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  • #16
    Originally posted by زده کوونکی View Post
    Punjabi Muslims and Pathans of KPK = their ancestors never had real connection with the Mughal Saltanat and did not identlfy with them - these people from Punjab and Peshawar were dominated and oppressed by the Sikhs, the arrival of the British was a good thing for them and they loyally served the British against the Sikhs.

    Imagine if the British never came, our people would still be the elites of North India and these Muslim Punjabis would probably have been wiped out - Sikhs are proud and ambitious - I'm betting they would have liked to convert everyone to Sikhism because for them, Punjabi = Sikh.
    Oh god....

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Nekrofrost View Post
      Oh god....
      Its a fact - sorry if I insulted you.

      Refernce:

      Muhajirs and MQM: Grandchildren of the mighty Mughal Empire

      4.5 Mughals (Muhajirs) and the Punjabis

      Shalimar Gardens in Lahore. Mughal Muhajirs built all Lahore monuments – Punjabi Muslims built nothing. (Sikhs built a couple of beautiful buildings too in their brief tenure of Punjab)
      Punjab had always been a Mughal colony. The Mughal Muhajirs built almost every beautiful landmark in Lahore. The Badshahi Mosque, the Shalimar Gardens, the Lahore Fort, and various Mughal tombs – all were built by Urdu-speaking Muhajirs. Not a single one was built by Punjabi Muslims. After the sacking of Delhi by Nadir Shah, the Mughals lost control over the Punjab colony, and the Afghan Durrani army seized control. From that period on, the Punjabi Muslims (who were always non-Urdu-speaking) lost all connection with the Mughals, and they became even more closely related to the Pashtuns. For example, Imran Khan’s Pashtun family hails from Mianwali (Pashtunistan-Punjab border) and they migrated to Jullundur (now Indian Punjab) during this period. The Afghans had been blocked from Punjab by the Mughals for centuries, but by 1761 they controlled present-day Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KPK), Punjab (including Kashmir) and Sindh. Although territory in this area changed hands frequently during this period, military activity was conducted only by Pashtun, Punjabi, Sindhi and Baloch speakers. During this period, there were no Urdu-speakers in the area which is today known as Pakistan.


      The Punjabis had a deeply held hatred for the Mughals because they felt culturally, linguistically, and militarily inferior. This inferiority complex can be viewed in their attitude to this day. The tweet below by a Punjabi “liberal” is quite revealing. Condemning Nawaz Sharif’s acceptance of Narendra Modi’s invitation to his Delhi inauguration, Hamdani cries Nawaz Sharif was like a “small raja attending the court of the Delhi [Mughal] emperor”. This exposes centuries of inherited Punjabi hatred for the Mughal Empire. It would be unthinkable for a Muhajir to use such a phrase, because the Mughal Emperor was our Emperor, and we insisted on staying under the Mughal Emperor even when the Nawabs and Nizams of Awadh, Bengal, and Hyderabad had become de facto independent.

      From the late 1700s to 1849, Punjab was under complete control of the Sikhs, under Maharaja Ranjit Singh and his successors. During this period, the Punjabi Muslims were treated with severity. For example, Ranjit Singh used to raze Multan to the ground every year and exact tribute from its people. He also used the Muhajir-built Badshahi Mosque as his ammunition store and stables, and the Punjabi Muslims were too scared to say a word against him.


      Sikhs were even removing marble from Lahore’s Badshahi Moque – Punjabi Muslims were helpless
      No doubt the Sikhs would argue that they themselves had been severely mistreated as well in the past. However, as a result of the Sikh total domination over the Punjabi Muslims, a deep hatred grew between the two.


      Punjabi Muslims and Pathans were under Sikh control, so they welcomed British takeover of Punjab in 1849


      4.6 Mughals (Muhajirs) and the Pashtuns
      The power of Runjit Singh was so great, that he threatened Dost Mohammed (the Afghan King) in 1834. As a result of Ranjit Singh’s advance, Dost Mohammed fled from Peshawar Province (what is today KPK/FATA), without even fighting the Sikh Army. This is how KPK/FATA was lost by Afghanistan and absorbed into Punjab. For 15 years, Dost Mohammed dreamt of taking back the province of Peshawar, by far the wealthiest area of Afghanistan. However, in 1849, the British annexed Punjab (including the KPK/FATA area) and Dost Mohammed could no longer even dream of taking Peshawar back. This is how KPK/FATA ended up in Pakistan. It had always been a natural part of Afghanistan, sharing language, culture, customs, and tribal affiliation and much more with their fellow Afghans. The Pashtuns made virtually no buildings of any note, left almost no literature whatsoever, and created only a legacy of blood feuds which kept the entire Pashtun area permanently at war with itself. There was no connection with Mughal high culture or learning. Although the Mughals had launched their invasions of India from Afghanistan centuries earlier, these connections had long been lost, and Mughals had adopted their own created language – Urdu – a completely different language to Pashto.


      Runjeet Singh, who conquered Peshawar in 1834
      The Pashtuns looked on the Mughal as enemies, because the Mughals kept them away from looting and pillaging India. In 1849, the Sikh Empire was fragmenting internally. After the death of Runjit Singh in 1839, the Sikhs started a civil war. When the Sikhs started attacking and looting British held territory, the British were compelled to annex Punjab (including present day KPK/FATA) in 1849. The Punjabi Muslims and Pashtuns welcomed the arrival of the British as it relived them from the harsh rule of the Sikhs, who had total control and possession of Punjab/KPK/FATA area. Indeed, the Punjabis and the Pashtuns are the only communities in all of India who did not resist the British takeover at all. Even the Baloch- Sindhi tribes made a stand against the British in 1843 at the Battle of Meenee – although this pathetic effort was wiped away easily by the British, at least they tried. The Pashtuns and Punjabis had no deep intrinsic desire for freedom and autonomy, so they did not fight at all.

      Peshawar in 1857 barely comprised a few shacks
      Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger
      He is a very clever guy, very intelligent. The clown persona he has on here is just for messing around and time pass on the net...
      "Za d mazaro pa kaat khob kam, zma janan pa double bed kawi khoboona..."

      "Yaar pa burgero amukhta da - zmung sarry doddy ta laas na lagawina"

      Khudaya d tol Kandahar gul ky... d yaar d para ba daste gulaan rawrama

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      • #18
        Continued:

        5. The Indian Rebellion of 1857
        Note 1: Many brave Hindus participated in the 1857 Mutiny. However, for the purposes of this essay, I will focus on the participation of the proto-Muhajir fighters, and the fighters of present-day Pakistan.
        Note 2: At that time, the British called the Sikhs “Punjabis”, and they called the Muslims in Punjab territory (then including the present-day KPK/FATA region) “Afghans”. It was only in 1901 that the British separated the Pashtun area of Punjab to create the North West Frontier Province.

        The British came to India to trade, and recruited local sepoys to protect their warehouses

        5.1 Muhajirs Martyrs and Punjabi-Pashtun Puppets

        In 1857, the British Indian Army rebelled against the British in the Delhi area, Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, Awadh and Bengal (Urdu-speaking parts). This was the Indian Mutiny. The events of those days shape the current government system in Pakistan to this day. Before 1857, the British recruited soldiers from all across India, Muslims and Hindus. Primary recruitment areas were Bengal (Urdu/Hindi speakers) and Northern India. However, in 1857 a violent rebellion broke out. The first action of the proto-Muhajir rebel soldiers was to reinstate the Mughal Emperor in Delhi as a full Sovereign – thus ending his status as a British puppet who was not even allowed to leave his Palace or receive any guest he wanted without British permission.

        Bahadur Shah, the last Mughal Emperor, was 82 at the time of the Mutiny
        Muhajirs from Delhi, Bihar and the Urdu-speaking regions of Bengal, and Bhopal joined in the rebellion. The British were in total disarray. The telegraphs were cut, and after years of peace, the European soldiers were not hardened fighters. Britain was in peril of losing its prized Imperial possession, from which they were extracting monumentally colossal amounts of capital – money which was in turn being used to transform London and other British urban centres.


        London’s most beautiful buildings were built 1800-1850 using wealth extracted from Mughal India
        The only reason the British held India, is because the Punjabis and Pashtuns stayed loyal to their British masters. However, even this loyalty was not out of goodwill, but spite. The Punjabi-Pashtun soldiers hated the Mughal Empire, and would rather be subjugated under the British than to see the Muhajirs living in freedom. If the Punjabi-Pashtuns had rebelled against the British, they would have certainly expelled them from India and we would have gained our freedom. As soon as the Mutiny was declared, the Punjabis and the Pashtuns rushed to join the British Army. They seized fugitive Mutineers and handed them to the British. They welcomed the British Army and officials with “great enthusiasm”. One British journalist wrote that his four Punjabi servants disappeared one morning, and by evening he discovered they had joined the British Indian Army, so they could go and kill the proto-Muhajir freedom fighters.



        The British were shocked at how strongly the Punjabis (Sikh, Mulim, Pakhtun) supported them against the Mughal Muhajirs

        Britain had only conquered (Sikh-ruled) Punjab (including the KPK/FATA region) in 1849, so they had no idea how the Punjabi-Pashtuns would react. It became very clear that the Punjabi-Pashtuns were the most loyal servants of the British, beyond their wildest imagination:
        “When once it was clear that the Punjab was not a source of danger, it became equally clear that it was a mine of strength.”
        The Punjabi Muslims and Pashtuns marched to Delhi under the British, who offered terms of surrender to the Muhajir fighters on August 30 1857. The Muhajirs refused to accept the surrender of Delhi. In early September 1857, the British attacked Delhi. The Punjabi-Pashtun coalition rampaged through the streets of Delhi, killing any Muhajir they could find. The streets of Delhi were once again drenched with Muhajir blood, and they did not ask who is Sunni or Shia. Once Delhi had been captured, Punjabi-Pathans fired artillery into Muhajir neighbourhoods, raped Muhajir women, and looted as much as they could. This was among the first Operation Clean-ups of Muhajirs conducted by Punjabi and Pashtun barbarians. (See Section 3 for more information on Muhajir genocide.)


        Punjabi Muslims and Pathans at the first Operation Cleanup – Delhi 1857

        A British observer was astounded to see “Affghans” (i.e. Muslims from present-day Punjab/KPK/FATA), who had only been conquered by the British less than a decade earlier, now sitting in the palace of the Mughal Emperor, covered in Mughal (Muhajir) blood and counting what they had looted from the Mughals and their loyal subjects. Many of the Pashtun soldiers were from the Yusufzai tribe, savages from the frontiers of the Mughal territory, now frolicking in the Emperor’s Durbar. There could be no greater disgrace in Muhajir history than this sight.

        Capture of the Mughal Emperor and his two grandsons, Prince Mirza Mughal and Prince Bakht
        On 20 September 1857, the British, along with Punjabi-Pashtun coalition troops, captured the Mughal Emperor and his two grandsons, Princes Mirza Mughal and Bakht Khan. They sliced off the heads of the two princes and presented them to the old Mughal Emperor on a plate. After the Fall of Delhi in 1739, this was the most devastating day in Muhajir history, and it signified the end of the Mughal Emperors who had ruled India for centuries. The Emperor was then sent into exile in Rangoon (Burma), where he died a broken man. Whilst the Punjabis and Pathans celebrated in the Red Fort, the Muhajir heart was broken.

        After 1857, the British kept their India Army almost entirely Sikhs, Punjabi Muslims, Pakhtuns and Nepali Gurkhas
        After the Mutiny, the British expelled all the Mutineers from UP, Awadh, Bengal, etc., and decided that they only wanted the loyal Punjabis (i.e. Sikhs, Punjabi Muslims, and Pashtuns) and Ghurkhas in the new British India Army. The Sikhs were considered the best disciplined of these soldiers. The Punjabi Muslims were seen as least hostile to the British, primarily because the British had just freed them from Sikh control. The Pashtun soldiers were considered very brave, and it was noted that they hated other Indians, including Muhajirs. The British would have kept more Pashtun soldiers, but they were worried that the only external threat to India came from Pashtun tribesmen, so they did not want to keep too many Pashtuns.


        Punjabi dominance of Pakistan Armed Forces today dates back to Punjabi loyalty to the British in 1857
        5.2 Historical Reasons for Punjabi-Pashtun Domination in the Pakistan Armed Forces

        “Blown from the Guns”: After the Mutiny was crushed using Punjabi/Pathan troops, the British executed Muhajir freedom fighters
        From the above, it is clear that the Muslims in the British India Army were all Punjabi Muslims and Pashtuns. This carried on until the independence of India/Pakistan in 1947, and it is the reason why the Pakistan Army to this day is almost entirely composed of Punjabi Muslims and Pashtuns. The British called them “Martial Races”, but in fact they were the only communities in India not to resist the British invasion. They remained staunchly loyal to the British during the Mutiny and showed their enthusiasm to sack Delhi and massacre the Muhajirs. On the other hand, the only Indian Muslims to provide significant resistance to the British, from Delhi to Bengal to Mysore (Tipu Sultan) to Lucknow to Bhopal, were the Urdu-speaking Muslims – now dubbed the Muhajirs. Because Muhajirs had fought the British wherever and whenever we could, the British kept us out of their Army.


        Today, Pakistan’s Punjabi/Pathan buraucracy/military class wishes to flood Muhajir Karachi with refugees from Jihad-infected Pathan areas, bringing intolerance, terrorism & crime with them. The FATA barbarians blasted ANP (a secular Pakhtun party) out of Karachi
        Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger
        He is a very clever guy, very intelligent. The clown persona he has on here is just for messing around and time pass on the net...
        "Za d mazaro pa kaat khob kam, zma janan pa double bed kawi khoboona..."

        "Yaar pa burgero amukhta da - zmung sarry doddy ta laas na lagawina"

        Khudaya d tol Kandahar gul ky... d yaar d para ba daste gulaan rawrama

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        • #19
          I don't agree with everything the author says like saying Pashtuns left no literature and calling Yusafzais "savages" however, over all, there are a lot of good points.
          Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger
          He is a very clever guy, very intelligent. The clown persona he has on here is just for messing around and time pass on the net...
          "Za d mazaro pa kaat khob kam, zma janan pa double bed kawi khoboona..."

          "Yaar pa burgero amukhta da - zmung sarry doddy ta laas na lagawina"

          Khudaya d tol Kandahar gul ky... d yaar d para ba daste gulaan rawrama

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