Begging won’t budge Bharat

[AmitRazdan]

once india regains whole kashmir it will be integral part. Legally india owns it

[Michin Khel]

I have met many kashmiris, they are happy in pakistan and they dont want to be part of india.

[AmitRazdan]

Thanks to Pashtuns , Pakistan has 1/3 of it already.

It was a suprise when the pashtuns invaded, it caught india by suprise, but india fought back. If pashtuns invade again there is only gonna be one winner

[AmitRazdan]

I have met many kashmiris, they are happy in pakistan and they dont want to be part of india.

those are kashmiris from azad kashmir, they are not real thnic kashmiris

[AmitRazdan]

62 years and Indian couldnt take it back!

Its not as easy as just going into pakistan and start taking it. There is a line of control (LOC) that is recognised after the 2nd kashmir war. India only started sending troops into kashmir in 1990 as militancy started increasing and in the last few years there has been less militants, so india is doing well to try and wipe terrorism out of the valley. One this is done, then India tell pak to give it up or face 4th kashmir war

[Espresso]

It is not hatred it is love, it is faith, it is our commitment and it is our pledge before the UN Security Council at the multi page application of Bharati PM Pundit Jawahar Lal Nehru to claim freedom for our brothers Kashmiris, come what may!!!

Mr. Amit, foreign territories cannot be digested!!! e.g. Makao, Hong Kong, & six Muslim States from the then USSR!!!
The most fitting key to the bleeding deadlock of Kashmir lies in the hands of none but of our Muslim brethren, the Arab Muslims, considered the core of the Muslim Ummah and we have always been partaking more than them, with great pride in their every odd and have been paying awesomely, the heaviest price, in shape of the longstanding evil nexus of the Jews and Hindus. Both the evil twins collaborating with each other roundly so much so that the last nuclear blast during the Pokharan II, in May 1998, was of the Jewish nuclear device, conducted for them jointly, for the Israelis territory cannot afford to abort the nuclear fecundity.
If these highly esteemed Muslim brethren simply announce a symbolic boycott against a few luxurious bharati export items, the penny-pincher Hindus would get in senses in a jiffy.

India invaded kashmir in 1948. YOu should know your history.
P.s you know alot , what are you , some kind of think tank?
Dont forget that Pakistan has enough of nukes to blow up whole India. I dont think it would be an easy war or India will survive it.

OK cut it short pakistan want's kashmir or to free it from Indian rule , plebiscite etc solution is simple come fight & take it or make India comply or free it from Indian rule if you can bottom line

remember empty vessel make's the most noise" the world is for those who conquers their goal's those who "walks the talk" & not for those who talk's the walk

sorry but thats just the way reality works hey after all as they say life aint fair..... take it or leave it

[drona]

Shadow Caster,

Your mind is filled with so much Pakistani propaganda and hatred against India that I am not even try to detoxify it .

BTW make sure that Pakistan doesn't blow itself up before trying to "blow up whole India".

Can you tell me if there is something special in Pakistan's water because of which Pakistanis all over the world keep trying to "blow up" innocent women and kids ?

Here's what happened today :
Pakistani-American Farooque Ahmed arrested over Washington subway bomb plot | The Australian

Another "son of Pakistan", eh ?

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[drona]

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Unknownprince,

Why would CIA want to mess around with their best ally : Pakistan. Also please look at this map:
Terror Map | Pakistan Terror Map | Pakistan Terrorist Attacks Map

Surely if they had to malign Islam, they could cook up similar charges against Muslims from their enemy country. Eg: Iran.

Why are only Pakistanis dumb enough to caught in their web: again and again and again all over the world ?

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[drona]

BTW if you have read my posts you will realize that I am no admirer of US.

And there are lots of good and intelligent Pakistanis.

But there is also a significant fraction of Population who are just too dumb to realize what's good for them and indulge in all these stupid attempts .

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[drona]

unknownprince,

The problem with people like you who view every political issue through the lens of their religion, is that everything is black and white. But real life isn't that simple. Nothing is as good-evil as it seems and sometimes one has to choose between "greater good" and "lesser good". More often than not the choice is between lesser of the two evils.

You pass judgment on Indian state because of HR violations in Kashmir Valley without taking into consideration the history of this very complex issue. These violations are certainly condemnable. But why don't you analyze Kashmir's historical context ? As I have pointed out many times:

1. J&K is *very* strategically important territory. Most of the rivers that water North India originate here. Moreover every invasion from the west took place through this region. India can not afford to give up its control to a hostile power like Pakistan/China.

2. J&K would have stayed independent if Pakistan hadn't invaded it in in 1948. However, after the tribal invasion, India had no choice but to consolidate its own control because of strategic imperatives I have mentioned in (1)

3. For 40 years there was no Army posted in Kashmir valley. It wasn't an utopia but certainly there were no HR violations and Kashmiris had more political and economic rights than other Indians.

4. It was Pakistan that trained and sent the terrorists in 1989, which compelled India to send troops to fight them.

5. If Pakistan stops sending terrorists today, India will withdraw all troops from the urban areas. Within 5-10 years perfect normalcy will return back to Kashmir.

Most Kashmiris do not want freedom from India, but from Indian soldiers. If Pakistan stops sending terrorists, they will get this freedom. However, it will never do this because it doesn't want whats good for Kashmir. Its agenda is Kashmir Banega Pakistan.

Finally, your sympathies for 5 million Kashmiri Muslims are laudable. But why don't you spare a thought for 300-400,000 Hindus were driven out of the Valley, because the separatists felt the need to "purify" the valley of their unclean presence.

Why don't you think about 150 million Muslims who are living in other parts of India ? Presently, Muslims can practice and preach their religion with complete freedom. Indeed Islam is the fastest growing religion in India. In 1947, Muslim population was 10%, presently its 16%. However, Kashmir insurgency has contributed directly to the rise of right wing nationalism. Some Hindu lunatics [ who very few take seriously] say that Islam is evil because whenever Muslims are in majority, they kill/convert forcibly the minorities. Therefore the growth of Islam needs to be stopped in India. Do you really want such people to gain more legitimacy by supporting a fascist movement which started with eradicating the biggest minority in the Valley ?

Have you thought about how Hindu-Muslim relations will be affected in rest of the India if Kashmir Valley gains "freedom" ? Pakistan's wet-dream is to start a Civil War between 150 million Muslims and 800 million Hindus of India, I hope you also don't have such fantasies.


~Drona

[drona]

BTW what India is doing in Kashmir is not the same as what Pakistan has done to Pashtuns.

In order to achieve that "honor", all India had to do in 1989 when the insurgency started was to use :

1. Helicopter gunships

2. Heavy artillery

3. Aerial bombings [ drone attacks]

and destroy 3-4 towns in Kashmir Valley where separatists have most support. 3-4 million Kashmiris could easily be "resettled" in various cities of India as "IDPs".

This is what Pakistan is doing to Pashtuns [and Balochs].

But Indian security personnel have never employed a weapon bigger than AK-47 or INSAS rifle.

Also there is minimal press coverage of tribal areas, Kashmir is totally open to international media.

We have draconian laws like AFSPA in the Valley but it is nothing compared to Frontiers Crimes Regulations

But such nuances and subtleties are probably lost on you .

~Drona

[drona]

lol how old are you pathan sahib ? 5 ?

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[AmitRazdan]

Kashmir is divided and everybody wants different things. In Northern areas ppl there dont consider themselvse kashmiris and want their own state. People in the valley want freedom.

That video doesn't mean anything. In england we have the BNP, and can see videos that they dont want Asians in the country. These ppl are minority. The kashmiris that want to merge with pakistan is minority population.

[AmitRazdan]

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