Kashmir

[JattApache]

Kashmiri itself is a rare language in Pakistan.

Punjabi with a lot of Farsi, that's what all the Kashmiris I have ever met spoke.

Well only the mirpuris speak punjabi in kashmir, punjabi is also used near jammu.
Because mirpruris ARE punjabis, mirpur was a gift given by Ranjit singh to the kashmiri raja.

I don't want to create a debate about pakistan/india. I'm not an extremist,
Pakistani have their own kashmir ( AJK, northern areas )
Indians have their own kashmir ( Jammu&kashmir, Ladakh )

If kashmir become an independant state, it will be a very poor country.

[asad71]

Kashmiris are fond of saying, if you haven't traveled the Jammu - Srinagar Road then you haven't been born!

[asad71]

I met sardar Ibrahim khan suddan in rawlakot back in 1994. He was the first president of Kashmir that is linked to Pakistan. He told me that suddan people of western Kashmir are of afghan ancestry. Suddan referring to sadozai.

In homes the rawlakot Kashmiri speak pahari, which is quite distinct from mirpuri and kotli people who speak a dialect of punjabi/lahnda. Pahari is spoken behond muzafarabad, towards poonch, binjusa, rawlakot, rehara areas.

Kashmiri is even more linguistically remote language.

Pre-Mujahedeen days the Kashmiris were considered peaceable who avoided violence. The British had termed them "non-martial". Only the Suddans were considered a warlike lot. In 1950s the Suddans had revolted against Pakistani irregularities. A lot of them were killed in that revilt.

[Master Khan]

Kashmir should have independence from Pakiz and Indians.
Both Countries don't deserve it.

[A.Alraeesi]

I had a Kashmiri teacher who used to tell us stories about Kashmir and how beautiful is Kashmir

[JattApache]

[faye]

Well only the mirpuris speak punjabi in kashmir, punjabi is also used near jammu.
Because mirpruris ARE punjabis, mirpur was a gift given by Ranjit singh to the kashmiri raja.

I don't want to create a debate about pakistan/india. I'm not an extremist,
Pakistani have their own kashmir ( AJK, northern areas )
Indians have their own kashmir ( Jammu&kashmir, Ladakh )

If kashmir become an independant state, it will be a very poor country.

why would kashmir become poor? isn't it poor at the moment?
maybe it would get support from others, like china, to develop.
it did have and still has, great potential for tourism, which can be good economically, but while india and pakistan each have 'their piece of the pie' as you point out, kashmir will remain a sad case. no one wants to go to kashmir while these 2 governments are being morons and squabbling over it.

[JattApache]

how so? I agree they were hindus at one point but their culture/language have always been pretty different from main land indians.

Well, all the teritories east/south of the Indus river form part of the indic/hindustani heritage.

[Karachi]

^ historically maybe, but that's not true for today, a place like Srinagar is defiantly not indic, even western areas of punjab near the indus are somewhat pashtun/baloch influenced

[JattApache]

^ historically maybe, but that's not true for today, a place like Srinagar is defiantly not indic, even western areas of punjab near the indus are somewhat pashtun/baloch influenced

They are humans, this is the most important thing, no karachi ?

[Karachi]

^ that's not the argument here einstein

[JattApache]

^ that's not the argument here einstein

It wasn't an argument einstein , it's a fact.