Final Afghan parliamentary election results announced

[AnGaaR]

^ y shouldnt i bother? is it because I know the reality so i should shut up and sit? lol

This is why pashtoons are khwaro zar everywhere.. sarzori kawi.. tal yai hadaf da wei chei har tsok worta kha wowayei .. pakhpala hatsai na kawei chei zan kha kei

[Feroza_Banu]

now that i think of it... why r you all crying like babies about who won the elections... don't most of you support the taliban and izbe islami, who are supposedly fighting to get rid of the infidels and the invaders, and that the taliban and izbe islami are the true representative of pashtoon nation and pashtoon blood? if thats the case then shouldn't u all be happy that none of the pashtoons are taking part or even voting in governmental elections... isn't the government the puppit karzai government who doesn't represent the brave and so independent pashtoons?

i mean come to think of it... the reason why they lost seats is because of taliban and izbe islami influence in outskirts of ghazni (where most pashtoons live). then for you tali supporters, there is no reason to complain of ur loss.

[Ghorzang]

Hazaras don't speak Dari, it shows how ignorant you are about Afghanistan. they speak hazaragi which is not an official language of Afghanistan, so for them to communicate officially through Dari is easier. because hazaragi is very close to Dari. their language is not recognized language just like its the case with many other languages in Afghanistan.

Whether you call it Dari/Farsi/Hazaragi/Tajiki are all the same language with different dialects/accents. It is just like Northern and Southern Pashto. Same language, different dialects.

[Feroza_Banu]

^ y shouldnt i bother? is it because I know the reality so i should shut up and sit? lol

This is why pashtoons are khwaro zar everywhere.. sarzori kawi.. tal yai hadaf da wei chei har tsok worta kha wowayei .. pakhpala hatsai na kawei chei zan kha kei

lol haqiqat karrwa hota hai haha... and pashtoons as u said only wanna hear good things about themselves...

if u sit infront of pashtaana and start praising their history and the brave stories of their forefathers, they wil start exploding with pride. the minute you tel them, "ta pakhpala chishi ye, taa pakhpala tsa kari dei osa porai?... zan sam ka" ... you will be hated! u will be labelled many names.

[AnGaaR]

^^ feroza u r right
Pashtoons are divided..

some prefer talibs and never vote
others vote to izb islami or others
some vote and support karzai
some went to vote for others

Hazaras voted for one person and thats why they won

[Feroza_Banu]

anyways, i am out of this topic...

pashtoons first need to decide who they want to represent them, its either the current government or their good old talis and izbe islami...

be united, then u won't have a reason to cry later.... caz u will win

[Ghorzang]

I am from ghazni.. there are more hazaras than tajiks in Ghazni
Pashtoons are in Moqor,Gilan,Qalat and other areas where they didnt get chance to vote..

Ghazni city is full of tajiks and hazaras.

^don't bother Angaar... people here only depend on BBC and wikipedia... they will not accept what comes out of someone who has lived in the province lol

The percentages and estimates for the districts at the wikipedia are taken from MRRD & AIMS. Wikipedia might not be very reliable, but I have personally added the charts to Wikipedia and sourced them myself.

Based on the information provided by the MRRD (taken from CSO & UNHCR), Pashtuns make up at the least 51% of the total population of Ghazni province.

In districts like Ab Band, Andar, Gelan, Giro, Khugiani, Nawa, Zana Khan & Waghaz, they make up almost 100% of the total population. 97% in Argistan, 89% in Dih Yak, 25% in Ghazni, 20% in Khwaja Umari, 80% in Muqur, 50% in Qarabagh & 96% in Rashdai.

While Jaghori, Malistan & Nawur are the only districts with 100% Hazara population. There are 25% in Ghazni, 45% in Khwaja Umari, 20% Muqur, 50% Qarabagh and only 4% in Rashidan.

That means that 12 of the 18/19 districts are Pashtun majority. On the other hand, Hazaras dominate only 4 districts. It is possible that Hazara districts might have a higher population than some of the Pashtun ones, however, at the end it supports the 51% percentage provided by MRRD.

[asif86]

Pakistan will do its level best to disturb and keep Pashtuns away from participating in the Afghan government.

The question is why will they only prevent pashtuns from voting.why not others?

[asif86]

In ghazni city the tajiks are 50% and hazaras and pashtuns are 20% and 25% each.Based on population ratio the tajiks should also have got seats from ghazni province.The real winner of this election is abdullah abdullah as he feels that he has enough support in this new assembly to push karzai to the corner.

[asif86]

Many people have given estimates based on wikipedia and afghan sources.It could be possible they are wrong.In afghanistan no census has been done since 1979 and even that one was considered to be impartial and incomplete.So no one knows for sure the numerical strength of each ethnic group.

[Ghorzang]

Many people have given estimates based on wikipedia and afghan sources.It could be possible they are wrong.In afghanistan no census has been done since 1979 and even that one was considered to be impartial and incomplete.So no one knows for sure the numerical strength of each ethnic group.

It is possible, but that is the best we could do. The estimates from Afghanistan are the work of UNHCR, CSO, MRRD & AIMS(to an extent).

[Ghorzang]

Unresolved Afghan election could undercut U.S. efforts

By WARREN P. STROBEL AND HABIB ZOHORI
McClatchy Newspapers

KABUL, Afghanistan -- Ghazni province had half an election in September. Ethnic Pashtuns stayed home, thanks to intimidation by the Taliban insurgency. A rival group, the Hazara, went to the polls in droves, seeking political power as an antidote to their historical repression.

When the voting and nonvoting was over, the Hazara had swept all 11 parliamentary seats from the volatile province in southeast Afghanistan, according to the still preliminary results.

While it might seem like a local power struggle to most Westerners, the election results in Ghazni threaten to further undercut the U.S.-led mission to stabilize Afghanistan and hand over control to Afghan security forces by 2014 as agreed at a NATO summit last week.

Barred from parliament, Ghazni's Pashtuns are warning that their people will have little choice but to move closer to the Taliban, a Pashtun-dominated movement.

"The final results of the Ghazni election will further deteriorate the security of the province and more Pashtuns will support insurgent causes," Kheyal Mohammad Hussaini, who wasn't re-elected to the parliament, said by telephone from Ghazni.

What happened in Ghazni is in dispute. While Pashtun candidates say their votes were stolen, there's little doubt that polls in the province were among the messiest of a very messy campaign.

Nationwide, 1.3 million ballots, about a quarter of the total, were disqualified. Reports of ballot stuffing and payoffs were rife.

The vote took place more than two months ago, on Sept. 18, but final results aren't expected until later this week at the earliest.

In Ghazni, a province of about 1.1 million people famous for its Islamic shrines, 115 out of 272 polling centers failed to open or had their results invalidated, said Fabrizio Foschini, of the private Afghanistan Analysts Network. The vast majority were in Pashtun-dominated districts. In one district, Andar, only three votes were tallied, Foschini said.

For Afghans who often risk their lives "on a daily basis, you want to do it for something more worthy than an election" that isn't considered valid, he said.

"On a local level, it will be a huge propaganda issue," Foschini said, with the Taliban telling local Pashtuns who were kept out of government, "You must be with us."

A Western diplomat said such fears are overblown. He said that Afghan President Hamid Karzai, a Pashtun who complained publicly about the Ghazni results, is likely to balance the outcome by appointing Pashtuns to top provincial posts.

The diplomat, who wasn't authorized to speak for the record, also said that Afghanistan's watchdog Electoral Complaints Commission did its job by disqualifying fraudulent votes. "The system worked."

Daoud Sultanzoi, who was among the Pashtun incumbents who went down to apparent defeat, sees it differently. Sultanzoi, whose family has represented Ghazni since Afghanistan established its first parliament 70 years ago, said thousands of his votes were wrongfully quarantined.

At 12:45 a.m. on Sept. 19, Sultanzoi said, an election official called him, telling him he'd been re-elected. Less than seven hours later, he said, the same official told him: "I don't know what to tell you. They've removed all your votes from the database."

The one clear outcome of Ghazni's election is political empowerment - to the extent Afghanistan's parliament has power - for the Hazara. They trace their lineage to Genghis Khan, and have long been marginalized and brutalized by the country's other ethnic groups.

The election was a chance for recoupment for the Hazara, who supported Karzai in his disputed re-election last year, only to see promises of more government appointments go unfulfilled.

The Hazara benefited from a system in which the top 11 vote-getters province-wide - three seats were reserved for women - were elected. They're loath to give up their gains, dismissing suggestions for a re-vote in Ghazni.

"Our people accepted democracy and accepted elections, so we should accept the results of the elections as well. ... People have decided who should be their representatives, and who should not," said parliamentarian Shah Gul Razayee, a delicate white shawl draped over her head and shoulders.

Non-Pashtuns, she said, should be able to represent Pashtuns.

Ali Akbar Qasimi, who likewise was re-elected, said there's no legal basis for a re-vote and, and with no security in Pashtun areas, it wouldn't help. "If the Pashtun candidates cannot go to the districts and talk to the people ... no matter if they hold the election again, they won't be elected again," he said.

The disputed parliamentary vote has garnered far less attention in Washington than last year's presidential election here. But analysts said it could further set back attempts at democracy.

"Now everybody says parliament won't matter. ... It's bad, because the parliament was actually starting to have some cohesiveness" as a check on executive power, Foschini said.

(Zohori is a McClatchy Newspapers special correspondent.)


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