The wine-makers of Pakistan's north

[marwat]

http://www.dawn.com/news/1214128/the-wine-makers-of-pakistans-north

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

alcohol consumption is very common in Pakistan. As long as there are ANP pathans, there is market for alcoholic drinks.

[marwat]

alcohol consumption is very common in Pakistan. As long as there are ANP pathans, there is market for alcoholic drinks.

ANP pathans are very religious. don't associate alcoholic drinks with them. the top boss may be alcoholic but this is their personal thing ,and in no way justify to quote ANP with alcoholic

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

ANP pathans are very religious. don't associate alcoholic drinks with them. the top boss may be alcoholic but this is their personal thing ,and in no way justify to quote ANP with alcoholic

a group and a movement is judged by the conduct of its leaders. I've seen Afrasiab Khattak getting drunk in Kabul. If the top brass are alcoholic, the foot soldiers are probably the same.

And if ANP are religious, their religious probably something else, not Islam.

[marwat]

a group and a movement is judged by the conduct of its leaders. I've seen Afrasiab Khattak getting drunk in Kabul. If the top brass are alcoholic, the foot soldiers are probably the same.

And if ANP are religious, their religious probably something else, not Islam.

what you fail to recognize that consuming alcohol by a party leader has nothing to do with the party matters. where is the logic in it.
Afraisab khattak is alcoholic, you said that, do you have any single bit info related to alcohol consumption about other party leaders?

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

what you fail to recognize that consuming alcohol by a party leader has nothing to do with the party matters. where is the logic in it.
Afraisab khattak is alcoholic, you said that, do you have any single bit info related to alcohol consumption about other party leaders?

Are you seriously claiming ANP is not an alcoholic party? Many members (former members) of PF will feel seriously offended if they see you claiming they don't drink alcohol.

In fact, one famous ANP dude here use to get drunk and post trash on my page.

[marwat]

Are you seriously claiming ANP is not an alcoholic party? Many members (former members) of PF will feel seriously offended if they see you claiming they don't drink alcohol.

In fact, one famous ANP dude here use to get drunk and post trash on my page.

yes and No, alcohol is something elites are used to. it's a regular drink to them , ANP leaders is as much alcoholic as other single party leaders are in muslim world. it's not fair to single them out.

most of ANP voters are very conservative. they are in no way secularist rather ultra nationalist driven by ANP nationalism narrative

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

yes and No, alcohol is something elites are used to. it's a regular drink to them , ANP leaders is as much alcoholic as other single party leaders are in muslim world. it's not fair to single them out.

most of ANP voters are very conservative. they are in no way secularist rather ultra nationalist driven by ANP nationalism narrative

ultra nationalist cannot be religious. if they are religious, I assume you mean muslim, what draws them to vote for a secular immoral corrupt party of fornicators and deceivers?

I am not singling out ANP. I know for fact how they are like because I know them better than any other party in Pakistan. I can't say anything about other Pakistani parties. Although I have reason to believe in some JI guys are engaged in all sorts of immorality. But I havent seen any evidence with my own eyes.

[Samandri]

a group and a movement is judged by the conduct of its leaders. I've seen Afrasiab Khattak getting drunk in Kabul. If the top brass are alcoholic, the foot soldiers are probably the same.

And if ANP are religious, their religious probably something else, not Islam.

I have seen ANP leaders drinking too in a mehfil. Not just their leaders, but some of their student leaders and members attached to PSF also drink sharab in their rooms in hostels of colleges and universities. Surely not all of them, but it speaks volume about their approach to the matter. Overall Sharab consumption in Pashtun society is minimum, rare. In Punjab and Sindh, Sharab drinking is relatively more common. It might be, that some of ANP-walas are drinking alcohol and watching vulgar mujras to appear more "Secular" and "liberal".

That being said, even good practicing muslims can be "kafir" and "mushrik" if viewed from Wahabi lenses.

[marwat]

my experience says pashtun in KP are very less alcoholic than the other communities in pakistan. the people of hazara division Mansehra, haripur and abbottabad have the highest alcohol consumer.

[khushal]

Alcohol makes you lose inhibitions and shame therefore ghyrat. Thats explains a lot about pakis.