The Sum Total of an Indic Male's Life in Instagram Photos *sniff*

[UnknownUser]

No need to get personal sir. If I said Afghan culture includes "Bacha Bazi" it was an objective statement. So no need to take that statement personally because you are an Afghan. In order to mitigate the affect of a statement that has potential to stir of ethnic emotions on a Pashtun forum, I intentionally mentioned a controversy about my own "Indic" heritage in order to remove any doubt that my statement, no matter how objectively true, was made in the spirit of putting down another ethnic group.

The avarage Afghan wouldn't encourage Bacha Bazi. For something to be part of a culture, most people have to agree it's part of the culture or encourage/accept it, or have no problem it happening. The reality is Afghans look down on those individuals who do participate in this behavior. I wouldn't call this ''culture''. Culture is something agreed upon by majority of the people belonging to/identifying with said culture.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

No need to get personal sir. If I said Afghan culture includes "Bacha Bazi" it was an objective statement. So no need to take that statement personally because you are an Afghan. In order to mitigate the affect of a statement that has potential to stir of ethnic emotions on a Pashtun forum, I intentionally mentioned a controversy about my own "Indic" heritage in order to remove any doubt that my statement, no matter how objectively true, was made in the spirit of putting down another ethnic group.

Not getting personal at all, I'm just reminding you that Indics have a tendency to exhibit phony piety which makes them fundamentally very suspicious.

Your reasoning is absurd also, because that's like saying the fact crime exists in a society, that crime is apart of the culture. Something can't be "apart" of the culture unless it has cultural sanction, something that's a crime doesn't have sanction.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Nah, it's a great book (and film too)

Because you want so desperately to believe it's authentic

[ذو الفقار]

The avarage Afghan wouldn't encourage Bacha Bazi. For something to be part of a culture, most people have to agree it's part of the culture or encourage/accept it, or have no problem it happening. The reality is Afghans look down on those individuals who do participate in this behavior. I wouldn't call this ''culture''. Culture is something agreed upon by majority of the people belonging to/identifying with said culture.

Perhaps your statement is true at present, but historically not so. Historically “bacha bazi” was not viewed as that big of a deal by Afghans. Hence it is part of your cultural heritage, similar to certain practices in India like “Sati”. A lot of cultural practices become criminalized over time due to increasingly globalization, that is, globalization of cultural standards. For example, marriage is illegal in Pakistan for males before age 18 and for females before age 16. As time goes on, this will become normalized, but at present, especially in the rural areas, people still arrange marriages for teenagers younger than 18 and 16, because it is part of the culture, which a few laws in the books cannot so easily make vanish.

[UnknownUser]

Perhaps your statement is true at present, but historically not so. Historically “bacha bazi” was not viewed as that big of a deal by Afghans. Hence it is part of your cultural heritage, similar to certain practices in India like “Sati”. A lot of cultural practices become criminalized over time due to increasingly globalization, that is, globalization of cultural standards. For example, marriage is illegal in Pakistan for males before age 18 and for females before age 16. As time goes on, this will become normalized, but at present, especially in the rural areas, people still arrange marriages for teenagers younger than 18 and 16, because it is part of the culture, which a few laws in the books cannot so easily make vanish.

Indics and Afghans have very different cultures. You guys marry dogs, cows, snakes, whatever else. Marriages are arranged before birth. You really shouldn't compare Afghan and Indic cultures. There are not much similarity. So what applies to cultures in Indic subcontinent, doesn't apply to cultures elsewhere.

How do you know that ''historically it was not considered big deal''?

cultures in this region haven't changed drastically if you look at a bigger frame. So if people considered it no big deal before, it would probably be the norm by now, rather than something considered shameful/disgusting by the general public.

[Charsi Malang]

Perhaps your statement is true at present, but historically not so. Historically “bacha bazi” was not viewed as that big of a deal by Afghans. Hence it is part of your cultural heritage, similar to certain practices in India like “Sati”. A lot of cultural practices become criminalized over time due to increasingly globalization, that is, globalization of cultural standards. For example, marriage is illegal in Pakistan for males before age 18 and for females before age 16. As time goes on, this will become normalized, but at present, especially in the rural areas, people still arrange marriages for teenagers younger than 18 and 16, because it is part of the culture, which a few laws in the books cannot so easily make vanish.

It has never been part of any Afghans “cultural heritage”. Stop reading nonsense on the internet and in books and then come to a Pashtun forum and start spewing it out here.

It’s a disgraceful practice shunned by all Pashtuns. How the hell can it be a part or Afghan cultural heritage when it is blatantly against Islam? Afghan society has always been very conservative when it comes to Islam. Just because some sick people indulge in it doesn’t make “cultural heritage”. Don’t they have paedophiles amongst your Punjabis? Or amongst your Hindustani Muslims?

You unfortunately are a typical “desi” to the core mate. Coming here under the garb of some sort of extreme religious nut. Using Islam to mask your true intentions and thoughts- absolutely archetypal Desi-coming across as some authority on Pashtuns and Afghans. You are all the same- we see loads like you on this forum.

[Charsi Malang]

Of course there are shameful aspects of many different cultures. I mentioned previously the culture of tolerating the Heejray (Khusra / Shemales / Cross dressers) is in Pakistan because it was inherited from Hindu culture which is very sexually perverse and tolerant of all sorts of perversions.

That doesn't mean Afghan culture is spotless either. I'm sure we all know about the cultural problem of "Bacha Bazi" in Afghan culture.

The truth is every culture has negative aspects. Every aspect of a culture should be weighed on the balance of Islam, and based on Islam either accepted or rejected.

Yeah and as an overt Muslim you should stop spreading crap about Afghans who are also Muslims. Especially since you yourself highlighted that crossdressing has been inherited by Pakistan through Hindus.

[ذو الفقار]

It’s a disgraceful practice shunned by all Pashtuns. How the hell can it be a part or Afghan cultural heritage when it is blatantly against Islam? Afghan society has always been very conservative when it comes to Islam. Just because some sick people indulge in it doesn’t make “cultural heritage”. Don’t they have paedophiles amongst your Punjabis? Or amongst your Hindustani Muslims?

Afghan culture is 100% Islamic? You really believe that? No culture is 100% Islam, not even Arab culture. There are characteristics of every culture which are un-Islamic.

Pedophilia knows no borders. But I specifically mentioned "Bacha Bazi" which is a cultural expression unique to Afghanistan and central Asia. This expression of pederasty is not found anywhere else in the world. So it has to be something about your culture that this particular expression is unique to your people. This is why there are professional documentaries like "The Dancing Boys of Afghanistan" but not "The Dancing Boys of Mexico". Hope you understand my point. Your statement that this is a disgraceful practice "shunned by all Pashtuns" is another tall order. It can't be shunned by all of them if it continues to persist as such a widespread phenomenon especially if it is technically criminalized.

The bottom line is its no use trying to sanitize your cultural heritage because of your emotional attachment to it. Be objective and dispassionate and acknowledge the problems of your society as I have done repeatedly about my own. That is the real courage.

[Charsi Malang]

Afghan culture is 100% Islamic? You really believe that? No culture is 100% Islam, not even Arab culture. There are characteristics of every culture which are un-Islamic.

Pedophilia knows no borders. But I specifically mentioned "Bacha Bazi" which is a cultural expression unique to Afghanistan and central Asia. This expression of pederasty is not found anywhere else in the world. So it has to be something about your culture that this particular expression is unique to your people. This is why there are professional documentaries like "The Dancing Boys of Afghanistan" but not "The Dancing Boys of Mexico". Hope you understand my point. Your statement that this is a disgraceful practice "shunned by all Pashtuns" is another tall order. It can't be shunned by all of them if it continues to persist as such a widespread phenomenon especially if it is technically criminalized.

The bottom line is its no use trying to sanitize your cultural heritage because of your emotional attachment to it. Be objective and dispassionate and acknowledge the problems of your society as I have done repeatedly about my own. That is the real courage.

Don’t give me a lecture about courage you Desi hypocrite.

Bacha Bazi is just a term, like paedophilia. You have it in your own language Urdu/Hindi-it’s known as “launde bazi”. Again more rubbish coming out of your mouth- so this expression IS found in other languages. Twat- making out like Afghan culture is the only culture in which this is given a term. How deluded can you be? The expression or its equivalent exists in every language. It is shunned by all- trust me even the people that do it know that it is wrong. It’s like in your Punjab or Urdu speaking India or wherever your parents hail from- don’t they have prostitutes? Don’t they have dancing girls and boys? You ever heard of Heera Mandi?

Why are there professional documentaries about gays and paedophiles in Lahore and Karachi? I’ve seen them myself on national TV here in the UK, so don’t talk gibberish. On this forum you’re not addressing illiterate people that can’t answer back.

At least we have a culture. Unlike you- what culture do you have? Your culture comes from Hindus and non Muslims. The languages your parents speak- Urdu and Punjabi are spoken by millions of Mr. Singhs and Mr. Sharmas. That’s the reason why so many of your kind claim to be “Muslim and only Muslim”.

You’re slowly evolving into your true self now. That’s more like it- at least come out in the open and don’t use Islam as a cover up like the rest of your kind- that’s why nobody respects you people- Muslims and non Muslims alike.

[ذو الفقار]

Don’t give me a lecture about courage you Desi hypocrite.

Bacha Bazi is just a term, like paedophilia. You have it in your own language Urdu/Hindi-it’s known as “launde bazi”. Again more rubbish coming out of your mouth- so this expression IS found in other languages. Twat- making out like Afghan culture is the only culture in which this is given a term. How deluded can you be? The expression or its equivalent exists in every language.

Nice diversionary tactic. This is what's called a red herring. No one is arguing that the term "Bacha Bazi" doesn't have any equivalent in other languages. That was never the issue. The issue is that as a phenomenon this is something unique to Afghanistan. Tell me in what other culture is the phenomenon of making young boys dance to satisfy older men's sick desires a thing? You talk about how in India and Pakistan there is prostitution and prostitute women dancing, Heera Mandi, and what not. Did I ever deny this problem in our culture? But that is certainly not the same thing as "Bacha Bazi" and making boys dance that for some reason is more prevalent in Afghan culture. In other places, young boys are molested too by criminals. But there is no culture around doing it like "dancing boys". If it is done, it is done by lone criminals behind closed doors, never like this:



So this is certainly a cultural phenomenon in Afghanistan and not merely normal criminal activity that is totally unacceptable to be done openly in the society.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Nice diversionary tactic. This is what's called a red herring. No one is arguing that the term "Bacha Bazi" doesn't have any equivalent in other languages. That was never the issue. The issue is that as a phenomenon this is something unique to Afghanistan. Tell me in what other culture is the phenomenon of making young boys dance to satisfy older men's sick desires a thing? You talk about how in India and Pakistan there is prostitution and prostitute women dancing, Heera Mandi, and what not. Did I ever deny this problem in our culture? But that is certainly not the same thing as "Bacha Bazi" and making boys dance that for some reason is more prevalent in Afghan culture. In other places, young boys are molested too by criminals. But there is no culture around doing it like "dancing boys". If it is done, it is done by lone criminals behind closed doors, never like this:



So this is certainly a cultural phenomenon in Afghanistan and not merely normal criminal activity that is totally unacceptable to be done openly in the society.

Actually there's no red herring, the existence of words like bacha bazi, doesn't imply it's a normative phenomenon.....what you did was actually non-sequitur, as opposed to him making a red herring. And that is NOT done openly. That's a closed room not a public environment.

[Elias]

Nice diversionary tactic. This is what's called a red herring. No one is arguing that the term "Bacha Bazi" doesn't have any equivalent in other languages. That was never the issue. The issue is that as a phenomenon this is something unique to Afghanistan. Tell me in what other culture is the phenomenon of making young boys dance to satisfy older men's sick desires a thing? You talk about how in India and Pakistan there is prostitution and prostitute women dancing, Heera Mandi, and what not. Did I ever deny this problem in our culture? But that is certainly not the same thing as "Bacha Bazi" and making boys dance that for some reason is more prevalent in Afghan culture. In other places, young boys are molested too by criminals. But there is no culture around doing it like "dancing boys". If it is done, it is done by lone criminals behind closed doors, never like this:



So this is certainly a cultural phenomenon in Afghanistan and not merely normal criminal activity that is totally unacceptable to be done openly in the society.

Zulfi, just wanted to mention that "bacha bazi" doesn't mean "dancing boys" but someone who's attracted to a boy -> Paedophile. You extract your knowledge about Afghanistan from YouTube and ominous sites.

[salman47]

Nice diversionary tactic. This is what's called a red herring. No one is arguing that the term "Bacha Bazi" doesn't have any equivalent in other languages. That was never the issue. The issue is that as a phenomenon this is something unique to Afghanistan. Tell me in what other culture is the phenomenon of making young boys dance to satisfy older men's sick desires a thing? You talk about how in India and Pakistan there is prostitution and prostitute women dancing, Heera Mandi, and what not. Did I ever deny this problem in our culture? But that is certainly not the same thing as "Bacha Bazi" and making boys dance that for some reason is more prevalent in Afghan culture. In other places, young boys are molested too by criminals. But there is no culture around doing it like "dancing boys". If it is done, it is done by lone criminals behind closed doors, never like this:



So this is certainly a cultural phenomenon in Afghanistan and not merely normal criminal activity that is totally unacceptable to be done openly in the society.

Hey!
You're the only one who thinks 'dancing boys, erection, butt sex, money' when looking at a dancing person in our celebrations!
What we think is "a boy dancing to make us 'happy'(not your indic rapey happy), and being part of the joyous occasion we're enjoying"

[ذو الفقار]

Hey!
You're the only one who thinks 'dancing boys, erection, butt sex, money' when looking at a dancing person in our celebrations!
What we think is "a boy dancing to make us 'happy'(not your indic rapey happy), and being part of the joyous occasion we're enjoying"

You've obviously never seen the documentary:

"The Dancing Boys of Afghanistan"

or read the book "The Kite Runner"

[maneatinglizard]

Which culture is that?

I guess you never read the Kite Runner

Elves are cool creatures. What, you don't believe in them?

I guess you've never read The Lord of the Rings. Great books (and movies too).