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    This is an old article but it's still a good one. Sadly nothing has changed/improved since it was written. Tuesday, 5 December 2006, 12:24 GMT

    Pashtuns want an image change

    By Ahmed Rashid, Lahore


    Pashtuns feel they are being wrongly demonised

    Since 11 September 2001, Pashtuns feel they have become the most vilified ethnic group in the world.

    They are angry, frustrated and now want to reclaim their identity from being lumped with the Taleban and as perpetrators of terrorism and suicide bombings.

    Most Afghan prisoners held by the Americans in Guantanamo Bay in Cuba or at Bagram air base near Kabul are Pashtun.
    Those who have emerged from these - and Afghan and Pakistani-run jails are also Pashtun.
    So are the thousands of civilian casualties who have been bombed by mistake or carelessness in southern Afghanistan by US and Nato pilots during military operations since 11 September.
    US soldiers who knocked down doors and interrogated women, alienating the population, did so largely in the Pashtun south, where American forces have been accused by locals of treating all Pashtuns as the enemy - an association that Nato is now trying to change.

    Around the world we are accused of being terrorists, but tolerance is in our blood Mehmood Khan Achakzai
    Pashtun politician


    All the 80 dead victims of the Pakistani air force bombing of a madrassa in Bajaur tribal agency in Pakistan in late October were also Pashtun.
    The pace of promised development, reconstruction and money spent by Western donors is slowest in Afghanistan's Pashtun south.
    Pakistan's Pashtun belt is one of the most deprived regions in the country, even though it holds immense resources and generates nearly 50% of the country's hydro-electric power.
    Cross-border movement

    The tragedy for the Pashtuns has been their association with the Taleban.
    The Taleban were a majority Pashtun cross-border movement which, in 1994, enlisted support from Pakistan's 40 million Pashtuns and Afghanistan's 10-12 million Pashtuns.

    Their bitter, brutal war against the non-Pashtun former Northern Alliance helped create long-lasting ethnic feuds in Afghanistan.

    Pashtuns mourn the death of their kin in the recent Bajaur bombing


    But it was the Taleban's association with Osama Bin Laden and the protection they gave al-Qaeda after 1996 that first associated the Taleban with terrorism in the eyes of the international community.

    Even then many Pashtuns resisted the Taleban.

    Among them was Abdul Haq - who was gunned down by the Taleban for leading a revolt in 2001 - and Hamid Karzai, who is now president of Afghanistan.
    In Pakistan, secular and democratic-minded Pashtuns have long resisted the idea that the 3,000-year-old Pashtun culture and language should be Talebanised.

    Now, for the first time, hundreds of political leaders and tribal chiefs from the Pashtun tribes inhabiting Pakistan's border with Afghanistan have held a Pashtun Peace Jirga, or tribal council, demanding an end to Taleban violence in both countries.
    Restore traditions
    They accused Pakistan's military regime and its intelligence agency, ISI, of giving clandestine support to the Taleban and other extremist groups and demanded an end to it.

    Clean-shaven tribal chiefs with large turbans, religious scholars with long scraggly beards and young political activists sat together in a large hall in Peshawar in late November demanding that the peaceful traditions and values of the Pashtun tribes be restored.

    "The world is asking 'who are you Pashtuns?'" said Mehmood Khan Achakzai, the leader of a moderate Pashtun party in Balochistan province?

    "Around the world we are accused of being terrorists, but tolerance is in our blood - it is taught by our mothers. We do not hate people just because their noses are long or they speak in foreign tongues. We demand all the world respect our values, culture and the dignity of our people," he added.

    Mr Karzai is a Pashtun who has always resisted the Taleban



    The jirga was organised by the Awami National Party (ANP) - a democratic, secular Pashtun nationalist party that has been marginalised in the past decade due to its strong criticism of Pakistan's military regime and the wave of Islamic extremism that has flooded the Pashtun tribal belt on both sides of the border.

    However, the ANP and other democrats are now regaining popularity because of deepening fears within the tribes about the Taleban enforcing their writ among all Pashtuns.
    "The Taleban are not the creation of Pashtun society, but the creation of the Pakistan army," said Afsandyar Wali, the head of the ANP.
    "Pashtuns stand united for peace, but the fire of war is burning our land and we have to find the means to extinguish it. We are caught in the middle of warmongers, extremists and militants," he added.

    The Jirga also heard from Taleban supporters such as Maulana Fazlur Rehman, a cleric who heads the radical Jamiat-e-Ullema Islam party that is presently ruling the two border provinces of Balochistan and the North West Frontier and openly aids the Taleban insurgency in Afghanistan.

    Drowned out

    Rehman claimed that the Taleban were resisting foreign occupation and aggression.
    But for the first time, such appeals to violence by a Pashtun mullah were drowned out by voices which said that the Taleban were a threat to peace and a total negation of Pashtun values.

    Part of the problem is the army and the ISI.
    Before 11 September, when Pakistan openly supported the Taleban, the intelligence services (ISI) literally re-wrote Afghan history.
    The Taleban were largely illiterate, but a special ISI cell wrote articles and books, and paid for seminars in an attempt to show that the extremism of the Taleban was part-and-parcel of Pashtun identity.

    Afghan Pashtuns such as Mr Karzai, Abdul Haq and former King Zahir Shah resisted this, but they were voices without access to the Pakistani media.
    Pakistani Pashtuns who resisted this labelling were called traitors and anti-national by the ISI.
    Now democratic Pashtuns say that in recent statements, President Pervez Musharraf is also trying to demonise Pashtuns.
    "Musharraf is describing us as barbarians who shed blood and that the Pashtun are violent," Mr Achakzai told the jirga.

    Much of the debate focused on defining the two traditional centres of Pashtun values - the masjid, or mosque, and the hujra, or the seat of the tribal chief.

    In other words, the power of religion and secular political power.
    While clerics defended the Taleban saying they had united the two, others insisted they must be kept separate if the Pashtuns were to survive as a nation.
    The debate on Pashtun identity has just begun and it will be further enhanced when a grand Pashtun jirga is held among both the Pakistani and Afghan Pashtun tribes next spring.

  • #2
    Pashtuns do not want an image change. Sell outs and traitors want to project their image upon the rest of us.
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    • #3
      Musafira, I read this a while ago and told myself that things might change in the next 5 years. Sadly, you are right things have not changed.
      Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

      A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

      For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


      The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

      -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Sangar View Post
        Pashtuns do not want an image change. Sell outs and traitors want to project their image upon the rest of us.

        You might think you do but in reality you do not speak for everyone.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Sangar View Post
          Pashtuns do not want an image change. Sell outs and traitors want to project their image upon the rest of us.
          Pashtuns want to revert to their original peaceful way of life and want to shun the Salafist Jihadist intolerant system imposed upon them by the CIA, ISI and Saudi agencies.

          Kind regards
          "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".

          "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Afghanlady
            But Maseed,
            Many Pashtuns embraced this system of Jihadism.
            And look where it has taken them.



            kind regards.
            "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".

            "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Afghanlady
              (The K is supposed to be capital)

              It has taken us to the stone age. This is why we need educators.
              That is why I have taken a break from the forums because I'm busy mass-producing the next generation of educators.



              Kind regards
              "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".

              "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Afghanlady
                I thought you were banned Maseed lol. I did not know you were working on an image change.

                but Levanaye Zalmaye what should our first thing to do?
                First thing to do? In order to mass-produce the next generation? I don't think posting such stuff is allowed here....

                The change has to come from the top, by the way. People can't educate themselves.
                "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".

                "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".

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                • #9
                  The Taleban are not the creation nor the image of Pashtun society but actually they were created and indoctrinated by the CIA with the help of Pakistani establishment and ISI.
                  In Pashtun Society Pashtun does not consider them as their equal, Talib or Mullah is called a "Kasabgar".

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                  • #10
                    jhagh, the red flag in your avatar says enough.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Sangar View Post
                      jhagh, the red flag in your avatar says enough.
                      Did I Say Something Wrong grana?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Zhagh View Post
                        Did I Say Something Wrong grana?
                        yes, you lied.
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                        • #13
                          Its not a pre requisite to hate islam to be a better pashtun.
                          Intezar che pa salgo sho no ta raghley
                          Che me jwand pa dobedo sho no ta raghley.....

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by shlombay
                            Sangar can you point out where?

                            Zhahg welcome to the PF community of Pashtuns.



                            Yes but extremism has destroyed us. I.e Pakistanis telling Afghans they need to ban T-Vs etc.
                            he is saying that mullah omar is isi agent etc etc. thats a lie.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by shlombay
                              Can you prove your claims Sangar Khan?

                              Me and our respected brother Zhagh would love to hear you out.
                              well, did he ever produce any evidence that mullah omar is an isi agent?

                              These people produce a video of some ISI agent praising Mullah Omar. And this is their evidence to claim Mullah Omar is ISI agent.

                              That's not convincing to any rational human being.
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