Foriegn-funded feminists like Gulalali Ismail on mission of "liberating" Pashtunwomen

[Nekrofrost]

Liberalism is a feminine ideology by nature.

Ive seen a **** load of guys try really hard to be manly in hilarious ways this takes the cake.

[Samandri]

I agree that shes beeing cringey and beinf a total wannabe cracker and all that **** but i find it straight up retarded to call it foreign funding and to blame feminism for it.
Foreign funding is kind of an easy way to blame all the idiocy of our society on and altho it does happen alot this is the kind of stuff where i think its kinda dumb to say that its foriegn funding cuz shes clearly just a cringey liberal and no amount of foriegn funding could make any person kiss that much western ass and most of these people are often just naturally born asskissers.
Now a thing im finding here on this thread is a lot of dudes lashing out against feminism but at the same time saying "im all for womens rights" and i find this kinda dumb too. Feminism literally stands for womens rights and altho these cringey liberal fencesitters equate it to equal rights between men and women but it aint(a good example of this is the many feminist groups who demand free sanitary products cuz dudes definitly dont need that).
But yeah this gal is super cringe and if swabiwal women have such a problem with sadars and parooni they should try topai burkas. They are easy to use and make you look prety badass as well(as a child they reminded me of those gladiator helmets).

Bitch , are you a feminist?

You are repeating the same stuff you said few weeks ago.

[Firdousi]

Meh, even if you don't support Western feminism, the state of women in Pashtun societies is pretty abysmal and does need a lot of improvement.

Nobody said otherwise. We were discussing about feminism and how you claimed Muslims are not ready for such an amazing and sophisticated ideology LOL

[Firdousi]

Ive seen a **** load of guys try really hard to be manly in hilarious ways this takes the cake.

Thank you.

Feminism is a ideology rooted in Marxism. Just like "orthodox Marxism" developed "class war/conflict" Feminism has adopted a discurse of "gender war/conflict". Bourgeoisie oppressed the working class by using Capitalism. Men do the same thing with women by using Patriarchy.

Feminism doesn't want equal rights. Feminism doesn't want men and women to live together. Feminism consider men as enemies. Feminism wants to destroy men. As men, we should fight this evil ideology back.

I know that you have been brainwashed by the lefty BS and right now you consider yourself as some sort of Che Guevara so you will reject my words because you still believe that the world revolves around ideological conflicts but the truth is that we left behind that paradigm long time ago. Its you who live in the past not us.

[Firdousi]

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[kunatawar]

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please dont try to spill that try hard pua garbage here, these people are more cringe worthy than any feminist could ever be

[kunatawar]

itt a bunch of dudes getting worked up about feminism destroying men in one of the most sexist parts of the world lol. afghanistan and pakistan has a loooong way to go with womens rights before you guys can start worrying about things like what people in this thread are saying. you guys are bringing in cringey "meninist" responses to to the current degenerate womens movements in the west and applying it here when the opportunities women have here and in the west are worlds apart making the two situations not comparable.

fyi i dont support gulalai ismails antics and actually agree with op about foreign ngo targeting our areas with stooges like her

[SavageCurry]

I feel like this movement esentially has the goal to make it acceptable for muslim women to be promiscious and shamelessly sleep around. Notice how it's mostly based on what muslim women wear or cannot wear. From a western pov, this is no big deal as its pretty much the norm there, but its unacceptable in islam. this liberalism and feminism will destroy Islamic societies. A liberal by definition can be no Muslim. Islam has strict codes which broken makes the whole structure fall apart. Not to mention questioning of other "outdated" stuff life the family unit. women raising kids without a father, etc.

In extremely poor places "liberation" of women just could mean more prostitution as this is the type of "work" women in poor places can aquire easiest. Families might even push their daughters into prostitution to make easy money.

Without Islam people will lose their self respect, honor, dignity, etc. degeneracy will have no limit.

Not to mention western culture will just replace every aspect of cultures. Westerners will mold you into whatever they like and fit their world view. Pretty soon you will be calling your kids Tom and Patrick cuz thats more widespread/"normal" Lol

Its a shame so many are falling for this.

[Samandri]

I feel like this movement esentially has the goal to make it acceptable for muslim women to be promiscious and shamelessly sleep around. Notice how it's mostly based on what muslim women wear or cannot wear. From a western pov, this is no big deal as its pretty much the norm there, but its unacceptable in islam. this liberalism and feminism will destroy Islamic societies. A liberal by definition can be no Muslim. Islam has strict codes which broken makes the whole structure fall apart. Not to mention questioning of other "outdated" stuff life the family unit. women raising kids without a father, etc.

In extremely poor places "liberation" of women just could mean more prostitution as this is the type of "work" women in poor places can aquire easiest. Families might even push their daughters into prostitution to make easy money.

Without Islam people will lose their self respect, honor, dignity, etc. degeneracy will have no limit.

Not to mention western culture will just replace every aspect of cultures. Westerners will mold you into whatever they like and fit their world view. Pretty soon you will be calling your kids Tom and Patrick cuz thats more widespread/"normal" Lol

Its a shame so many are falling for this.

Well said , good points......women rights for Pashtun women should only be in the context of Islam. For example Pashtuns often dont give daughter's share of inheritance in Islam.

As far how west-funded NGOs operate in Pakistan. The recent case of rape of seven years old Zainab is good example. Every one was talking how to prevent cases of child rapes in Pakistan. Feminists saw this as an opportunity to push their own agenda. On TV talk shows they were demanding sex education for kids in primary schools. One woman even brought books to the show which was recommended by her NGO for sex education. She was saying that a child should be given sex education so that she is comfortable about her body.

[Firdousi]

itt a bunch of dudes getting worked up about feminism destroying men in one of the most sexist parts of the world lol. afghanistan and pakistan has a loooong way to go with womens rights before you guys can start worrying about things like what people in this thread are saying. you guys are bringing in cringey "meninist" responses to to the current degenerate womens movements in the west and applying it here when the opportunities women have here and in the west are worlds apart making the two situations not comparable.

fyi i dont support gulalai ismails antics and actually agree with op about foreign ngo targeting our areas with stooges like her

To go where, loser? Whats your goal, your aim? You have just bought the fake Western narrative about feminism, gay parades, weak men, consumerism and lack of dignity are the ultimate way of life. The last stop in the process of political, social, cultural and human evolution.

Well this is BS, because there is no best political order. Every country or region should develop its own system, suitable to its culture and social reality. I am going to make a thread about how meaningless this theory is.

[kunatawar]

To go where, loser? Whats your goal, your aim? You have just bought the fake Western narrative about feminism, gay parades, weak men, consumerism and lack of dignity are the ultimate way of life. The last stop in the process of political, social, cultural and human evolution.

do you really think the situation for women in these two countries is fine as it is? and no i dont support gay parades or consumerism or lack of dignity.

Well this is BS, because there is no best political order. Every country or region should develop its own system, suitable to its culture and social reality. I am going to make a thread about how meaningless this theory is.

you are right there infact ive said the same thing on this site before. i dont like how any mention of anything related to womens rights brings out a bunch of you guys making the same cringy arguments that "meninists" is the west make like as if the halat in the 2 regions is even comparable. that doesnt mean i want us to become westernized or anything like that.

[Firdousi]

do you really think the situation for women in these two countries is fine as it is? and no i dont support gay parades or consumerism or lack of dignity.

you are right there infact ive said the same thing on this site before. i dont like how any mention of anything related to womens rights brings out a bunch of you guys making the same cringy arguments that "meninists" is the west make like as if the halat in the 2 regions is even comparable. that doesnt mean i want us to become westernized or anything like that.

You made a claim and instead of proving it you want me to prove it lol NO. I don't think the situation of women in Afghanistan is fine. But you know Afghanistan is a f^cked up place for EVERYBODY, not only for women. Since 1978, 1,5-2 million Afghans have been killed and do you know what? VAST MAJORITY OF THEM WERE MEN. Of course you don't give a s-hit because men dying means nothing in your opinion. Only women doing what they have been doing for centuries, wearing a hijab or taking care of children, seems a big issue to you. You decide to focus only on women suffering and ignoring the rest of the population.

http://www.nonel.pu.ru/erdferkel/khalidi.pdf

Check out page 107: RATE OF MALE MORTALITY WAS THREE TIMES HIGHER THAN WOMEN.. And you don't care. Nobody does. Only women are important.

In general and in essence, Afghan culture is WAY more respectful to women than Westerners and actually any other culture in the world. Even nowadays you say anything about a lady in front of his relatives, and your head will role. Afghans don't f*ck around when it comes to their women and disrespecting someones mother is one of the worst insults in there. While in the West "MF" is a common expression.

It will take DECADES until we manage to rebuild our society, our culture, our economy, our people, the situation of our CHILDREN, OUR ELDERY, OUR MEN and of course, our women. We have been at war for decades. Now you can understand why I find claims like yours so irritating and frustrating.

So please, manginas, take all this feminist BS somewhere else.

[maneatinglizard]

When I say I support the rights of women, I mean I support the rights established by Islam. The right to own property, the right to receive inheritance, the right to reject a marriage proposal, the right to be maintained and financially supported by one's husband, etc. I don't support the "rights" feminists fight for, like the right to have sex with anyone/anything as long as consent is given, the right to abort pregnancies for any reason, the right to have free access to birth control, the right to equal employment and pay, etc. I don't support the "right" to leave home without hijab either. Why would I? None of these "rights" exist in Islam, or our culture (regardless of if you mean Pashtun culture, wider Aryan culture, or even central Asian culture).

So what reason would I have to support any of these rights, other than Western cultural imperialism? I don't call myself a "feminist" because I don't support feminism, I support Islam. Sure, you can get really technical and say that any movement that seeks to improve the lives of women is feminist, but let's be honest: no one really thinks "Islam" when they hear "feminism." Feminism has an intuitive meaning that most people understand that goes beyond any literal definition, and it refers to the specifically Western movement that in recent years has fought against cultural norms of the West. Referring to any attempts at improving the lives of women in Afghanistan, or any Muslim land, as feminism is not only confusing, it's playing into the hands of liberals who want to destroy our society. This is the mistake that many Muslims in the West made in the last few decades. They'd jump on any movement popular in the West and use literal meanings to associate them with Islam to attract Westerners. But now we have a generation of Muslims who grew up hearing Imams talking up the need for feminism, capitalism, democracy, etc. and thinking that they need to transplant Western culture into the Muslim world. Even worse, some of them realized that Islam is largely incompatible with those things, and leave the religion altogether.

Everyone needs to realize that there's no such thing as "neutral" laws. Every law is exists within a cultural and historical context. Women being able to walk around publicly without their hair covered is not somehow more neutral than it being banned, just like walking around with an uncovered chest isn't less neutral. These have only become "norms" because of the cultural hegemony of the West. So what reason do we have to embrace the West's norms? In that sense, Samandri saying they may as well show their breasts isn't wrong. The idea that breasts are too sexual to display publicly, but hair isn't, is a Western one. There are cultures in the world where bare breasts aren't a big deal. So why not follow those if we're gonna trample over our own religious and cultural norms? In fact, from an Islamic perspective, there isn't much of a difference between uncovering breasts and hair; in general, if a woman is allowed to uncover her hair in front of someone, she's also allowed to uncover her chest.

In general and in essence, Afghan culture is WAY more respectful to women than Westerners and actually any other culture in the world. Even nowadays you say anything about a lady in front of his relatives, and your head will role. Afghans don't f*ck around when it comes to their women and disrespecting someones mother is one of the worst insults in there. While in the West "MF" is a common expression.

This is a good point. Even Winston Churchill, who was a racist ****bag and hated Afghans and Pashtuns, praised the fact that women weren't harassed even in times of war.

We have problems that do need to be addressed, but our entire society is broken right now.

[maneatinglizard]

in our society its not that they are being forced to go out and work etc but rather many of them are forced to stay home and get married.

It's not hard to see why. People don't want their women ending up like this Gulalai person. We all know that a good amount of "public education," even in Muslim countries, is indoctrination into Western worship, secularism, and the promotion of promiscuity. I can totally understand why someone would prevent their daughters from attending public school when it's become a Trojan horse for Western degeneracy.

There's nothing wrong with women getting married and staying home. In fact, it's what's best for them and society. The majority of women shouldn't be working even in an ideal society.

We should be looking to solve the issues that actually affect us not something that has barely any influence in our part of the world like 'western feminism' (i think the term you guys are looking for is already coined as white feminism)

The issues that women face in our societies are largely universal. The fact is that our lands have become extremely corrupt, and power and force rule over everything. This isn't a problem that only affects women. It just affects them more because they're weaker than men. Our societies aren't just. Make them just, and women will benefit too.

As for 'western feminism' having little influence, that's largely because the vast majority of our people completely reject it and mock it. If we ignored it, Western money would eventually make it relevant. The right thing to do is fight against it before it becomes a major concern in society.

Frankly, the fact that it exists at all in our lands is a problem.

Liberalism has successfully managed to destroy Christianity in the West and replace it as the main religion. Because Liberalism is a religion right now, or at least operates as one. Just dare to say anything against a minority, feminism or democracy, and Westerners will lose their mind.

Indeed it has become a religion. It's funny, because Europeans desperately tried to convert Asia to Christianity for a thousand years with no success. All they had to do is "convert" to liberal humanism, pretend it wasn't a religion, and all of a sudden everyone in Asia is singing to their tune without a critical thought.

[Firdousi]

Let me show you the high culture of the West and their respect for women:

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South Park - Kyle's Mom's a Bitch - YouTube

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Nicki Minaj - Boss Ass Bitch ft. PTAF (Explicit) - YouTube

Do you guys can really picture Ahmad Zahir, Sarban or Ustaad Rahimbaksh singing "you are my b*tch?" Do you imagine Naghme calling herself "I am a b*tch"?????

This is the outcome of feminism which is a low quality ideology developed by one of the most nastiest, uneducated and bifarhang people in human history: anglo-saxons.