Idiot gets kicked out of TV studio in Egypt

[Akbar]

I think it is idiotic behaviour for such atheists to claim the non exisance of the creator while claiming scientific backing.
Atheism itself is a religion based on blind faith and is definately not based on rational thought. It is rather lack of rationalism and open mindness that leads to such a conclusion.

Egyptian TV Host Kicks Atheist Out of Studio, Recommending Psychiatric Treatment - YouTube

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Not defending the Atheist, but all the guy did was sit there and explain that he didn't believe in God and the host and Sheikh got hostile ....the Atheist actually behaved civil and respectful ....

[Qami]

Not defending the Atheist, but all the guy did was sit there and explain that he didn't believe in God and the host and Sheikh got hostile ....the Atheist actually behaved civil and respectful ....

I agree , Atheism is often really like a religion, but instead of throwing him out i hoped that adicussion would follow. Instead they even seemed to fear him.
That isn't a serious approach

[maneatinglizard]

This is from MEMRI TV. They’re an Israeli funded think tank that translates media from Muslim countries with an agenda to portray Muslims as barbaric, evil, etc. They frequently mistranslate things (or exaggerate) and use deceptive clipping techniques to make the subjects look bad.

I can’t understand Egyptian Arabic (not even sure why they weren’t speaking in Fusha), so I can’t comment on the quality of the translation, but the clip is clearly cut up in multiple places, and I wouldn’t be surprised if the Muslims would look more reasonable if they presented the entire thing unedited. Instead, they make it seem like they allowed the atheist to say a few words and then just went on a rant on how he must be insane.

The atheist guy comes across as a moron, by the way. “I don’t believe in God because there’s no scientific evidence”? “English is the language of science”? Even the few words they did include of his in this video put him in a bad light.

And of course, the comment section is full of hate towards Muslims from people who can’t even tell when a video is edited LOL.

[maneatinglizard]

Here’s the whole video:
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The entire segment is actually 16 minutes long, and the atheist has plenty of chances to talk.

[Firdousi]

God bless Egypt. Its an endless source of laughter and entertainment lol I have mingled a lot with them in Dubai. They are by far the most hilarious, sweet-talker and embarrassing people I have ever met. I love them lol

BTW this was 100% uncalled for. It doesnt help Islam. A smart and educated Muslim would be able to refute his claims easily. This video is a proof of Islamic bigotry, lack of education and stupidity. We lack of proper aleems, a rational discourse for modernity and smart people. Failure.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

The part where he says ENglish is the language of science is when the host gets bent out of shape because he mentions the Big Bang....There's no equivalent in Arabic for "big bang" unless you translate it literally. But no current term that refers to the theory. Most modern scientific literature is done through English, German, French, Russian and to a lesser degree Chinese/Japanese. So he's not entirely accurate saying that, but this is why he said this. It wasn't some naive sycophantic remark.


I just watched part of the full video, while I can't say I understood everything; the sort of condescending remarks that the host and the Sheikh were making were much less civil. He actually tried to explain himself many times to which the Sheikh and Host kept interrupting or making remarks. When someone is explaining something ....it's best to let them explain, not interject every 30 seconds when they're trying to answer.


Anyways, as I said, I'm not on the side of the Atheist; I do get the impression that he has that "third world inferiority complex" and is more peruaded by the prestige that "smart westerners are Atheists so I should be too, because reasons". But he at least knows their talking points and can relay them in some sort of cogent manner.

The Muslims here and sadly in general are showing that they're intellectually incapable of tackling different challenges and this only hurts Islam, because not only do Non-Muslims see this, Young Muslims see this, and how will they be persuaded if people who present themselves as our "scholars" can't act scholarly........Islamic Philosophers of the past could address many of these talking points in a very methodical and erudite way .......This is why I am much more inclined to Mu'tazilah than to Orthodoxy, because even though Mu'tazilah aren't right about eveyrthing, they are right about one thing; one needs to have some type of rational foundation for endorsing the ideas you adhere to and should be able to put those ideas under challenge. They did not simply act outraged and get emotional. That's not how a sound intelligent discussion works.

Yeah we do that stuff here because most of us are dealing with low-brow nonsense from people with all sort personal neuroses ....this however is something that requires serious intellectual reflection ...not theatrics.

[maneatinglizard]

The part where he says ENglish is the language of science is when the host gets bent out of shape because he mentions the Big Bang....There's no equivalent in Arabic for "big bang" unless you translate it literally. But no current term that refers to the theory.

Not true. The Arabic term for it is "al-Infijar al-`Atheem." Here's the Wikipedia article about it: الانفجار العظيم. The atheist even says it right after he calls it the "Big Bang," so he knew what it was in Arabic, which isn't surprising because education in Egypt is in Arabic in most schools. But he chose to use the English term because it made him feel smarter. That's not the first time he did it either. Dude was randomly throwing in English prior to that too.

Egypt is not a country with tons of English speakers. According to Wikipedia it's only 35%. He isn't from a place like Pakistan where people learn science in English.

Also, it wasn't the Big Bang remark that set the host off. If you watch the whole clip, it happens later but I can barely understand Egyptian Arabic so I'm not sure why he starts ranting.

Most modern scientific literature is done through English, German, French, Russian and to a lesser degree Chinese/Japanese. So he's not entirely accurate saying that, but this is why he said this. It wasn't some naive sycophantic remark.

True, but he knows the Arabic term, so why use the English one to Arabic speakers on an Arabic show? Why use phrases like "whatever"? What relation does that have to science?

I just watched part of the full video, while I can't say I understood everything; the sort of condescending remarks that the host and the Sheikh were making were much less civil. He actually tried to explain himself many times to which the Sheikh and Host kept interrupting or making remarks. When someone is explaining something ....it's best to let them explain, not interject every 30 seconds when they're trying to answer.

Actually it was the host doing that. The Shaikh remained calm throughout the entire awkward interview. In fact, if you listen closely to the full video, the Shaikh keeps saying "Ustaz" to the host when he starts going on his rant, trying to calm him down and stop ranting. The host then ends up interrupting Shaikh Ashoor too and doesn't let him talk to the atheist.

Anyways, as I said, I'm not on the side of the Atheist; I do get the impression that he has that "third world inferiority complex" and is more peruaded by the prestige that "smart westerners are Atheists so I should be too, because reasons". But he at least knows their talking points and can relay them in some sort of cogent manner.

His argument basically boiled down to "I'm an atheist cuz lol science." Granted, he wasn't given too much of a chance to explain his position (partly because the host's rant). But let's be honest: 15 minutes on some talk show isn't going to give anyone a chance to adequately present their opinion on such a topic.

I don't know why the show directors would bother with this segment. There's no way you'd get a good conversation going in 15 minutes, with a hotheaded host and a seemingly clueless random atheist. It almost feels like they wanted to create a negative reaction to Islam.

The Muslims here and sadly in general are showing that they're intellectually incapable of tackling different challenges and this only hurts Islam, because not only do Non-Muslims see this, Young Muslims see this, and how will they be persuaded if people who present themselves as our "scholars" can't act scholarly........Islamic Philosophers of the past could address many of these talking points in a very methodical and erudite way

Not all scholars though. Scholars of the past seem better than those of today because no one wrote books about the random village mullah that barely knows his alif ba ta. We only remember the greatest scholars, while the scholars we deal with on a daily basis are the mediocre ones that will be forgotten to the pages of history.

There are scholars today who can deal with the issues of today, but they are in the minority.

One thing I do agree with, though, is that the top contemporary scholars largely have no idea how to deal with modern anti-Islamic movements like new atheism and "scienceism." Inshallah the next generation of scholars are better able to deal with issues better than the current one, because right now it's people like Daniel Haqiqatjou who are best tackling the modern movements, not scholars.

.......This is why I am much more inclined to Mu'tazilah than to Orthodoxy, because even though Mu'tazilah aren't right about eveyrthing, they are right about one thing; one needs to have some type of rational foundation for endorsing the ideas you adhere to and should be able to put those ideas under challenge. They did not simply act outraged and get emotional. That's not how a sound intelligent discussion works.

It's only the Wahabis that disagree with you on that point, and Wahabism is on the decline.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Not true. The Arabic term for it is "al-Infijar al-`Atheem." Here's the Wikipedia article about it: الانفجار العظيم.

That's a LITERAL Translation; of "Big Bang" Infijar is like what happens when dynamite explodes. This is what I mean "Big Bang" is a figurative term. If you say "infijar" people would think it's talking about a huge explosion. That's not what the big bang actually was, reason being is that explosions happen from a central location in space; but the Big Bang was actually a warping of space itself that gave rise to matter.

That's exactly what I said, there's no way to translate Big Bang other than being literal. People would think he's actually talking about some type of combustive process.

Egypt is not a country with tons of English speakers. According to Wikipedia it's only 35%. He isn't from a place like Pakistan where people learn science in English.

People don't speak fluently, but in most cities English is pretty widespread in Egypt, especially in Cairo and Alexandria. Egyptians have a large Falaheen and Bedouin community, but generally they don't have access to TVs/media as readily.

True, but he knows the Arabic term, so why use the English one to Arabic speakers on an Arabic show? Why use phrases like "whatever"? What relation does that have to science?

= the Arabic term is not an idiom; the audience would have taken it literally. Big Bang is an idiom referring to a specific concept.

Actually it was the host doing that. The Shaikh remained calm throughout the entire awkward interview. In fact, if you listen closely to the full video, the Shaikh keeps saying "Ustaz" to the host when he starts going on his rant, trying to calm him down and stop ranting. The host then ends up interrupting Shaikh Ashoor too and doesn't let him talk to the atheist

Perhaps the Sheikh was more reserved, but he still insisted that this person needs psychiatric help. You know if you told people in America you believe in invisible beings named Jinn made of smokeless fire, they'd say you need psychiatric help. The point being here is that, this is used as a way to deride people.

Sure we deride people all the time here when they join to act out their kookiness, but this is an intellect based discourse. We don't throw around remarks like that in intellect based discourse because it'll make us look like we're incompetent and trying to obfuscate things.

This person doesn't need psychiatric help. he needs a intellectually sound response; neither of these men offered that, they just preached, Using out-dated dawa'ah techniques that hold almost no relevance to a modern literate audience.

His argument basically boiled down to "I'm an atheist cuz lol science." Granted, he wasn't given too much of a chance to explain his position (partly because the host's rant). But let's be honest: 15 minutes on some talk show isn't going to give anyone a chance to adequately present their opinion on such a topic.

You're right, he very naively co-opts science ....which he kind of has a very subtle implicit appeal to authority; because there's a prestige associated with scientists "oh they're smart and have big degrees, they know everything". But yes he wasn't given a chance to explain where he saw science providing a more comprehensive explanation for big questions.

I don't know why the show directors would bother with this segment. There's no way you'd get a good conversation going in 15 minutes, with a hotheaded host and a seemingly clueless random atheist. It almost feels like they wanted to create a negative reaction to Islam.

There are scholars today who can deal with the issues of today, but they are in the minority.

That's what I mean, most of our scholarship is poorly equipped to deal with modern challenges other than scare tactics and badgering. I think Sheikh Abdul Hakim Murad does a pretty sound job, but these Al-Azhar "you can work with a a woman if she breast feeds you)" types have lost it.

One thing I do agree with, though, is that the top contemporary scholars largely have no idea how to deal with modern anti-Islamic movements like new atheism and "scienceism." Inshallah the next generation of scholars are better able to deal with issues better than the current one, because right now it's people like Daniel Haqiqatjou who are best tackling the modern movements, not scholars.

I hope so or else the Islamic society is basically on the verge of erasure. Then again, I recall there were some prophecizes that people will openly abandon Islam and that Islam will become a minority religion in the world. \

It's only the Wahabis that disagree with you on that point, and Wahabism is on the decline.

The modern Kharej are self destructive, they rather sink to the bottom than violate some unrealistic goal post.