Pakistan training saudi special forces (NSSU)

[Talal]

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Americas loyal bachun are training hard, may i ask talal, wasnt it long ago, that your fauge under zia ul haq was training with Jordanian units on black september who then attacked palestinians?

[imb706]

I notice no females among those soldiers...

[Talal]

^ pakistan is among the two three muslim country that inducts females in large numbers in all of its forces..The others being Iran, and maybe Turkey

Pakistan’s First Female Army General Shahida Malik



Women fighter pilots of the PAF










Police and Army
















NAvy

[imb706]

I was referring to Saudi Arabia actually. It says saudi special forces.

[Afghan_Soldier]

Bechara females, what are they going to do against Taliban. lol

[Talal]

@afghan_soldier .. these women are fighting for there country, your a "man" what have you done ? lol

EDIT: Does that make you feel less of a man :D

@ imb..i dont think saudi women are even allowed to drive..dont quote me on that tho

[imb706]

Oh, they aren´t. Women get lashed if they´re in a car with an ¨unrelated¨ man as well.

[Talal]

^ Do you have any source for that claim ?

[imb706]

Do you have any source for that claim ?

Sure (though a simple search on the internet would have yielded it):

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/nov/17/saudiarabia.international

In Saudi Arabia, the state (which is an islamic absolute monarchy) views the women as the enemy and scapegoat for any perceived issue.

[Talal]

^ it ends up on an invalid link..post the news here

[imb706]

Invalid link? Um...okay.

Rape victim sentenced to 200 lashes and six months in jail

· Saudi woman punished for being alone with a man
· Lawyer specialising in women's rights suspended

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• Vicky Baker
• The Guardian, Saturday 17 November 2007
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A judge in Saudi Arabia has ordered a victim of gang rape to receive 200 lashes - more than double her original sentence for being alone with a man who was not a relative - after she appealed against the lenient sentences given to the men who attacked her. He also jailed her for six months.The 21-year-old woman, who was 19 at the time of the attack and is known by the Saudi media as "the girl from Qatif", was raped 14 times by a gang of seven. Although her attackers were found guilty and sentenced to between 10 months and five years last year, she was simultaneously sentenced to 90 lashes as punishment for riding in a car with a man who was not a relative.
By appealing against this decision, the judge ruled on Wednesday, she was attempting to "aggravate and influence the judiciary through the media".
At the appeal, the rapists' sentences were increased to between two and nine years.
"Some Saudis agree with her being lashed for being with a male that wasn't a relative," said Rasheed Abou-Alsamh, international news editor at Jeddah-based Arab News, "but most feel that doubling her punishment on appeal was unfair. Among many level-headed Saudis, the consensus is: 'Come on, she's been raped multiple times. Hasn't she suffered enough?'"
Amnesty International condemned the sentence. "Human rights activists and lawyers worldwide have expressed shock and sympathy," said Lamri Chirouf, a researcher for Amnesty who specialises in the region. "There is still opportunity to appeal, and so we are mounting a campaign that we will address to the king. [The Saudi courts] have got the priorities completely wrong. They have to protect the victims, not punish them."
The victim's lawyer, a prominent human rights defender, Abdul Rahman al-Lahem, was suspended from the case as a result of the appeal and his licence, granted to Saudi lawyers by the ministry of justice, has been revoked.
"I explained to them that it was my job to do everything legal in order to serve my client. But they did not listen," he told Arab News.
Lahem is known in Saudi Arabia for his work defending women's rights. He has taken on some of the country's most controversial and sensitive cases, often making the headlines.
Last year he defended a woman whose brothers forced her to divorce her husband after they accused him of lying about his tribal affiliation. This month he was due to represent a 50-year-old woman and her daughter who claim two undercover officials commandeered their car and drove them recklessly through Riyadh after accusing them of not conforming to customs of decency.
Lahem told Reuters: "The court blamed the girl for being alone with unrelated men, but it should have taken the humane view that it cannot be considered her fault."
Lahem's critics have called him an infidel and "lawyer of homosexuals". In the past he has been jailed and banned from travelling abroad. He will appear before a disciplinary committee at the ministry of justice on December 5, charged with criticising the judiciary and conducting activist campaigns in the media.

[Talal]

^ despicable..words cant describe the digust

[imb706]

Yeah, Saudi Arabia is terrible, we should cut off aid and relations to the country and use sensible measures to get them to come into the 21st Century.

Hey, as new technologies, energies and projects become more mainstream, that will probably happen. I will be happy if I live to see the day the Saudi monarchy falls.

[imb706]

It´s only rich off of oil. Once that oil dries up, well, it´s not going to be pretty for the royalty. Unfortunately, if the country doesn´t adapt to renewable or other forms of energy, it won´t be pretty for everyone else there.

Let´s face it, the Middle East will crash and burn if it doesn´t adapt to a post-oil economy.