you guys have more than double their population! They want K.P to be just another province in their Kabul-Centric Abdali Kingdom, Afghanistan. With Kabul as capital, and Farsi-speaking Abdali Pashtuns as the elite. Ask yourself, shouldn’t it be the other way around? Shouldn’t they join you since you guys are the majority, shouldn’t Afghani Pashtuns join Pashtunistan?

    If you were to use your head, you would see these guys see you as merely political tools to win back their lost political hegemony in Afghanistan, against the Tajiks. They see you as nothing more than a political demographical weapon.

    If you don’t believe me, ask Azmal, and other “Hawk Nationalists” (to use Toramana definition) if they really are for a Pashtun unity, would they then be prepared to lose and sacrifice the alien lands of the north and west to be with their Pashtun brothers of K.P in a true Pashtunistan? Ask them if blood is thicker than water? With the exception of genuine and pure Pashtun nationalist like Amir Al-Ghaznavi and a few others, who only strive for Pashtun Unity, not one of these Afghani Pashtun "Hawk Natioanlist" will say yes.

    Reading this board, it's also blatantly obvious that the much more educated and prominent "Pakistani" Pashtuns, like the Khattacks, Afridis and Mohmands will not be prepared to join Azmal's failed state of Afghanistan and play second fiddle to Kabuli-Abdali Pashtuns.
    Last edited by Guest; 12-05-2010, 10:29 PM.

  • #2
    Khidr you make no freaking sense!! you are trying to spread hate amongst the pashtuns of Afghanistan and pashtuns of Khyber pakhtunkhwa, which is not going to work at all. We all want a united nation, if it is Pashtunistan or Loy Afghanistan we don't really care.

    And remember, we all pashtuns are brothers and you cannot separate us with your bull ****.
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    • #3
      Khidr, I know Azmal very well...May be, he, like other members on this board, may occassionally call one or the other Pashtun inappropriately but that is just out of frustration due to the hard circumstances we Pashtuns are passing through and seeing no light ... like members do in a family when they fail each other expectations---I am 200% sure he doesn't harbour any ill-well for us...

      Rest, as for the demography as political balancing factor, that may be true but the motives are not really to use us but to consolidate the state identity as Afghan identity ---a common sentiment among dominent nationalities who own state/countries more than other groups/minorities and consider their strength as the strength of the state...
      Last edited by Toramana; 12-05-2010, 11:44 PM.

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      • #4
        Well bro, I respect your opinion, but I can only go by what I have read about him and from him here.

        Whatever his motives, his inconsistent position of all present day Afghanistan and Pashtun areas of Pakistan being the domain of Pashtuns, and anyone who disagrees as being refugees is not one that will be taken seriously in any sensible discussion about a possible peaceful resolution between Tajiks and Pashtuns by any objective and impartial observer.

        To me he appears to be bitter, inconsistent politically, uneducated, a naive teenager, a Kabulified Mohmadzayee who yearns for the glory days of Mohmadzayees.

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        • #5
          Kabulis should shove their eliteness into their a$$es. Not only azmal but may afghans here view us in this regard, they put afghanistanism to be criterea for being proper pashtun.
          I take kandaharis, khostwals, paktiawals etc seriously but kabulis? they should become proper pashtuns first then they will carry any signficance for us.
          Kandahar and Kabul have to come out of this mentality that we are their long lost "subjects".

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          • #6
            I have great respect for those afghans only who are good enough to accept even patriotic pakistani pashtuns as their brothers and kinsmen. Because these are the afghans who i think are serious in wrorwali. How will we bring back pakistanized pashtuns back to the right track when afghans will mock them with titles of pathan, dhalkhor, ranjitsinghi, punjabi slave etc?. So i dont consider such type of afghans e.g azmal to be serious in unity.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Khidr View Post
              I think this nteresting issue that I will address here, which arose out of the 'Tajik politician insulting Amanullah,' deserves a seperate topic of its own.

              MI6, this is a response specifically to you, but also to Luffy and other "Pakistani" Pashtuns.

              MI6 you mentioned that this Azmal guy called you a “rent a Pashtun”? This comment of his says a lot about his ideology and his Afghani Pashtun/Kabuli Mohmadzayee view of you frontier Pashtuns. Do you have any idea about his historical perspective as to why you frontier Pashtuns, especially you Waziris are “rent a Pashtun” in his eyes? He was referring to the time where his ancestor British Lackey Nadir Khan, used your tribe merely as a tool to come to power against Ghazi Amanullah . By the way, feel free to ask yourself, what did your tribe get for all that?

              As I said to you from the start, Tajiks have no problem with you, and I support a Pashtunistan consisting of Pashtun lands in Afghanistan and Pakistan. But I don’t want to live with you in the same country, just like you don’t want to live with me. Our people will only have a problem if you try to oppress us in your Loy-Afghanistan, like Punjabis are oppressing you Waziris in Pakistan. I understand you are extremely xenophobic, but you have to use your logic. If you think about it, this “rent a Pashtun” comment of Azmal, reveals a lot about these Afghani Pashtuns/Mohmadzayee Pashtuns and how they see you guys.

              These Afghani Pashtuns like Azmal, who at most have 10-12 million of the population of Pashtuns, want you K.P Pashtuns, who have a population of 30 million, to join them, even though you guys have more than double their population! They want K.P to be just another province in their Kabul-Centric Abdali Kingdom, Afghanistan. With Kabul as capital, and Farsi-speaking Abdali Pashtuns as the elite. Ask yourself, shouldn’t it be the other way around? Shouldn’t they join you since you guys are the majority, shouldn’t Afghani Pashtuns join Pashtunistan?

              If you were to use your head, you would see these guys see you as merely political tools to win back their lost political hegemony in Afghanistan, against the Tajiks. They see you as nothing more than a political demographical weapon.

              If you don’t believe me, ask Azmal, and other “Hawk Nationalists” (to use Toramana definition) if they really are for a Pashtun unity, would they then be prepared to lose and sacrifice the alien lands of the north and west to be with their Pashtun brothers of K.P in a true Pashtunistan? Ask them if blood is thicker than water? With the exception of genuine and pure Pashtun nationalist like Amir Al-Ghaznavi and a few others, who only strive for Pashtun Unity, not one of these Afghani Pashtun "Hawk Natioanlist" will say yes.

              Reading this board, it's also blatantly obvious that the much more educated and prominent "Pakistani" Pashtuns, like the Khattacks, Afridis and Mohmands will not be prepared to join Azmal's failed state of Afghanistan and play second fiddle to Kabuli-Abdali Pashtuns.
              I am smiling after reading your post

              And "playing second fiddle to Kabuli-abdali pashtuns" - a desperate attempt from a Ahmaq shah follower to keep pashtuns away from each other?

              "They see you as nothing more than a political demographical weapon"

              This coming from a Thajikistani - the blood enemy of Afghans/Pashtuns - If any of us believe in this then seriously we deserve to live in the condition we are in today.
              “Pakistan, which plays a key role in Asia, is so famous for treachery that it is said they can get milk from a bull. They have two tongues in one mouth, and two faces on one head so they can speak everybody’s language; they use everybody, deceive everybody.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Toramana View Post
                Khidr, I know Azmal very well...May be, he, like other members on this board, may occassionally call one or the other Pashtun inappropriately but that is just out of frustration due to the hard circumstances we Pashtuns are passing through and seeing no light ... like members do in a family when they fail each other expectations---I am 200% sure he doesn't harbour any ill-well for us...

                Rest, as for the demography as political balancing factor, that may be true but the motives are not really to use us but to consolidate the state identity as Afghan identity ---a common sentiment among dominent nationalities who own state/countries more than other groups/minorities and consider their strength as the strength of the state...
                Its coming from a thajikistani - the liability of the this post does not exist as the auther of this thread clearly have an agenda.
                “Pakistan, which plays a key role in Asia, is so famous for treachery that it is said they can get milk from a bull. They have two tongues in one mouth, and two faces on one head so they can speak everybody’s language; they use everybody, deceive everybody.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Luffy View Post
                  Kabulis should shove their eliteness into their a$$es. Not only azmal but may afghans here view us in this regard, they put afghanistanism to be criterea for being proper pashtun.
                  I take kandaharis, khostwals, paktiawals etc seriously but kabulis? they should become proper pashtuns first then they will carry any signficance for us.
                  Kandahar and Kabul have to come out of this mentality that we are their long lost "subjects".
                  You are naive very naive and you got fooled.
                  “Pakistan, which plays a key role in Asia, is so famous for treachery that it is said they can get milk from a bull. They have two tongues in one mouth, and two faces on one head so they can speak everybody’s language; they use everybody, deceive everybody.

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                  • #10
                    I would like to comment on your signiture:

                    "To live in slavery, is to not live at all. So I assure my countrymen as well as our foreign enemies that we WERE an independent people, we ARE an independent people and, God Willing, and we will REMAIN an independent people."

                    Ahmad Shah Massoud, after the fall of Kabul to Pakistan in 1996."

                    All know that Thakisitani have always seen Pashtuns as Pakistani not Afghans so no surprise in him/you saying Pakistan conquered kabul. The Independence part however disturbs me a bit - The man who was American and Russian slave for the most of his live valued independence that highly is great surprise to me.
                    Last edited by kunar1990; 12-06-2010, 07:25 AM.
                    “Pakistan, which plays a key role in Asia, is so famous for treachery that it is said they can get milk from a bull. They have two tongues in one mouth, and two faces on one head so they can speak everybody’s language; they use everybody, deceive everybody.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by kunar1990 View Post
                      You are naive very naive and you got fooled.
                      Sorry i am smart enough to pick the fact that azmal and khidr are fighting with each other. I have already discuss in length that tajiks have nothing to do with KP pashtuns so they will naturally oppose unity of pashtuns...but my arguements are always refuted by supporters of loy afghanistan and persianized
                      pathans. And azmal is kabuli persianized pathan.
                      Last edited by Michin Khel; 12-06-2010, 07:46 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by kunar1990 View Post



                        All know that Thakisitani have always seen Pashtuns as Pakistani not Afghans
                        Last time i checked most of afghans here consider talibans as agents of Pakistan so khidr's signature is in consistence with views of rest of afghans.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Luffy View Post
                          Sorry i am smart enough to pick the fact that azmal and khidr are fighting with each other. I have already discuss in length that tajiks have nothing to do with KP pashtuns so they will naturally oppose unity of pashtuns...but my arguements are always refuted by supporters of loy afghanistan and persianized
                          pathans. And azmal is kabuli persianized pathan.
                          "I have great respect for those afghans only who are good enough to accept even patriotic pakistani pashtuns as their brothers and kinsmen. Because these are the afghans who i think are serious in wrorwali. How will we bring back pakistanized pashtuns back to the right track when afghans will mock them with titles of pathan, dhalkhor, ranjitsinghi, punjabi slave etc?. So i dont consider such type of afghans e.g azmal to be serious in unity."

                          Threat other as you wanted to be threated by others.
                          “Pakistan, which plays a key role in Asia, is so famous for treachery that it is said they can get milk from a bull. They have two tongues in one mouth, and two faces on one head so they can speak everybody’s language; they use everybody, deceive everybody.

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                          • #14
                            The idea that there is such a thing as "Pashtun Pakistani" seems totally ludacrious from a historic point of view.
                            Pakistan was created for "indian Muslims" ...if pashtuns consider them selves pakistani-pashtuns then they might as well say they are always indians.

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                            • #15
                              I have great respect for those afghans only who are good enough to accept even patriotic pakistani pashtuns as their brothers and kinsmen. Because these are the afghans who i think are serious in wrorwali. How will we bring back pakistanized pashtuns back to the right track when afghans will mock them with titles of pathan, dhalkhor, ranjitsinghi, punjabi slave etc?.
                              because once they have been insulted, denigrated and charmed by "real pashtuns" they will change their ways and shout loy afghanistan!!!



                              well its worth a shot right?


                              Pakistan was created for "indian Muslims"

                              you mean sub continental muslims, and religion was not the sole reason.

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