Afghan women leave the country in fear of Taliban return

[RevolutionThroughReason]

The Moroccons that I've met remind me of African-Americans. They have commonalities. Let's see, they are completely stripped of their identity, culture, history(because of French colonization)and prefer to speak French over Arabic. Again, I hate to say this, and I have deep respect for innocent Moroccons but please fix your house before you judge a nation that has taught every aggressor a lesson they have never forgotten. The same people that ruled Morocco, were trying to find out ways to leave due to the fierce resistance of Afghans.

Anyways, when I say fix your house, this is what I mean.

http://www.magharebia.com/cocoon/awi/xhtml1/en_GB/features/awi/features/2007/12/28/feature-01

Of course Afghanistan has problems, but let's hear it from someone else, not a Moroccon. National dignity and Morocco are oxymorons. Do some research on Afghanistan, and you'll find out what dignity, loyalty and respect means.

I would take advice from an Indian before a Moroccan, not because India doesn't have social ills and problems; but India can at least have a viable scientific institution, where as Morocco has Frenchmen who brag about how they had sex with random Moroccan women off the street when they were working on contract to build a Mosque. It's sad because not long ago Morocco had a viable Islamic culture.

I may have been easier on Al Hanif if he didn't initially come to this forum to encourage and give patronage to suicide bombing murderers and labeling Afghan Muslims as "apostates" who deserve death just because they accept the new Government SIMPLY because they're sick of fighting and want a better life.

and not to sound like I'm picking fights with other forum members, but it outrages me that members like Shamlawar, Shadow and Lynx persistently come to this low life's rescue. I have no sympathy to people who go around calling poor destitute people "apostates" because they want to feed their families

[khushal]

The Moroccons that I've met remind me of African-Americans. They have commonalities. Let's see, they are completely stripped of their identity, culture, history(because of French colonization)and prefer to speak French over Arabic. Again, I hate to say this, and I have deep respect for innocent Moroccons but please fix your house before you judge a nation that has taught every aggressor a lesson they have never forgotten. The same people that ruled Morocco, were trying to find out ways to leave due to the fierce resistance of Afghans.

Anyways, when I say fix your house, this is what I mean.
http://www.magharebia.com/cocoon/awi.../28/feature-01

Of course Afghanistan has problems, but let's hear it from someone else, not a Moroccon. National dignity and Morocco are oxymorons. Do some research on Afghanistan, and you'll find out what dignity, loyalty and respect means.

One thing about the Moraccan culture that I find weird is that they have to prove to the whole community that the bride is a virgin so they display the virgin blood on a white sheet after the first night in public. What the hell is that.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

One thing about the Moraccan culture that I find weird is that they have to prove to the whole community that the bride is a virgin so they display the virgin blood on a white sheet after the first night in public. What the hell is that.

That's more of a Palestinian/Syrian/Lebanese thing, I personally have never heard of Moroccans doing that.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

I know this is off topic but some Human Rights Organizations allege that Afghans too do some type of virginity test? This is response to Khushal, more than anything.

http://www.crin.org/resources/infodetail.asp?id=24792

KABUL, 26 April 2011] - The penalties that Afghan women suffer whenever allegations of pre-marital sex and loss of virginity emerge, including death, are extreme, discriminatory and not in the penal code, activists said.

“I saw a woman who was publically humiliated and tortured because she had allegedly lost her virginity before her wedding night,” said Suraya Subhrang, a women’s rights commissioner at the Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission (AIHRC). Extra-judiciary penalties, she added, were prevalent and deep-rooted in the country.

Medical workers are often called in to prove a woman’s virginity – a requirement for women preparing for marriage.

“Virginity and adultery tests are part of our normal work,” said Del Aqa Mahboobi, a medical expert in Kabul. But there are few facilities and a shortage of female experts to undertake very intimate tests.

The tests involve an examination of the vagina to see whether a girl's or woman's hymen is intact, but experts say it can be torn by factors other than intercourse. When forced or coerced, according to Amnesty International, virginity tests degrade women and are a form of torture.

But among Afghan communities, failing the test can result in so-called honour killings, an under-reported crime usually carried out by the families and relatives who believe a young girl or woman has brought shame on them.

“Honour killings recognise a man’s right to kill a woman with impunity because of the damage that her immoral actions have caused to family honour,” the UN Assistance Mission in Afghanistan (UNAMA) reported in December 2010. Such murders, it added, were simply based on deep-rooted cultural beliefs and not on religion.

“Men usually go unpunished for ‘honour killings,” Subhrang told IRIN. “But could a woman kill her husband for illegitimate sexual relations?”

Honour issues

Raela* was forcefully taken to a medical examiner on her wedding night after her husband accused her of losing her virginity and beat her. The examination showed she had lost her virginity long before the marriage and the 22-year-old was handed over to the judiciary for prosecution on charges of adultery.

Raela’s incarceration has devastated her family. They have to pay back almost US$10,000 to their former son-in-law, which was allegedly spent on the wedding ceremony.

“They have put their house up for sale and decided to leave this neighbourhood because they cannot live with the dishonour,” said one relative, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

While virginity is not mentioned in the country’s penal system and other laws, say activists and lawyers, hundreds of women like Raela unfairly face serious formal and informal penalties for the alleged illicit loss of this cultural requirement.

Sexual intercourse outside marriage is a sin under Islamic jurisprudence and the Afghan laws largely derived from it.

“Virginity is a natural stamp,” said Mawlawi Mohammad Qasim, a member of the Supreme Court’s penal bureau. “When it is lost and the reason is proved to be illegitimate sexual relations it implies adultery, which should be punished,” he said adding that an unmarried person caught having sex outside marriage, male or female, could be sentenced to three to five years in prison while married adulterers received heavier penalties.

Unfair penalties

Women’s rights activists say the adultery law has too many problems and is mostly used only against women. In some cases, the women are victims of rape.

“The law does not clearly distinguish [between] rape and consensual sexual intercourse and treats rape victims as criminals and adulterers,” said Subhrang from the AIHRC.

Although concealed and under-reported, rape is a crime that occurs across the country every day, UNAMA said in a separate report in July 2009. “It is the girl or woman – the rape victim – and not the perpetrator who carries the shame of the crime,” the report said.

Demanding that men too face the law, Sheela Samimi, an advocacy officer with the Afghan Women’s Network (AWN), said: “Can a girl ask [medical experts] to test whether her would-be husband had sex before marriage and when proved wrong would officials prosecute the man as they do a woman?”

With every female victim of adultery, she added, there was a man or men who rarely faced justice.

*Not her real name

[khushal]

That's more of a Palestinian/Syrian/Lebanese thing, I personally have never heard of Moroccans doing that.

I have a tunisian friend he told me the moraccans, tunisians, algerians do it.
I was not aware of the palestinian/syrian/ lebonese region do this also.

He also said that many women go get surgery to get their "virginity" back.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

I have a tunisian friend he told me the moraccans, tunisians, algerians do it.
I was not aware of the palestinian/syrian/ lebonese region do this also.

He also said that many women go get surgery to get their "virginity" back.

virginity surgery is true even amongst wealthy Afghans, that's pretty much through every Muslim country.

[khushal]

never heard of it. most wealthy upper class wealthy muslims dont care about it.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

they're the only ones who can afford it, it's not cheap. Poor women cannot pay for a hymenoplasty

[Khostai]

I have a tunisian friend he told me the moraccans, tunisians, algerians do it.
I was not aware of the palestinian/syrian/ lebonese region do this also.

He also said that many women go get surgery to get their "virginity" back.

Yes its true, In Belgium you have a doctor who can make the thing whole again, so the woman can blead...
Its quite weird, but North Africans are really sirious about this, and its omportant to them, that the woman must blead the first night.
The onlye peopel in afghanistan that do some kind of verginity tests are farsiban, Pashtuns don't do that, its insult to a woman if you gona test her verginity.

[JAMALUDEEN]

Khostai can feel what a woman feels... to be testing her virginity..

[JAMALUDEEN]

lol

[JAMALUDEEN]

[khushal]

they're the only ones who can afford it, it's not cheap. Poor women cannot pay for a hymenoplasty

have you saved up enough money to do a hymenoplasty youself?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

have you saved up enough money to do a hymenoplasty youself?

why do you ask; are you interested in the procedure for yourself?