Pashtuns wearing Hindu dhoti garment

[a.s.takhar]

In old photos of Pashtun tribesman from Afghanistan and KPK, I have seen some men wearing Hindu dhoti garment.

This is indicating that many, or at least some, Pashtun tribes must have been of Hindu origin because dhoti is not a dress of Iranic people.

Like this.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Yep it's Killzai lol

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Everyone, don't even acknowledge this seriously, this is just a bait topic. You can see similar garments even in Old Pics of Iran and even Turkey.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

This only proves that Indics are all Afghan wannabes, see they even try to copy our fashion lol

[jama0112]

Even though we're obviousily NOT considered indics, it's kinda not impossible though. SOme pahstuns do have hindu/indic ancestry. I mean, weren't arachosians called white indians?

[jama0112]

But the guy on the left kinda look mongoloid/hazara to me. Sure they all were pahstuns?

[Charsi Malang]

In old photos of Pashtun tribesman from Afghanistan and KPK, I have seen some men wearing Hindu dhoti garment.

This is indicating that many, or at least some, Pashtun tribes must have been of Hindu origin because dhoti is not a dress of Iranic people.

Like this.

They’re not wearing dhoti like garments. It’s a very large “partooga” with very wide bottoms.

Amazing how some people on here make the biggest claims based on the slightest piece of incorrect information.

[Elite Pakhtun]

This only proves that Indics are all Afghan wannabes, see they even try to copy our fashion lol

Don't call Pashtuns Afghans. That gives the impression it's got something to do with Afghanistan the country. As we know, Afghanistan has a small segment of the population.

[maneatinglizard]

Don't call Pashtuns Afghans. That gives the impression it's got something to do with Afghanistan the country. As we know, Afghanistan has a small segment of the population.

Pashtuns are Afghans though. We're not going to demand Afghan Tajiks find a new name for themselves just because Tajikistan exists, and neither will we stop referring to ourselves as Afghans just because not all Pashtuns are Afghan nationals.

And it doesn't matter that there may be more Pashtuns in Pakistan. This whole Indic obsession with numbers is pointless. The traditional homeland of Pashtuns is mostly in Afghanistan, and the centers of Pashtun culture and language are there as well. And frankly, I have doubts about the narrative that the vast majority of Pashtuns are in Pakistan. There hasn't been a census in Afghanistan in almost 40 years, Pakistan's census numbers are always disputed, and a lot of the "Pashtuns" in Pakistan are probably just natives/Punjabis that speak Pashto. Pakistan probably does have more Pashtuns than Afghanistan, but I doubt the difference is as high as the estimates suggest.

[Traveller]

Pashtuns are Afghans though. We're not going to demand Afghan Tajiks find a new name for themselves just because Tajikistan exists, and neither will we stop referring to ourselves as Afghans just because not all Pashtuns are Afghan nationals.

And it doesn't matter that there may be more Pashtuns in Pakistan. This whole Indic obsession with numbers is pointless. The traditional homeland of Pashtuns is mostly in Afghanistan, and the centers of Pashtun culture and language are there as well. And frankly, I have doubts about the narrative that the vast majority of Pashtuns are in Pakistan. There hasn't been a census in Afghanistan in almost 40 years, Pakistan's census numbers are always disputed, and a lot of the "Pashtuns" in Pakistan are probably just natives/Punjabis that speak Pashto. Pakistan probably does have more Pashtuns than Afghanistan, but I doubt the difference is as high as the estimates suggest.

Peshawar and Quetta aren't centers of Pashtun language and culture? I agree that Pashto has weakened in Pakistani Pashtunkhwa due to it's lack of official status but (proper)Peshawari Pashto is one of the standard forms of the Pashto language. And Quetta is a very historic Pashtun city.

Also in my opinion the Pashtunized natives are Pashtuns at this point as most of them have completely forgotten their original language and culture.

I do agree with the rest of your post though. Afghanistan will always be the real Pashtun country and Pakistan will always be an Indian Muslim country. Pashtuns are the second largest ethnicity in Pakistan but we still have little influence on our country's national culture.

I would also like to add that there are more Tajiks in Afghanistan than in Tajikistan but you don't see Tajikistani Tajiks dropping the Tajik label. Pashtuns are Afghan whether they are in Afghanistan or Pakistan.

[maneatinglizard]

Peshawar and Quetta aren't centers of Pashtun language and culture?

I didn't say they weren't, but my sentence was worded poorly so I understand why you thought that I did. I meant most are in Afghanistan.

Though it seems most discourse coming out of Peshawar isn't really Pashtun in nature. While it's easy to understand why that'd be the case with Paki nationalists and Gul Khans, what's really odd to me is even the supposedly nationalist Pashtuns don't act or speak like Pashtuns. Case in point: ANP. Most of what I've read from educated Pashtuns in Peshawar, resembles Indian-like thinking to me more than it does Pashtun thought. There is a degree of Persianization among educated, city-dwelling Pashtuns in Afghanistan as well, but the effect seems way stronger in Pakistan. Maybe that's due to Tajik culture being closer to our culture than Punjabi culture is?

The common people still act like Pashtuns, but I feel like there's a disconnect between them and the people who make their opinions known.

[Traveller]

Case in point: ANP. Most of what I've read from educated Pashtuns in Peshawar, resembles Indian-like thinking to me more than it does Pashtun thought.

Elaborate

[maneatinglizard]

Elaborate

ANP-types seem to be in denial of what Pashtun culture actually is. For example, I’ve seen articles claiming that mullayan were traditionally the lowest status people in Pashtun society, and it’s the fault of Pakistan that they are more important. A lot of them glorify musicians and act like duman are the protectors of our culture.

There’s also the whole cringeworthy liberalism/secularism thing. As if Pashtun culture is liberal lol.

[Elite Pakhtun]

Pashtuns are Afghans though. We're not going to demand Afghan Tajiks find a new name for themselves just because Tajikistan exists, and neither will we stop referring to ourselves as Afghans just because not all Pashtuns are Afghan nationals.

And it doesn't matter that there may be more Pashtuns in Pakistan. This whole Indic obsession with numbers is pointless. The traditional homeland of Pashtuns is mostly in Afghanistan, and the centers of Pashtun culture and language are there as well. And frankly, I have doubts about the narrative that the vast majority of Pashtuns are in Pakistan. There hasn't been a census in Afghanistan in almost 40 years, Pakistan's census numbers are always disputed, and a lot of the "Pashtuns" in Pakistan are probably just natives/Punjabis that speak Pashto. Pakistan probably does have more Pashtuns than Afghanistan, but I doubt the difference is as high as the estimates suggest.

Not that many punjabis speak pashto. On the other hand, sadly pashtuns that move to punjab or karachi know pretty much pashto urdu and punjabi. If anything, the number may be deflated.

[Elite Pakhtun]

ANP-types seem to be in denial of what Pashtun culture actually is. For example, I’ve seen articles claiming that mullayan were traditionally the lowest status people in Pashtun society, and it’s the fault of Pakistan that they are more important. A lot of them glorify musicians and act like duman are the protectors of our culture.

There’s also the whole cringeworthy liberalism/secularism thing. As if Pashtun culture is liberal lol.

Liberal and secular are two different things. I'm sure even in Afghanistan mullahs are bottom rung in places like Kabul. Nothing wrong with promoting local music. Not that I would listen to it. Lol jk. Not really.