Punjabi and Pashto

[Dost]

When I was talking to Samandri it was a Pashtun talking to another Pashtun about Pashtun problems. It wasn't for you to to take advantage and score points. Remember that you are a guest here and that this is a forum for us to discuss our culture, language, and society. It is not a place for you to score points. Like Samandri said to you earlier, when we say something against our fellow Pashtuns it is not a signal for Punjabis(or any non-Pashtun) to jump in and give their two cents.

Take advantage of what? Maybe you should grow up and also realize that some of us don't look at things on an ethnic basis?

If I am a guest here, then whose guest am I? Am I your guest? Does this forum belong to you and only Pashtuns can reply?

Mehman-nawazi does not work this way. I'm guessing you are a younger person, and so you are not experienced in how to speak with people. I know Samandri from over 7 years, and here you come to jump in between our conversation. I did not invite you. We say harsh things to each other, but I know for a fact neither one of us means any disrespect to each other.

Listen my young friend, I don't come here to insult or degrade Pashtun people. The only thing I do is respond to certain people that insult Punjabi/Pakistani people. I have an ID on a Pakistani forum, and I have never disrespected Pashtun people over there either.

If you really want to get into your beliefs, then tell me are you Muslim or are you Pashtun first?

Like Samandri says, there is no watan-parasti, nor is there any quam-parasti in Islam.

So please explain what your views are regarding this.

[Traveller]

Take advantage of what? Maybe you should grow up and also realize that some of us don't look at things on an ethnic basis?

If I am a guest here, then whose guest am I? Am I your guest? Does this forum belong to you and only Pashtuns can reply?

Mehman-nawazi does not work this way. I'm guessing you are a younger person, and so you are not experienced in how to speak with people. I know Samandri from over 7 years, and here you come to jump in between our conversation. I did not invite you. We say harsh things to each other, but I know for a fact neither one of us means any disrespect to each other.

Listen my young friend, I don't come here to insult or degrade Pashtun people. The only thing I do is respond to certain people that insult Punjabi/Pakistani people. I have an ID on a Pakistani forum, and I have never disrespected Pashtun people over there either.

If you really want to get into your beliefs, then tell me are you Muslim or are you Pashtun first?

Like Samandri says, there is no watan-parasti, nor is there any quam-parasti in Islam.

So please explain what your views are regarding this.

Why do you always hide behind Islam when people attack you? I agree we should be Muslims first but at the same time just as you would not poke your nose into the affairs of another Muslim family when they are having an internal conflict in the same way you should not stick your nose into the internal problems of other Muslim communities and use them to score points in your arguments with people.

You are the guest of all the Pashtuns on this forum. You are welcome to post here as long as you don't insult us or lie about us(the way you did when you said Pashtuns are closer to Sikhs than Pakistani Punjabis).

You seem bipolar or like someone that is rejected and does not have any friends who is looking for acceptance. On the one hand you are always getting into fights or acting like someone on this forum inflicted emotional trauma on you and on the other hand whenever someone is even a little nice to you, you make a "yaar" out of them and start a song and dance about how "we are all humans" and how you love all Muslims. I initially kind of liked you and felt that some people on this forum were being too harsh on you but now you are starting to look like an attention-seeker to me.

[Dost]

Why do you always hide behind Islam when people attack you? I agree we should be Muslims first but at the same time just as you would not poke your nose into the affairs of another Muslim family when they are having an internal conflict in the same way you should not stick your nose into the internal problems of other Muslim communities and use them to score points in your arguments with people.

You are the guest of all the Pashtuns on this forum. You are welcome to post here as long as you don't insult us or lie about us(the way you did when you said Pashtuns are closer to Sikhs than Pakistani Punjabis).

You seem bipolar or like someone that is rejected and does not have any friends who is looking for acceptance. On the one hand you are always getting into fights or acting like someone on this forum inflicted emotional trauma on you and on the other hand whenever someone is even a little nice to you, you make a "yaar" out of them and start a song and dance about how "we are all humans" and how you love all Muslims. I initially kind of liked you and felt that some people on this forum were being too harsh on you but now you are starting to look like an attention-seeker to me.

That's a very apt and astute observation. Any time someone is nice to me, I yell 'Yaar' and like to sing songs. I even dance. I do love all Muslims and humans. I'm so glad you could psycho-analyze me so well. I might even share my life story with you.

lol

Since you are such a mature and observational person, perhaps you can explain why members on this site are so anti-punjabi/pakistani?I don't go out of my way to bring other people down, but to any neutral person, it seems like your website only praises Pashtun people by insulting Punjabi people. So, maybe you can tell me how that is fair or even rational?

If I have something good to say about Punjabi people, I don't feel the need to mention Pashtuns; or claim they are not as good as us. Maybe you should look at this and sing a sad song. Even a slow poised bollywood dance would do.

Don't feel bad for me. I am your enemy. You should hate me because I hide behind Islam. Only Pashtuns follow Islam. The rest of us are out here to destroy you and your beliefs.And trust me young man, this forum is time pass while I am at work, or when I have a bit of insomnia. Don't flatter your self. Regarding Mehman-nawazi. Who in their right mind accepts a guest and then berates and does tanz on them? That is the most cheap and **** like behavior I would have ever seen. Do you invite guests to your house and remind them that they are drinking your tea and are in your house? LOL

You have no class, nor do most of the 'Pashtuns' on this forum.


I realize that you are going to become defensive and erratic. Just point out the Pakistani/Punjabi forums where people mention Pashtuns. On the other hand, Pashtuns cannot stop themselves from writing the word Punjabi on this forum.Talk about attention seeking.

Take care.

[Traveller]

That's a very apt and astute observation. Any time someone is nice to me, I yell 'Yaar' and like to sing songs. I even dance. I do love all Muslims and humans. I'm so glad you could psycho-analyze me so well. I might even share my life story with you.

lol

Since you are such a mature and observational person, perhaps you can explain why members on this site are so anti-punjabi/pakistani?I don't go out of my way to bring other people down, but to any neutral person, it seems like your website only praises Pashtun people by insulting Punjabi people. So, maybe you can tell me how that is fair or even rational?

If I have something good to say about Punjabi people, I don't feel the need to mention Pashtuns; or claim they are not as good as us. Maybe you should look at this and sing a sad song. Even a slow poised bollywood dance would do.

Don't feel bad for me. I am your enemy. You should hate me because I hide behind Islam. Only Pashtuns follow Islam. The rest of us are out here to destroy you and your beliefs.And trust me young man, this forum is time pass while I am at work, or when I have a bit of insomnia. Don't flatter your self. Regarding Mehman-nawazi. Who in their right mind accepts a guest and then berates and does tanz on them? That is the most cheap and **** like behavior I would have ever seen. Do you invite guests to your house and remind them that they are drinking your tea and are in your house? LOL

You have no class, nor do most of the 'Pashtuns' on this forum.


I realize that you are going to become defensive and erratic. Just point out the Pakistani/Punjabi forums where people mention Pashtuns. On the other hand, Pashtuns cannot stop themselves from writing the word Punjabi on this forum.Talk about attention seeking.

Take care.

Why are you being so melodramatic? I have no issue with normal, sensible Punjabis, in fact as I am writing this I am sitting in Lahore, Punjab and I have been having a pleasant time with local Punjabis since I began my stay here. You on the other hand are a drama-baaz that is always starting some kind of drama online. The "are Afghans super-humans" thread is an example of this.
And there are many racist idiots on this forum but at the same time you will find a lot of criticism of Pashtun society and culture.

And if you go to a Pakistani forum like defence.pk you will see how anyone who loves Pakistan is glorified and put on a pedestal while people who make the slightest criticism of Pakistan are banned. This shows that racism and hate is not a one-way street. In fact I'd say that defence.Pk is probably more intolerant then PF.

[Dost]

Why are you being so melodramatic? I have no issue with normal, sensible Punjabis, in fact as I am writing this I am sitting in Lahore, Punjab and I have been having a pleasant time with local Punjabis since I began my stay here. You on the other hand are a drama-baaz that is always starting some kind of drama online. The "are Afghans super-humans" thread is an example of this.
And there are many racist idiots on this forum but at the same time you will find a lot of criticism of Pashtun society and culture.

And if you go to a Pakistani forum like defence.pk you will see how anyone who loves Pakistan is glorified and put on a pedestal while people who make the slightest criticism of Pakistan are banned. This shows that racism and hate is not a one-way street. In fact I'd say that defence.Pk is probably more intolerant then PF.

Fuk off Luffy. You wasted my time.

Be happy.

[Dost]

haramzaada

[Charsi Malang]

If you really want to get into your beliefs, then tell me are you Muslim or are you Pashtun first?

Like Samandri says, there is no watan-parasti, nor is there any quam-parasti in Islam.

So please explain what your views are regarding this.

Here we go again, the usual "are you a Muslim first?" rhetoric. In case you haven't noticed there are around 2 billion Muslims all over the world and they all have differing languages and culture-there is no way they all have entirely homogenous beliefs or ways- it's naive to say the least to ask these kind of questions. Do you ask all the Punjabis or Mohajirs celebrating Pakistani Independence Day whether they are Muslims or Pakistanis first? If you are such a "super Muslim" what the hell are you doing on this forum? Your time would be better spent offering salah or doing something in the way of Allah (swt). In case you haven't noticed you can be a Muslim and Pashtun at the same time.

Typical Pakistani/Indic counters-when all else fails, bring religion into it and try and elevate yourself to a higher level. LOL.

[Charsi Malang]

Dost is habitual liar, dont believe him. Punjabis themselves acknowledge that most of them dont offer prayers and many dont fast in Ramadan. Any regular nimazi is labelled "maulvi" in Punjabi society. In any mixed gathering, Pashtuns will offer prayers , Punjabis wont. In fact Punjabis have saying "Pathan Janay Ramazan Janay" meaning Roza/sawm is thing of Pathans not us. But they are not the most unclean people in Pakistan, that award goes to rural Sindhis.

I have heard Punjabis become more Hindu-ish and Sikh-ish when they settle in western countries. They return to their roots, the "desi-pan"

They mix with the other ethnicities that speak the same languages i.e. Hindi/Urdu/Punjabi like back in the good old days.....lol. So outsiders or natives of the host countries can't differentiate between Pakistanis and Indians.

[Charsi Malang]

That was an estimate based on my own interactions, which you are right are not extremely vast and so they cannot be completely accurate. But Pashtuns definitely do often turn bad in the west to extreme degrees. This is a problem shared by all iranic people in the west, the worst ones are Iranians and I have heard Afghan Persian speakers are also pretty bad. I haven't heard of Punjabi Muslims getting into this kind of behaviour, but then again that could be due to lack of interaction. And it is true that Punjabis and Muhajirs rediscover their Indic roots in the west, but the place where I live is an exception to this for reasons I don't completely understand. Pakistanis and Indians are not very close over there.

Are you seriously trying to tell us that people of Punjabi origin don't turn "bad" in the West? Come on brother.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Listen my young friend, I don't come here to insult or degrade Pashtun people. The only thing I do is respond to certain people that insult Punjabi/Pakistani people. I have an ID on a Pakistani forum, and I have never disrespected Pashtun people over there either.

If you really want to get into your beliefs, then tell me are you Muslim or are you Pashtun first?

Like Samandri says, there is no watan-parasti, nor is there any quam-parasti in Islam.

So please explain what your views are regarding this.

You seem to be suggesting that you're Muslim first; using tha stereotypical old failing black mail tactic that Pakistani Military uses .

But the question is, you should ask yourself ARE YOU Muslim first? If si, then why are you a Pakistani Nationalist? Pakistan doesn't represent the entire population of Muslims. Muslims from abroad aren't automatically Pakistani Nationals. This suggests you aren't Muslim first at all. So then why should this question be relevant?

[Samandri]

If I am a guest here, then whose guest am I? Am I your guest? Does this forum belong to you and only Pashtuns can reply?

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You and Karachi are cut from the same cloths..........indiocy

[Traveller]

Are you seriously trying to tell us that people of Punjabi origin don't turn "bad" in the West? Come on brother.

They do but the thing is that they can't "drown" themselves in Western society. As [MENTION=19985]maneatinglizard[/MENTION] stated it is largely due to their overtly "foreign" facial features.

[miniskit]

Indians integrate better then muslims in western countries. If by integration you mean mass rapes of european women then Afghans are ahead. Otherwise Indians are better integrated in USA by any stretch of imagination. Only recent migrants will have problem adjusting early on. We don't have problem with alcohol or eating any food. That put us ahead of pretty much every muslim origin person out there. We also tend to be less conservative by order of magnitude compared to afghans. I don't believe afghans back home support taliban but when in western soil suddenly integrate like any other white, nice theory but not believable.

[Elias]

Do you know what Pashto sound like? Take a tin box and put some stones in it, close the lid and shake the box about. Thats what your language sounds like.

As a not native pashto speaker I am in the position to express my opinion about pashto being a harsh language. No it doesn't. Pashto sounds very clear and beautiful same can't be said about DingDangBole languages.

[salman47]

Where exactly in the Pakistani side of the Durand Line are you from? If I may ask.

Warsak(all of it,, lol)!

P.S. I hope you don't get offended by me. I have pissed many of my Pakistani Pashtun friends before(Abroad I mean) just because I Love/Support Afghanistan, and also spread the actual Afghan History(which is never taught in the first place).