The Taliban and girls' education in Pakistan and Afghanistan

[Al Hanif]

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[Al Hanif]

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[kiran]

Why do the taalibans consider themselves right when they are doing so much injustice?
Its said in islam that when someone kills an innocent person, its like they've killed the entire humanity. And taalibans have killed MANY innocent people including children who are a gift from Allah. Not only that, they've stopped education on girls..or they've attempted to which is an injustice against women.
They know that yet people these days like to enforce their ways on others

[khushal]

Actually they did not ban it in the name of religion but in the name of security.

[DaZahroJaam.]

Actually they did not ban it in the name of religion but in the name of security.

o really?? So I must have dreamt people being shot in the foreheads for secretly teaching children at their homes and basements. Feed that bull**** to someone else who has only heard an seen them from their television sets. Some of us have live amongst them.
God, I want to terrorize someone!

[khushal]

o really?? So I must have dreamt people being shot in the foreheads for secretly teaching children at their homes and basements. Feed that bull**** to someone else who has only heard an seen them from their television sets. Some of us have live amongst them.
God, I want to terrorize someone!

Its not that you dreamed it, its that your making it up. Thats all a myth to rally western public support to invade and occupy afghanistan. Stop wasting my tax dollars and fooling Americans on this senseless war. Enough is enough.
Ghosts of Afghanistan: Hard Truths and Foreign Myths - Google Books

[Kushan Prince]

Why do the taalibans consider themselves right when they are doing so much injustice?
Its said in islam that when someone kills an innocent person, its like they've killed the entire humanity. And taalibans have killed MANY innocent people including children who are a gift from Allah. Not only that, they've stopped education on girls..or they've attempted to which is an injustice against women.
They know that yet people these days like to enforce their ways on others

Oh really?

What about the countless bombings American troops have committed on pashtuns who have lost their lives? What about the tragedy in Balkh when American troops split 15 women and men and raped the women? I do agree that the Taliban's ideology is wrong, but Americans have killed more here then the Taliban. Though i do agree that Taliban have had their fair share of crimes, but American troops have done are far worse, they have demoralized themselves and don't follow the code of conduct correctly. They have implanted a bad name on America and its army because of the piety crimes they have commited.

[kiran]

Oh really?

What about the countless bombings American troops have committed on pashtuns who have lost their lives? What about the tragedy in Balkh when American troops would split 15 women and men and raped the women? I do agree that the Taliban's ideology is wrong, but Americans have killed more here then the Taliban.

Well what the heck do you expect from americans?
And who's talking about americans. Im talking about taaliban. The people that supposedly have so much knowledge about islam.
i was talking religious wise. Americans beliefs are way different from muslims.

[Kushan Prince]

Well what the heck do you expect from americans?
And who's talking about americans. Im talking about taaliban. The people that supposedly have so much knowledge about islam.
i was talking religious wise. Americans beliefs are way different from muslims.

You can't use that as an excuse. I'm pretty sure every human in their right mind would NOT think all of a sudden to go on a killing spree or rape women for fun.

This rule applies to everyone, whether Muslim or not so therefore your argument is invalid.

[kiran]

You can't use that as an excuse. I'm pretty sure every human in their right mind would NOT think all of a sudden to go on a killing spree or rape women for fun.

This rule applies to everyone, whether Muslim or not so therefore your argument is invalid.

K

[DaZahroJaam.]

Its not that you dreamed it, its that your making it up. Thats all a myth to rally western public support to invade and occupy afghanistan. Stop wasting my tax dollars and fooling Americans on this senseless war. Enough is enough.
Ghosts of Afghanistan: Hard Truths and Foreign Myths - Google Books

you do not want to agree or believe what i have seen with my own eyes but you want me to take someone else's idea of the truth which happened to have been printed and formed in to a book as a reliable source?? who the **** do you think you are??
everyone knows that american forces are westernized version of taliban. your loyalty to taliban perpetuates them and gives them the opportunity to continue with their invasion in afghanistan. by supporting those lice heads, YOU choose for YOUR tax money to pay americans to remain in afghanistan and continue raping and murdering afghans. if you weren't such a beghairat, at least you would move out of that country so your tax money could go to some other cause. or maybe you are redeeming yourself by paying your zakat to some secret islamic charity organization..

[khushal]

you do not want to agree or believe what i have seen with my own eyes but you want me to take someone else's idea of the truth which happened to have been printed and formed in to a book as a reliable source?? who the **** do you think you are??
everyone knows that american forces are westernized version of taliban. your loyalty to taliban perpetuates them and gives them the opportunity to continue with their invasion in afghanistan. by supporting those lice heads, YOU choose for YOUR tax money to pay americans to remain in afghanistan and continue raping and murdering afghans. if you weren't such a beghairat, at least you would move out of that country so your tax money could go to some other cause. or maybe you are redeeming yourself by paying your zakat to some secret islamic charity organization..

hahaha, now your using the Karzai trick by telling afghans that the Americans wont leave because of the Taliban. He is trying to deflect public anger from his collaboration with foreign forces and pin it on the Taliban. He is trying to say "Hey afghans, just bend over and let them screw you so they can be satisfied and maybe they will leave like I(Karzai) bended over." Your preaching the same baighyrat message. FYI, afghans disregard baighyrat messages.
The resistance is bigger than the Taliban, Mullah Omar and the Americans combined. Its impossible to control as long as foreign forces are protecting corrupt people and child molesters and no trickery would work. The peoples desire for justice wont stop until the corrupt people and child molesters are brought to justice.

[Tjanaparh]

All things concerning education are very delicate. Reading books and going to school =/= education.
I wish Pashtuns find the way to give education and maintain their identity and roots.
Things that happen in Afghanistan have the root in history and specially the recent one too.
I think it is clear that it is impossible to say that Talibs are Islamic scholars, simply because so many "Talibs" are simple people, perhaps ignorant people, and the way many live specially is not exactly that of a Scholar hat sits down and has time to study in deepness.
To me all waht happened is not ruted in Pashtun traditions, at least from how preislamic Afghanistan is described in Armenian fonts is different in many ways to that. What led to these extreme reactions is partly due to incapability to react on fast time changes in an extreme way, same things did happen not only in Afghanistan, but in many places where an ethnic group of simple lifestyle is continously under military pressure of an enemy with technological advances. Forbiding education is a defensive reaction and is not obviously a tradition, as in the way it is posed it perhaps didn't exist before. It is related to fears and problems.
Things will obviously change with time, but how?
Your society is very vulnerable at the moment, a situationthat can be used against You in many ways.
So attention is needed "education" is the most serious part of the dvelopement of the society and hopefully it will be treated in the right way not simply as a label.

Forbiding education, specially under fear of losing life is a crime, i think there is nobody here to disagree.
But under the mask of "education"-label trying to influence people is alsoa serious crime. And while the first is evident and easier to detect, the second becomes a serious problem.

You may hate me on what i say now, but my wish to You is the following:
Do not reject your society, heal it, study and understand it, do not destroy all for the price of one!

I hope to be understood..
Aliq

[DaZahroJaam.]

hahaha, now your using the Karzai trick by telling afghans that the Americans wont leave because of the Taliban. He is trying to deflect public anger from his corroboration with foreign forces and pin it on the Taliban. He is trying to say "Hey afghans, just bend over and let them screw you so they can be satisfied and maybe they will leave like I(Karzai) bended over." Your preaching the same baighyrat message. FYI, afghans disregard baighyrat messages.
The resistance is bigger than the Taliban, Mullah Omar and the Americans combined. Its impossible to control as long as foreign forces are protecting corrupt people and child molesters and no trickery would work. The peoples desire for justice wont stop until the corrupt people and child molesters are brought to justice.

"these people" have been fighting each other for so long because these people never had a collective idea of what they wanted. these people are used to always fighting for the biggest piece but when someone else came and took it all, of course they faught and resisted. and it had nothing to do with ghairat or concern for the country, the ordinary man or the rest of the nation, it simply had to do with their own greed. okay?? these people can't wait for the americans to leave so they can start ripping the country apart and have their own little shares of it. this resistance has nothing to do with their ghairats but their greed to stop afghanistan from forming a government of it's own that would be able to resist "these people" someday. the afghan government is paying a big price for that one little ray of hope and even that is being ****ed by "these people" in the name of ghairat and what not. if they had not displayed their ghairat by blowing themselves in the middle of streets, schools and mosques, the americans would have long been gone.

afghanistan-sick frail patient
america-chemotearapy
taliban-cancer

go figure it out.

o, and could you kindly tell me what this is??

[khushal]

^^your using the karzai trick, I already explained it. You naively think the americans actually are there to stop the misery of afghans, if that was true then why would they put child molesters running the interior ministry and defence ministry not to mention governors of provences.

Plus your analogy of patient-chemo-cancer is all wrong. The taliban are indigenous and the americans are foreigners. The body of the patient rejects foreign bacteria and organisms.