pata khazana a fraud?

[Tamim]

Dr Sadiq Fitrat Nashenas has recently expressed his belief that Pata Khazana is a complete fraud and that the Pashtu language does not have a deep or rich history as does the Farsi language.


What is the opinion of the learned people on this subject, does anyone know?


Here is the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da_hVo-BC60&feature=youtu.be&t=854

[Sarbani]

It's been pretty obvious that it's a fraud for ages.

[Tamim]

if that were the case, that it has "been pretty obvious," then why is there so much fuss about this matter, i.e. the language superiority of the pashtu language over farsi/dari. It has destroyed Afghanistan.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

if that were the case, that it has "been pretty obvious," then why is there so much fuss about this matter, i.e. the language superiority of the pashtu language over farsi/dari. It has destroyed Afghanistan.

Because it's been politicized as a justification for pushing Pashto on non-Pashtuns in Afghanistan

[Tamim]

thank you for the help.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

thank you for the help.

Actually, I should say more accurately, language and the Primacy of Pashto was used as a justifcation to marginalize Non-Pashtuns.

Afghan Mellat and other Pashto-centric groups push idealized narratives of Pashto history to claim Pashtuns were a historically established peoples that has this continuuum of authority in the region.

[maneatinglizard]

the Pashtu language does not have a deep or rich history as does the Farsi language.

It's pretty obvious this is true, regardless of whether or not Pata Khazana is real.

Farsi was the lingua franca of much of the Muslim world for around a thousand years, while Pashto has never been important beyond areas with a large Pashtun population, so how could anyone expect the two languages to have similar legacies or histories?

[Akbar]

It's pretty obvious this is true, regardless of whether or not Pata Khazana is real.

Farsi was the lingua franca of much of the Muslim world for around a thousand years, while Pashto has never been important beyond areas with a large Pashtun population, so how could anyone expect the two languages to have similar legacies or histories?

Much of the Muslim world? That's not true.
Even the language of Iran was Arabic during the Islamic rule. The furthest Persian has gone is central and south Asia. All thanks to turkic peoples and pashtuns. What is your take on pashto language? Did it one day fell down from the sky? How is it not true that pashto is a more unique and pure language than Persian? Persians use alot of Arabic words.How can you be sure that pata Khazana is forgery? I think it has become a fashion to attack pashtuns on various fields.

[Akbar]

Actually, I should say more accurately, language and the Primacy of Pashto was used as a justifcation to marginalize Non-Pashtuns.

Afghan Mellat and other Pashto-centric groups push idealized narratives of Pashto history to claim Pashtuns were a historically established peoples that has this continuuum of authority in the region.

Where did you get this from? Do you have any sources or evidence for your claims?

[Akbar]

thank you for the help.

What did you actually needed the help with? How does this concern you?

[Akbar]

It's been pretty obvious that it's a fraud for ages.

What is the obvious evidence ?

[torkham]

Dr Sadiq Fitrat Nashenas has recently expressed his belief that Pata Khazana is a complete fraud and that the Pashtu language does not have a deep or rich history as does the Farsi language.


What is the opinion of the learned people on this subject, does anyone know?


Here is the video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da_h...youtu.be&t=854

Interesting Dr Sadiq Fitrat Nashenas (not any more)) saeb make this announcement. Having just watched the flick 'The Professor and the madman' about the compilation of the Oxford English Dictionary, I was reminded of the evolutionary nature of language and the time it takes to change.

Indeed there is sufficient evidence from which Farsi can be dated (biographies of the famous poets for instance) and there is some such evidence for Pashto, it alone cannot preclude Pashto from being an ancient language of this region. Language takes time to evolve and the historic Pashtun home lands were within the Suleiman range and Farah in the west, and Pashto is confined laterally to this range; it has not expanded farther.

When I lived in Hamburg, I recall people of Schleswig-Holstein speaking Plattdeutsche, which almost sounded English. Point is the Old German changed within 500 years to Old English as the Angles moved between Schlesweg-Holstein and Britain, across a narrow sea.

Pashtun homelands remained confined between major empires, the Persian on the west and the Delhi Sultanate and Mughal Empire to the east, and their language stayed there with them/us. So If our ancestors did not take Pashto farther, it must have evolved here. There must have been a Proto-Pashto too. Taking example of Old German becoming Old English within a 1000 years due to migrations and intermediate language (Plattdeutsche), there is no example available of an intermediate language between old Pashto and Farsi or old Pashto and Hindi.

This gives greater credence to Pashto being an old language of this region with no intermediate linguistic changes. What is missing is literary evidence to date Old Pashto beyond several centuries.

Any language experts out there. Anyone from Pashto Academy of Kabul or Peshawar here to shed light?

[Akbar]

Interesting Dr Sadiq Fitrat Nashenas (not any more)) saeb make this announcement. Having just watched the flick 'The Professor and the madman' about the compilation of the Oxford English Dictionary, I was reminded of the evolutionary nature of language and the time it takes to change.

Indeed there is sufficient evidence from which Farsi can be dated (biographies of the famous poets for instance) and there is some such evidence for Pashto, it alone cannot preclude Pashto from being an ancient language of this region. Language takes time to evolve and the historic Pashtun home lands were within the Suleiman range and Farah in the west, and Pashto is confined laterally to this range; it has not expanded farther.

When I lived in Hamburg, I recall people of Schleswig-Holstein speaking Plattdeutsche, which almost sounded English. Point is the Old German changed within 500 years to Old English as the Angles moved between Schlesweg-Holstein and Britain, across a narrow sea.

Pashtun homelands remained confined between major empires, the Persian on the west and the Delhi Sultanate and Mughal Empire to the east, and their language stayed there with them/us. So If our ancestors did not take Pashto farther, it must have evolved here. There must have been a Proto-Pashto too. Taking example of Old German becoming Old English within a 1000 years due to migrations and intermediate language (Plattdeutsche), there is no example available of an intermediate language between old Pashto and Farsi or old Pashto and Hindi.

This gives greater credence to Pashto being an old language of this region with no intermediate linguistic changes. What is missing is literary evidence to date Old Pashto beyond several centuries.

Any language experts out there. Anyone from Pashto Academy of Kabul or Peshawar here to shed light?

Pashto language is very sophisticated and a very great language. Just take a look it its grammer. It resembles a bit like german grammer.

Pashto, pakhto,pishto,pukhto, shows how the language changes from area to area. Southern people speak pashto with alot of ښ sounds like germans, eastern people speak pukhto/pakhto which has alot of خ sounds like Dutch.
Pashto is to me sounds more sophisticated and developed than Persian.

There should be more investigation done to see if we had an ancient script.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

The merits of the Pashto language are not contingent on the merits of Pata Khizana, it's time Pashtuns emphasize the importance of scholarly rigor and academic authenticity rather than simply rely on narratives and concoctions.

It'll help studies about Pashto be taken more seriously when we distance ourselves from questionable references that appear to have been created for political agendas.

[Samandri]

http://www.barmazid.com/2019/04/pata-khazana-forgery.html

Iblis_Efreetzai