Partition of India - biggest mistake in our history?

[Sarbani]

Not a single answer was provided. All your comment is limited ad hominem and nationalist rants.

Once again: what makes Baloch people Iranic? Why should we consider ourselves closer to a Baloch than to a Punjabi? Did ever Baluchistan exist? Why should we support fake nation-states? What makes Baloch people superior than Desis? I mean you look down on Punjabis and their fake country while as far as I am concerned your Baluch identity is even faker than Punjabis.

I call myself Afghan because I was born in Afghanistan. I am realistic human being so for now nation-states are the main players in the global political world, so I unlike you who believe in a fake country called Baluchistan, I don't delude myself with nonsense. Afghanistan exists. I acknowledge reality.

BUT I don't believe in nation-states. Why I should be loyal to a government who wants to submit, oppress, tax my money, take away my properties and limit my individual and collective identity? I support more libertarian stances when it comes to states.

I call Afghanistan a joke because its a joke. Its a fake buffer zone created by Russians and Brits in order to not share a border. Colonialism is dead and Afghanistan has lost all his meaning. All these countries, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, pakistan, Syria, Iraq, UAE,.. are joke of countries. Why I should support psychos and buffons like MBS, Assad, Abbas, Karzai, Karimov or Sharif and their fake countries? They deserve nothing but being mocked.

One doesn't need to have their own country to exist. Balochistan is nothing artificial like Pakistan is. Balochistan is made up of Baloch people. Baloch people are an ethnicity with their own history, identity, culture, and language.

Balochistan as a country doesn't exist yet, but it should. Baloches deserve their own country.

[زده کوونکی]

We would have been largely colonized/Desified by India if we were annexed by them. Our language may have official status, but that's the only thing. We would have still been forced to learn Urdu/Hindi and we would have ended up in a worse condition than Northeast India. In NE India, Punjab, and South India (inc. Maharashtra); they constantly complain about migrants from the BIMARU states coming in like invaders and committing crime. We would have had the same situation here.

I don't know if you've ever visited KPK but we have seen a decent chunk amount of slumdog Indic people invading our lands and begging on the roadside in Urdu. They're like a plague. If we were part of India, we would have been completely swarmed by them. And our culture would be far more Desified than it is today. If India were to annex Balochistan or Pashtunistan, that would be an illegal annexation of rightful Afghan/Baloch land that has no business being part of their dirty country. Our language might have official status and be in a slightly better shape under India but we would be only just barely the majority ethnicity or maybe even a plurality with Pashtunistan and Balochistan full of gpysy beggars. Our Pashtun food and culture would be completely Indian.

Originally Tripura was majority Sino-Tibetan, but then Indics swarmed the land and now Tipris are a minority in Tripura and Bengalis are the majority. Sikkim used to be majority Tibetan but then Indic migrants from Nepal mass migrated and then voted Sikkim out of existence. Bhutan saw this and deported all the Indic Nepalis from Bhutan. Currently, Bengalis are mass migrating to Northeast Indian states and have even become the majority in some of their districts. All they've done is be involved in riots and cause trouble, especially in the Bodoland region of Assam.

With Pakistan, it definitely sucks. And Pakistan should be broken up like Yugoslavia was by any means necessary. But at least the number of colonialists will be massively less than if we were part of India. The only small positive to being part of India is that there is a chance the country could collapse USSR or Yugoslavia style since both Pakistan and India are united by their hatred towards each other. With nothing to unite them, the whole scheme could fall apart. But that's a HUGE thing to bank on. If separatism doesn't take off under a united India, then it would be even worse for Pashtuns (in terms of trying to separate) because we would be oppressed by a country with a far more powerful/populous military than the one that currently oppresses us. And we are in a hopeless position right now under the current government.

I'm fine being friends with India and having mutual cooperation somewhat similar to what is going on now between Afghanistan and India, but I draw a very clear line at land claims. India doesn't deserve an inch of Pashtun/Baloch land or else they would culturally genocide us very quickly.

1. Hindi has no relevance in India outside the Hindi-belt (BIMARU states). Punjabis, Gujaratis, Marathis, Bengalis etc. do not speak Hindi (just because Bollywood is in Mumbai doesn't mean the people there actually all speak Hindi - at least not the creolized Bambaiya pidgin. South India has nothing to do Hindustan, they are their own civilization by and large. There is some exchange between the North and South but identities remain distinct.

Yes, North East India has suffered and has more separatists than Balochistan and Kurdistan combined, but the people there generally do want to be part of India - but just respected in the same way Dravida (South India). They want their recognition of their culture within the wider mainstream, and who can blame them. Its the ignorance of other Indians that they are surprised when they see "Indians" who look different, eg. Sino-Tibetan North Easterners, Black African Sheedis, etc.

I have visited KPK several times, though not in recent years, so if this Indic gypsy beggar phenomenon came up during the last 10 years, I don't know. The only Indics in KPK that I know of are:

1) Native Hindkowans
2) Sikhs and Hindus
3) Pashtunised aboriginals like Kutani, Jatts, Kasabgar, Hajjams, etc. - the castes and "tribes" that provided service to their wider communities.
3) Recent migrants from Punjab etc. - though I don't these number as much as you claim.

Lol you fear your culture being destroyed - is Pashtunwali really that weak?

[Firdousi]

I agree that Christianity, among White Western people, is dying but in places like Africa it is strong and growing, syncretizing with local beliefs and customs.

Actually not always converted by their own will - it was an act of upward mobility or for financial reasons (Jiziya) or even by sword.

I know the Balkans - my company has projects there (and in CIS and GCC countries), in Montenegro (10+% Muslim), Bosnia and Kosovo - actual practice of Islam is pretty much as dead there as the practice of Christianity is in the UK - just the Bosniak and Albanian Islamic cultural identity remains, as in the UK a Christian identity remains though few people even believe in the religion itself. Albania is even worse because of the years when Enver Hoxha was in power. Turkey is hardly a Muslim country - its secular and most Turks do not even care about practicing Islam as a religion. - Things are better in Central Asia tho (Kazakhstan and Tajikistan and Uzbekistan - Kyrgyz not so much)

Also, can you give me an example of a singe peaceful and prosperous Islamic/Muslim nation in modern times?

IMO, Judaism is superior to both Christianity and Islam - just look how successful they are - one tiny Israel in a sea of hostile Arabic Muslim countries - and yet the Arabs are kept on their toes by the Israelis constantly.

This is my last message to you. You are wasting too much my time with tricky games and Islamophobe narratives, which have been debunked long time ago. Your Hindutva agenda is clear to me.

Expansion of Islam is complex. Sometimes by force, sometimes by conversion. Most of Levant and North Africa became Muslims by their own will. Read the Early Islamic Conquests by Fred Donner.

Communism changed many things in the Balkans. I do agree. But I believe that the Islamic Revival will grow bigger and stronger in there. With the UE crumbling and on withdrawal, and Russia in an eternal and endless economic stagnation, its the turn for Turkey to fill the gap. Since neo-Ottomanism is an ideology on the rise, I expect Islamic affiliation among Balkan Muslims to increase in the coming years.

This is the typical arrogant White supremacist narrative that takes advantage of Muslims stupidity and lack of arguments. Westerners ask this and act like their civilization is all peaceful and pacifistic. Like the West became the global hegemon by being nice, kind and tolerant with non Westerners. Like the West largest arm industry in human history doesn't exist. Like the West constant, failed and endless interventionism in the Islamic world was just for humanitarian reasons (18 Islamic countries invaded, bombed and sanctioned or faced coups in the last 30 years: Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bosnia, Albania, Kosovo, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Egypt, Yemen, Somalia, Turkey, Mali, Sudan, Chechnya, Argelia). Just today the leader of the Free World threatened to annihilate a third world country with his nuclear bombs. But for some reason, its us, Muslim, who need to prove that we are a "religion of peace" to the West. Hilarious.

But aint going to work with me. I don't need to prove to you or any Westerner how peaceful or great Islam is. You are not important to me. Some stupid uneducated Muzzies fall in this trap all the time and when they get asked they go full defensive like "Islam is peaceful" or "Muslims are not terrorist". BS. There is no peaceful Islamic country for the Islamic world is going through a complex transition and ideological time. Driven by its own internal dynamics, and not by what the West wants us to be, the IW is struggling to get rid of alien and foreign imposed tumors called secularism and nation-states. The Islamic world is also facing a demographic explosion, weak economies, regional rivalries, foreign interventionism and failure by post-colonial ideologies, that helped the Islamic revival to fill the vacuum left. Instability and violence will go on for the coming years, may be decades but eventually the Islamic world will sort the mess out and an universalist system will emerge.

I know you want me to say that "Muslims are evil" in order to make you feel better, but always keep in mind that you are not talking with a Hindutva inferior Apu cockroach or a naive, uneducated and gullible Westerner. I know the ground reality of my religion, my country and my region quite well. Foreign propaganda aint going to work here.

I do agree regarding Jews. They are an admirable people, one of the most successful ethnic groups out there. No personal beef with Israel but I disagree how that country si always forcing the USA and make trouble in the region for the sake of his own national interests.

[Firdousi]

One doesn't need to have their own country to exist. Balochistan is nothing artificial like Pakistan is. Balochistan is made up of Baloch people. Baloch people are an ethnicity with their own history, identity, culture, and language.

Balochistan as a country doesn't exist yet, but it should. Baloches deserve their own country.

Like a typical brainwashed Afghan, you say all those things out of contempt for the failed terrorist Paki state. You don't give a sh*t about Baloch people. Bloch people as an equal and monolithic group doesn't even exist. Same logic applies to Kurds. Do you seriously believe that Rojava, PKK, Talabanis, Barzanis and the Kurdish Hezbollah can share a country? LMAO. Dont be naive people and stop making things so simple.

Balochistan is a wet dream no different than Kurdistan, Khorasan or Loy Pashtunistan. It aint going to happen, dude. Face it, nationalist people: nationalism is dying in the Islamic world. In the coming years people will demand more regional integration, more stability, more peace, more cooperation. Nobody wants more fake borders here. Outside of the West and the Kurdish people, who cares about Kurdistan? No one. Its a failed project.

[زده کوونکی]

This is my last message to you. You are wasting too much my time with tricky games and Islamophobe narratives, which have been debunked long time ago. Your Hindutva agenda is clear to me.

Expansion of Islam is complex. Sometimes by force, sometimes by conversion. Most of Levant and North Africa became Muslims by their own will. Read the Early Islamic Conquests by Fred Donner.

Communism changed many things in the Balkans. I do agree. But I believe that the Islamic Revival will grow bigger and stronger in there. With the UE crumbling and on withdrawal, and Russia in an eternal and endless economic stagnation, its the turn for Turkey to fill the gap. Since neo-Ottomanism is an ideology on the rise, I expect Islamic affiliation among Balkan Muslims to increase in the coming years.

This is the typical arrogant White supremacist narrative that takes advantage of Muslims stupidity and lack of arguments. Westerners ask this and act like their civilization is all peaceful and pacifistic. Like the West became the global hegemon by being nice, kind and tolerant with non Westerners. Like the West largest arm industry in human history doesn't exist. Like the West constant, failed and endless interventionism in the Islamic world was just for humanitarian reasons (18 Islamic countries invaded, bombed and sanctioned or faced coups in the last 30 years: Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bosnia, Albania, Kosovo, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Egypt, Yemen, Somalia, Turkey, Mali, Sudan, Chechnya, Argelia). Just today the leader of the Free World threatened to annihilate a third world country with his nuclear bombs. But for some reason, its us, Muslim, who need to prove that we are a "religion of peace" to the West. Hilarious.

But aint going to work with me. I don't need to prove to you or any Westerner how peaceful or great Islam is. You are not important to me. Some stupid uneducated Muzzies fall in this trap all the time and when they get asked they go full defensive like "Islam is peaceful" or "Muslims are not terrorist". BS. There is no peaceful Islamic country for the Islamic world is going through a complex transition and ideological time. Driven by its own internal dynamics, and not by what the West wants us to be, the IW is struggling to get rid of alien and foreign imposed tumors called secularism and nation-states. The Islamic world is also facing a demographic explosion, weak economies, regional rivalries, foreign interventionism and failure by post-colonial ideologies, that helped the Islamic revival to fill the vacuum left. Instability and violence will go on for the coming years, may be decades but eventually the Islamic world will sort the mess out and an universalist system will emerge.

I know you want me to say that "Muslims are evil" in order to make you feel better, but always keep in mind that you are not talking with a Hindutva inferior Apu cockroach or a naive, uneducated and gullible Westerner. I know the ground reality of my religion, my country and my region quite well. Foreign propaganda aint going to work here.

I do agree regarding Jews. They are an admirable people, one of the most successful ethnic groups out there. No personal beef with Israel but I disagree how that country si always forcing the USA and make trouble in the region for the sake of his own national interests.

Hahah last message? Boro bekhair.
Guess my games are too tricky for you.

And I have a Hindutva agenda? That's funny because I'm eating an Angus Steakhouse burger (with bacon) as I type.

You're not stupid, I'll give you that.
I just don't agree with most of your points.

[Sarbani]

1. Hindi has no relevance in India outside the Hindi-belt (BIMARU states). Punjabis, Gujaratis, Marathis, Bengalis etc. do not speak Hindi (just because Bollywood is in Mumbai doesn't mean the people there actually all speak Hindi - at least not the creolized Bambaiya pidgin. South India has nothing to do Hindustan, they are their own civilization by and large. There is some exchange between the North and South but identities remain distinct.

Most people I have interacted with from non-BIMARU North India, whether online or IRL, could speak fluent Hindi. Marathis and especially Gujaratis speak Hindi a lot. It may be a bit less common in West Bengal and Punjab, but most people from there can also speak Hindi. I've even met Mallus that could speak it. Many Pashtuns are also self-haters so they would definitely be speaking it like Punjus and Gujjus are.

Yes, North East India has suffered and has more separatists than Balochistan and Kurdistan combined, but the people there generally do want to be part of India - but just respected in the same way Dravida (South India). They want their recognition of their culture within the wider mainstream, and who can blame them. Its the ignorance of other Indians that they are surprised when they see "Indians" who look different, eg. Sino-Tibetan North Easterners, Black African Sheedis, etc.

Indians mass migrating and colonizing/Desifying their land doesn't either help. Since most Pashtuns are self-haters, we would be fine with colonization and end up in an even worse position than them.

I have visited KPK several times, though not in recent years, so if this Indic gypsy beggar phenomenon came up during the last 10 years, I don't know. The only Indics in KPK that I know of are:

1) Native Hindkowans
2) Sikhs and Hindus
3) Pashtunised aboriginals like Kutani, Jatts, Kasabgar, Hajjams, etc. - the castes and "tribes" that provided service to their wider communities.
3) Recent migrants from Punjab etc. - though I don't these number as much as you claim.

They set up their own tents, sleep by gas stations, by the sidewalk/footpath, etc. They are mostly in Peshawar but leech around in other parts as well. They only speak Urdu and most of the beggars are women with kids also doing it to a lesser extent followed by men. They will sometimes stop your car and try to clean the windshield and demand money. Often times, they are usually on the floor (woman holding a baby often) saying "mujhe pese dedo". They often come to parked cars and knock on the window asking for money. Many of them are also mentally ill hijras that belong in hospitals not on the streets. There was a famous quote by a Punjabi man saying he never met a single Pashtun beggar but now this Indian cultural tradition has spread to a small degree even among some low class Pashtuns. Disgusting. But the vast majority of the beggars are still Indics.

Lol you fear your culture being destroyed - is Pashtunwali really that weak?

Everybody does. And it's not really just Pashtunwali (which isn't as significant as folk think), but more than that. Nobody should want to be assimilated. That's why one of your Northeastern states banned Bollywood. You wouldn't like it if China or Sri Lanka annexed large chunks of India, so why should we be okay annexed by foreigners from a different civilization? Why can't we respect each other as neighbors? Trying to encroach on territory will really do you no favors.

[Sarbani]

Like a typical brainwashed Afghan, you say all those things out of contempt for the failed terrorist Paki state. You don't give a sh*t about Baloch people. Bloch people as an equal and monolithic group doesn't even exist. Same logic applies to Kurds. Do you seriously believe that Rojava, PKK, Talabanis, Barzanis and the Kurdish Hezbollah can share a country? LMAO. Dont be naive people and stop making things so simple.

Balochistan is a wet dream no different than Kurdistan, Khorasan or Loy Pashtunistan. It aint going to happen, dude. Face it, nationalist people: nationalism is dying in the Islamic world. In the coming years people will demand more regional integration, more stability, more peace, more cooperation. Nobody wants more fake borders here. Outside of the West and the Kurdish people, who cares about Kurdistan? No one. Its a failed project.

I'm from KPK not Afghanistan. I do care about Baloches. They deserve to preserve their identity and culture. They can only do that in an independent Balochistan. EVERY ethnic group has varied tribal or social structures. Germans have varied origins but that doesn't mean Germany is a fake state and should be split in half between France and Poland. Baloches are an ethnicity in their own right. "Pakistani" is not an ethnicity but just a citizenship.

Kurds are the same. Why should Kurdish lands be occupied by Iraq and Turkey? What business does Kurdistan have being part of Iraq and speaking Arabic? If Germans can have Germany or if the Swedes can have Sweden, then what's wrong if the Kurds have a Kurdistan? You wouldn't want Afghanistan to be part of India or China. You wouldn't either want Iran to be part of Saudi Arabia. So how is my position different? Why should Baloches be part of Pakistan? Why should Tibetans and Uyghurs be part of China?

[Firdousi]

I'm from KPK not Afghanistan. I do care about Baloches. They deserve to preserve their identity and culture. They can only do that in an independent Balochistan. EVERY ethnic group has varied tribal or social structures. Germans have varied origins but that doesn't mean Germany is a fake state and should be split in half between France and Poland. Baloches are an ethnicity in their own right. "Pakistani" is not an ethnicity but just a citizenship.

Kurds are the same. Why should Kurdish lands be occupied by Iraq and Turkey? What business does Kurdistan have being part of Iraq and speaking Arabic? If Germans can have Germany or if the Swedes can have Sweden, then what's wrong if the Kurds have a Kurdistan? You wouldn't want Afghanistan to be part of India or China. You wouldn't either want Iran to be part of Saudi Arabia. So how is my position different? Why should Baloches be part of Pakistan? Why should Tibetans and Uyghurs be part of China?

Oh boy, here we go again with the small minded.. for God sake, read my comments once again: I REJECT ALL NATION-STATES IN THE ISLAMIC WORLD.

Nation-states are by nature oppressive, divisive and aim to impose cultural, religious and ethnic homogeneity. My answer to this disease is not more nation-states but less nation-states.. GOT IT? Once this toxic entities are gone, nationalism will be gone as well. Nobody will impose his entity on others by the force of state because there will be no nation-state willing to enforce cultural assimilation.

Islamic world should go back to his libertarian roots. The state the weaker the better. Borders, the less the better. Use your brain.

[زده کوونکی]

Most people I have interacted with from non-BIMARU North India, whether online or IRL, could speak fluent Hindi. Marathis and especially Gujaratis speak Hindi a lot. It may be a bit less common in West Bengal and Punjab, but most people from there can also speak Hindi. I've even met Mallus that could speak it. Many Pashtuns are also self-haters so they would definitely be speaking it like Punjus and Gujjus are.

Here, in the UK, Indians are mostly Punjabi (Hindu & Sikh) and Gujarati. Yes, the older immigrants who have come from India may speak Hindi, but generally, most only speak their ethnic languages. Bengalis in the UK are mostly from Sylhet in Bangladesh - they don't even speak standard Bengali. That leaves Pakistanis - most are from Mirpur and Punjab and speak Punjabi/Potohari. Urdu, in the UK, is only used as a liturgical language by the Paki Muslims. Mallus I met in Oman - not all but some can communicate in broken Hindi. I know an Indian immigrant from Andhra Pradesh who works at a fried chicken restaurant. He vehemently denies knowing Hindi. The only time Urdu/Hindi may be heard on the streets of the UK is when two Asian groups attempt to communicate in a language White people don't understand. Only Altaf Bhai is British Urduwan like me. Yes, Pashtuns and Afghans speak Urdu/Hindi, but not generally with each other.

Indians mass migrating and colonizing/Desifying their land doesn't either help. Since most Pashtuns are self-haters, we would be fine with colonization and end up in an even worse position than them.



They set up their own tents, sleep by gas stations, by the sidewalk/footpath, etc. They are mostly in Peshawar but leech around in other parts as well. They only speak Urdu and most of the beggars are women with kids also doing it to a lesser extent followed by men. They will sometimes stop your car and try to clean the windshield and demand money. Often times, they are usually on the floor (woman holding a baby often) saying "mujhe pese dedo". They often come to parked cars and knock on the window asking for money. Many of them are also mentally ill hijras that belong in hospitals not on the streets. There was a famous quote by a Punjabi man saying he never met a single Pashtun beggar but now this Indian cultural tradition has spread to a small degree even among some low class Pashtuns. Disgusting. But the vast majority of the beggars are still Indics.


Ok, those are castes of itinerant professional beggars. I have seen them in other parts of Pakistan. Begging is their occupation. And btw sorry to burst your bubble but there are plenty of Pakhtun and Afghan beggars in Islamabad. Once I was sitting in the car during Ramzan and a knock on my window, two fresh Pakhtuns from KPK spoke in pure Pashto: "da roja maatay khabara da...." I never heard such a line before so I felt really bad and gave them Rs. 100 - my driver got angry with me and said I should have given Rs. 20. Another time a little Afghan girl in Afghan dress knocked on my car. I spoke to her in Pashto... "da kam zaye?" She replied, almost in a proud tone, "Abghanistan". I gave her money and told her, in Pashto, that she should try to get an education and improve her life. "Khorky zma khabara wawra, za taa ta pese ba derkawoma kho gora, ta zma warukay khor ghundy ye aw za ghwaram chi ta da akhpal jwand kha kre zaka os ta chi kaar kaway hagha kaar na day, khwaari da... She took the money and walked away with a wary look.

Everybody does. And it's not really just Pashtunwali (which isn't as significant as folk think), but more than that. Nobody should want to be assimilated. That's why one of your Northeastern states banned Bollywood. You wouldn't like it if China or Sri Lanka annexed large chunks of India, so why should we be okay annexed by foreigners from a different civilization? Why can't we respect each other as neighbors? Trying to encroach on territory will really do you no favors.

I agree that neighbors should respect each other. As for wanting to be assimilated - I'm not racist but I like my culture, I wan to preserve what little is left of it (its pretty much dead in Karachi - never really even existed in Pakistan in the first place, and dying in India itself and is unknown in the UK).

[maneatinglizard]

Since most Pashtuns are self-haters,

This isn't true. Not in Afghanistan at least. Only self-hating Pashtuns in Afghanistan are the fake nationalist wannabe Persian elite, and they're a dying breed.

And all the Pakistani Pashtuns I've met have been proud Pashtuns too. Granted, I don't know many of them. But just this weekend I attended a talk of a Pakistani Pashtun Alim, and he was constantly quoting sayings in Pashto and Farsi, and didn't speak a word of Urdu. Heck, he never even called himself Pakistani, and actually did call himself Afghan multiple times, and this was a person who was a Qadi and politician in Pakistan! We had plenty of Punjabis/Indics in the gathering too, so it's not like he was pandering or anything.

Also, killzai is lying. I work in a company that hires a ton of Indian professionals, and while most of them are from south India, they all know Hindi. As I said before, there's a constant argument between a south Indian and a Gujarati on my team regarding Hindi's status in India.

But you all should know as much anyway. Dude's just a lame troll trying to maintain relevance. I guess he's seen Karachi/Dhul-Fiqar and realized the best way to troll us is to pretend he's an Indian nationalist and make fun of Pashtuns.

His story about beggar Afghans is almost definitely a lie too. I doubt he's ever given money to a female that he wasn't propositioning lol.

[زده کوونکی]

This isn't true. Not in Afghanistan at least. Only self-hating Pashtuns in Afghanistan are the fake nationalist wannabe Persian elite, and they're a dying breed.

And all the Pakistani Pashtuns I've met have been proud Pashtuns too. Granted, I don't know many of them. But just this weekend I attended a talk of a Pakistani Pashtun Alim, and he was constantly quoting sayings in Pashto and Farsi, and didn't speak a word of Urdu. Heck, he never even called himself Pakistani, and actually did call himself Afghan multiple times, and this was a person who was a Qadi and politician in Pakistan! We had plenty of Punjabis/Indics in the gathering too, so it's not like he was pandering or anything.

Also, killzai is lying. I work in a company that hires a ton of Indian professionals, and while most of them are from south India, they all know Hindi. As I said before, there's a constant argument between a south Indian and a Gujarati on my team regarding Hindi's status in India.

But you all should know as much anyway. Dude's just a lame troll trying to maintain relevance. I guess he's seen Karachi/Dhul-Fiqar and realized the best way to troll us is to pretend he's an Indian nationalist and make fun of Pashtuns.

His story about beggar Afghans is almost definitely a lie too. I doubt he's ever given money to a female that he wasn't propositioning lol.

I'm not lying. In the UK, few speak Hindi/Urdu. I guess you're not in the UK?

It's not a lie and I don't proposition females at all.

[maneatinglizard]

I'm not lying. In the UK, few speak Hindi/Urdu. I guess you're not in the UK?

You are lying, just like when you were so triggered by me that you said you'd block me. You said:

1. Hindi has no relevance in India outside the Hindi-belt (BIMARU states). Punjabis, Gujaratis, Marathis, Bengalis etc. do not speak Hindi (just because Bollywood is in Mumbai doesn't mean the people there actually all speak Hindi - at least not the creolized Bambaiya pidgin. South India has nothing to do Hindustan, they are their own civilization by and large. There is some exchange between the North and South but identities remain distinct.

You weren't referring to the UK, but rather India itself.

It's not a lie and I don't proposition females at all.

So you only proposition men then? I guess that'd make sense with how you keep bragging about being a porn star on a forum full of dudes.

[زده کوونکی]

You are lying, just like when you were so triggered by me that you said you'd block me. You said:



You weren't referring to the UK, but rather India itself.



So you only proposition men then? I guess that'd make sense with how you keep bragging about being a porn star on a forum full of dudes.

I haven't been to India since I was a child. I actually know nothing about the country tbh. I wish I could go there again, but they won't give me a visa...
the only way I can visit India now is through a business/work visa and even that, that is specific to one city or state.

Yes... If you must know, 9 out of 10 times, I prefer having relations with a "lakhta" but it depends. I generally prefer the company of men. I have female "friends" - that's about it when it comes to my contact with women. I am not interested in having sex with them.

[kunatawar]

We would have been largely colonized/Desified by India if we were annexed by them. Our language may have official status, but that's the only thing. We would have still been forced to learn Urdu/Hindi and we would have ended up in a worse condition than Northeast India. In NE India, Punjab, and South India (inc. Maharashtra); they constantly complain about migrants from the BIMARU states coming in like invaders and committing crime. We would have had the same situation here.

I don't know if you've ever visited KPK but we have seen a decent chunk amount of slumdog Indic people invading our lands and begging on the roadside in Urdu. They're like a plague. If we were part of India, we would have been completely swarmed by them. And our culture would be far more Desified than it is today. If India were to annex Balochistan or Pashtunistan, that would be an illegal annexation of rightful Afghan/Baloch land that has no business being part of their dirty country. Our language might have official status and be in a slightly better shape under India but we would be only just barely the majority ethnicity or maybe even a plurality with Pashtunistan and Balochistan full of gpysy beggars. Our Pashtun food and culture would be completely Indian.

Originally Tripura was majority Sino-Tibetan, but then Indics swarmed the land and now Tipris are a minority in Tripura and Bengalis are the majority. Sikkim used to be majority Tibetan but then Indic migrants from Nepal mass migrated and then voted Sikkim out of existence. Bhutan saw this and deported all the Indic Nepalis from Bhutan. Currently, Bengalis are mass migrating to Northeast Indian states and have even become the majority in some of their districts. All they've done is be involved in riots and cause trouble, especially in the Bodoland region of Assam.

With Pakistan, it definitely sucks. And Pakistan should be broken up like Yugoslavia was by any means necessary. But at least the number of colonialists will be massively less than if we were part of India. The only small positive to being part of India is that there is a chance the country could collapse USSR or Yugoslavia style since both Pakistan and India are united by their hatred towards each other. With nothing to unite them, the whole scheme could fall apart. But that's a HUGE thing to bank on. If separatism doesn't take off under a united India, then it would be even worse for Pashtuns (in terms of trying to separate) because we would be oppressed by a country with a far more powerful/populous military than the one that currently oppresses us. And we are in a hopeless position right now under the current government.

I'm fine being friends with India and having mutual cooperation somewhat similar to what is going on now between Afghanistan and India, but I draw a very clear line at land claims. India doesn't deserve an inch of Pashtun/Baloch land or else they would culturally genocide us very quickly.

people who think we would have been better off in india because either we would have been more independent or our culture/identity would survive better are hopeless. by the time the british were planning to leave indians and indian politicians considered pashtun/baloch lands of the raj as "rightfully indian land", there is a quote somewhere by nehru telling afghanistan to not meddle in "indian affairs" regarding pashtuns east of the durrand line. Im not the biggest fan of pakistan but between the two i would choose pakistan 1000000 times over, look at peshawar in the late 1800s to early 1900s to get a good idea of what would have happened to us had pakistan not come into the picture. the entire definition of our ethnicity would have been changed along with our history being rewritten. before partition indians didnt even know or care what a pashtun was (most still dont), all they knew was "pathan" and that just meant anyone from the frontier province. peshawar was flooded by hindu/christian/sikh punjabis and other indians and they became "pathans" by living there. Imagine if we were still a part of that, pashtun lands would have been hindu/christian/sikh indian majority and pathan/pashtun would have meant a punjabi "pishori". Our ethnicity might very well have been killed off by now.

[Sarbani]

I agree that neighbors should respect each other. As for wanting to be assimilated - I'm not racist but I like my culture, I wan to preserve what little is left of it (its pretty much dead in Karachi - never really even existed in Pakistan in the first place, and dying in India itself and is unknown in the UK).

I never claimed Pashtuns don't beg, but it's very uncommon and mostly spreading as a result of cultural influence from Desis.

Desis are even spreading their begging culture to Afghanistan despite it being a separate country:

Pakistani Beggars Carrying Out Intelligence Activities: MoI | TOLOnews

Growing beggars in Kabul city concerning – National Radio Television of Afghanistan

If you want to preserve your culture, we want to do the same. Nothing wrong with that.