who are Pakistanis closer too, Afghans or Sri lankans?

[Bengal_Tiger]

Though I don't agree with a lot of what [MENTION=2329]Karachi[/MENTION] says, I do believe he is a nice person and has a good heart.

Punjabi abuse of Karachi.

If you follow this forum and understand a little about Pakistan you will see that all of the "Pakistani nationalists" (Punjabi nationalists/supremacists), insult Karachi's background as an Urdu-speaking "Mohajir" (those Indian Muslims who migrated to Pakistan during partition) derisorily referring to him as a "Bhaiya" (mocking slang word for Karachites/Mohajirs).

This includes trolls such as tripedouble, Tillian_joa, Pakwatan (the troll who said he was from the Hazara division, northern Pakistan on defence.pk using his "Razpak" handle, and then said he was a Saraiki, from southern Pakistan on this forum).

You may say well this is the internet and a forum so people hurl insults, semi-humorously sometimes.

However deeper than that there is a fundamental belief that - despite all the standard nationalist rhetoric these Pakistani/Punjabi nationalists that have infiltrated this forum throw about "Pakistani unity" and "oneness" - Mohajirs are "lesser".

"Lesser" racially and "lesser" in their Pakistaniness.

If a person who was Saraiki and was a liberal (e.g not a hardcore military fanboy like tripletrouble or Tillian_joga) and was expressing the same sort of anti-militarism, anti-fundamentalism ideas that Karachi is, his being a Saraiki would not be brought up.

His region of Punjab would not be discussed, no comments about Multan, Jhang, Bhawalpur etc.

The only thing that might be mentioned is that he is a "traitor liberal", India-loving, or an Indian in disguise etc.

Punjabi-ness (and its subsets e.g. Saraikiness) is not seen as something to be derided.

However being a Mohajir or "Bhaiya" is seen with contempt and derision.

People like [MENTION=1201]Toramana[/MENTION] will know what I am talking about, as we have very few active and mature Pashtuns from Pakistan on this forum.

I feel and sympathize with a Mohajir like Karachi when I see the mocking racism directed towards him from Punjabis like Tillian_joga, driveltrouble and Pakwatan (a.k.a. Razpak a.k.a. Shamain).

This sort of racism and racial superiority complex is ultimately what led to 1971 and the surrender and humiliation of the American-backed Pakistan military.



Surrender of 90,000 Pakistanis to Bangladeshi-Indian forces in 1971.

[Karachi]

Though I don't agree with a lot of what @Karachi says, I do believe he is a nice person and has a good heart.

Punjabi abuse of Karachi.

If you follow this forum and understand a little about Pakistan you will see that all of the "Pakistani nationalists" (Punjabi nationalists/supremacists), insult Karachi's background as an Urdu-speaking "Mohajir" (those Indian Muslims who migrated to Pakistan during partition) derisorily referring to him as a "Bhaiya" (mocking slang word for Karachites/Mohajirs).

This includes trolls such as tripedouble, Tillian_joa, Pakwatan (the troll who said he was from the Hazara division, northern Pakistan on defence.pk using his "Razpak" handle, and then said he was a Saraiki, from southern Pakistan on this forum).

You may say well this is the internet and a forum so people hurl insults, semi-humorously sometimes.

However deeper than that there is a fundamental belief that - despite all the standard nationalist rhetoric these Pakistani/Punjabi nationalists that have infiltrated this forum throw about "Pakistani unity" and "oneness" - Mohajirs are "lesser".

"Lesser" racially and "lesser" in their Pakistaniness.

If a person who was Saraiki and was a liberal (e.g not a hardcore military fanboy like tripletrouble or Tillian_joga) and was expressing the same sort of anti-militarism, anti-fundamentalism ideas that Karachi is, his being a Saraiki would not be brought up.

His region of Punjab would not be discussed, no comments about Multan, Jhang, Bhawalpur etc.

The only thing that might be mentioned is that he is a "traitor liberal", India-loving, or an Indian in disguise etc.

Punjabi-ness (and its subsets e.g. Saraikiness) is not seen as something to be derided.

However being a Mohajir or "Bhaiya" is seen with contempt and derision.

People like @Toramana will know what I am talking about, as we have very few active and mature Pashtuns from Pakistan on this forum.

I feel and sympathize with a Mohajir like Karachi when I see the mocking racism directed towards him from Punjabis like Tillian_joga, driveltrouble and Pakwatan (a.k.a. Razpak a.k.a. Shamain).

This sort of racism and racial superiority complex is ultimately what led to 1971 and the surrender and humiliation of the American-backed Pakistan military.



Surrender of 90,000 Pakistanis to Bangladeshi-Indian forces in 1971.

Dont worry about it Bengal Tiger, I deal with these sort of pakistanis on daily basis, many of them are on my facebook, they dont bother me at all.

These people are probably the most fakest of people to ever exist. The thing is, they even lie to themselves. They know they are the biggest of losers, yet pretend to be always winning. Pak nationalism is the among the most stupidest fake things in the world

The thing that bothers me though is when they use the Islam card for their purpose, because they bring down the whole muslim world and Islam itself with them

so many of these people on my facebook support guys like (Hafiz Saeed) for example, yet on a different day they are listening to bollywood songs and watching indian movies.

All in all these morons are the biggest hypocrites the world has ever seen and nobody takes them seriously. Even many pakistanis are against them now

[Bengal_Tiger]

Dont worry about it Bengal Tiger, I deal with these sort of pakistanis on daily basis, many of them are on my facebook, they dont bother me at all.

These people are probably the most fakest of people to ever exist. The thing is, they even lie to themselves. They know they are the biggest of losers, yet pretend to be always winning. Pak nationalism is the among the most stupidest fake things in the world

The thing that bothers me though is when they use the Islam card for their purpose, because they bring down the whole muslim world and Islam itself with them

so many of these people on my facebook support guys like (Hafiz Saeed) for example, yet on a different day they are listening to bollywood songs and watching indian movies.

All in all these morons are the biggest hypocrites the world has ever seen and nobody takes them seriously. Even many pakistanis are against them now

Though I'm not a fan of Pakistan by any means I do find it admirable that there is a degree of deep respect for Islam in the country and society (aside from simultaneous hypocrisy and other issues).

However before the internet/social media age, the Mullahs had a monopoly on what they could say and their interpretations of "Islam", now people are more critical. Mullahs are a backwards and retrogressive force in places like Pakistan. Bangladesh to an extent too but Bangladeshis by nature are just milder, softer, less aggressive people so too are our Mullahs, who do have a lot of power but are also kept in check to an extent too.

I had Mohajir friends, from Karachi. They were proud Pakistanis and loved Pakistan but at times they told me of the discrimination and arrogance they faced from Punjabis.

The thing that bothers me though is when they use the Islam card for their purpose, because they bring down the whole muslim world and Islam itself with them

Yes.

Pakistan has huge support amongst major Muslim states such as Saudi and Turkey who turn a blind eye to what the military do/did in places like Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Balochistan, FATA etc.

so many of these people on my facebook support guys like (Hafiz Saeed) for example, yet on a different day they are listening to bollywood songs and watching indian movies.

Pakistan is an army-state.

Pakistanis feel obliged to be chest-thumping army worshippers. If they just chilled out and realized that they don't have to hate India or have to prove how "tough" and "hard" they are, or what a supposedly "glorious" nation they are, they could focus on building the country up and making it a better place to live.


The Pakwatans, Tilla_jogians, Tripletrouble and other chest-beating Pakistan army worshippers are the sort of militant nationalists ruining the country and destroying it e.g. over 1 million Pakistani refugees in the north made homeless due to bombing.

Actually those 1 million "Pakistani" refugees are Pashtuns, so they don't really count and the bombing is done by the glorious Pakistan army, so that makes it totally OK now, and anyone who opposes or questions this bombing is an "enemy of Pakistan" and can/should be killed if needs be.

[Karachi]

Though I'm not a fan of Pakistan by any means I do find it admirable that there is a degree of deep respect for Islam in the country and society (aside from simultaneous hypocrisy and other issues).

However before the internet/social media age, the Mullahs had a monopoly on what they could say and their interpretations of "Islam", now people are more critical. Mullahs are a backwards and retrogressive force in places like Pakistan. Bangladesh to an extent too but Bangladeshis by nature are just milder, softer, less aggressive people so too are our Mullahs, who do have a lot of power but are also kept in check to an extent too.

I had Mohajir friends, from Karachi. They were proud Pakistanis and loved Pakistan but at times they told me of the discrimination and arrogance they faced from Punjabis.



Yes.

Pakistan has huge support amongst major Muslim states such as Saudi and Turkey who turn a blind eye to what the military do/did in places like Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Balochistan, FATA etc.





Pakistan is an army-state.

Pakistanis feel obliged to be chest-thumping army worshippers. If they just chilled out and realized that they don't have to hate India or have to prove how "tough" and "hard" they are, or what a supposedly "glorious" nation they are, they could focus on building the country up and making it a better place to live.


The Pakwatans, Tilla_jogians, Tripletrouble and other chest-beating Pakistan army worshippers are the sort of militant nationalists ruining the country and destroying it e.g. over 1 million Pakistani refugees in the north made homeless due to bombing.

Actually those 1 million "Pakistani" refugees are Pashtuns, so they don't really count and the bombing is done by the glorious Pakistan army, so that makes it totally OK now, and anyone who opposes or questions this bombing is an "enemy of Pakistan" and can/should be killed if needs be.

In my heart I still wanted pakistan to succeed up until few years ago, because after all it was the work our ancestors, including yours. However now I have lost all hope, because the actual people who are doing good in pakistan like (Edhi, Burney) for example are very few in numbers, and they have no power to influence the country. The whole country is taken over by fake nationalistic idiots. In reality these people will sell their mothers for few american dollars, this has been proven many times already, but they just act tough and nationalistic infront of others

[Azmal]

The day I see this in Afghanistan is the day I tell people I am Syrian or something.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1200443/pak...-national-flag

Sorry to say that was a stupid comment. These are human being, god’s creature.

[Azmal]

The answer is Afghans

1- Share same religion though Islam of desi/indics is quite polluted with Hindu practices, specially in the sufis of Qadria silsila.....The people of Sindh, are totally into bid'aat and Hindu-ish practices, their Islam is dancing and drinking bang on shrine of Lal Shehbaz Qalander who by the way was Pashtun from Maiwand, Afghanistan. So they are disrespecting the qabar of a naik Pashtun buzarg.

2- Dress : same Shalwar Kameez. Pashtun rulers of India introduced Shalwar Kamaeez, the muslm dress there. Wasket and chapal of Pashtuns/Afghans has become poular throughtout Pakistan. Pakol is introduced to Punjab and Sindh through Pashtuns. Heck even the Kurakul cap, which they call jinnah cap, was introduced into India through Afghan/Pashtuns (the cap itself is from uzbekistan)

3- The language: The Urdu language of indo-pak got developed in three regions 1- Delhi of Mughals, 2- Awadh of persians 3- Rampur, Bareilly and Bhopal of Pashtuns

The fact is Pakistan was created for Muslims primarily of Indian cultural background based on problems and conflicts which pertained strictly with Hindustan. What did Pashtons have to do with it? Absolutely Nothing!!! Pashton and Baloch tegather makes less then 20% of Pakistan’s population…in addition legally Afghanistan do not recognized Durand thus Pashton and Baloch are NOT Pakistani…We Afghans have nothing in common with people of Punjab and Sind except religion. This is why here in west you will find Pakistani associating more with Indian then Afghans.

[Azmal]

The answer is Afghans

1- Share same religion though Islam of desi/indics is quite polluted with Hindu practices, specially in the sufis of Qadria silsila.....The people of Sindh, are totally into bid'aat and Hindu-ish practices, their Islam is dancing and drinking bang on shrine of Lal Shehbaz Qalander who by the way was Pashtun from Maiwand, Afghanistan. So they are disrespecting the qabar of a naik Pashtun buzarg.

2- Dress : same Shalwar Kameez. Pashtun rulers of India introduced Shalwar Kamaeez, the muslm dress there. Wasket and chapal of Pashtuns/Afghans has become poular throughtout Pakistan. Pakol is introduced to Punjab and Sindh through Pashtuns. Heck even the Kurakul cap, which they call jinnah cap, was introduced into India through Afghan/Pashtuns (the cap itself is from uzbekistan)

3- The language: The Urdu language of indo-pak got developed in three regions 1- Delhi of Mughals, 2- Awadh of persians 3- Rampur, Bareilly and Bhopal of Pashtuns

Pakistanis recently adopted wearing "Shalwar Kameez" just as their woman had stopped wearing Sari.
There are Punjabi national dress.





Sindhi nation dress

[Pakwatan]

Dont worry about it Bengal Tiger, I deal with these sort of pakistanis on daily basis, many of them are on my facebook, they dont bother me at all.

These people are probably the most fakest of people to ever exist. The thing is, they even lie to themselves. They know they are the biggest of losers, yet pretend to be always winning. Pak nationalism is the among the most stupidest fake things in the world

The thing that bothers me though is when they use the Islam card for their purpose, because they bring down the whole muslim world and Islam itself with them

so many of these people on my facebook support guys like (Hafiz Saeed) for example, yet on a different day they are listening to bollywood songs and watching indian movies.

All in all these morons are the biggest hypocrites the world has ever seen and nobody takes them seriously. Even many pakistanis are against them now

Mother ****er Indian. Where do you live in Canada?

Teri paan di khuss mara panchod kalay mun walay hijraya. I would personally travel from Texas to Toronto to bury your head with a brick, you piece of **** mother ****er.

If you are so brave, share your address kalay kanjar hindu bhaiya. If you thought giving your ass to Afghanis was not pain, then wait till we are done with you panchod.

Ganday Altaf hussein di kanjri ma di alaud.

[Adam]

Mother ****er Indian. Where do you live in Canada?

Teri paan di khuss mara panchod kalay mun walay hijraya. I would personally travel from Texas to Toronto to bury your head with a brick, you piece of **** mother ****er.

If you are so brave, share your address kalay kanjar hindu bhaiya. If you thought giving your ass to Afghanis was not pain, then wait till we are done with you panchod.

Ganday Altaf hussein di kanjri ma di alaud.

LOL, its the internet dude calm down.

[tilla_jogian]

Pakistanis recently adopted wearing "Shalwar Kameez" just as their woman had stopped wearing Sari.
There are Punjabi national dress.





Sindhi nation dress

Don't make up history, panjabay from Jhalandhar thought you how to write in pashto. Have some sharam and ghairat. If we believe these theories then it seem like sikhs introduced shalwar kameez to pakhtuns.

[tilla_jogian]

Mother ****er Indian. Where do you live in Canada?

Teri paan di khuss mara panchod kalay mun walay hijraya. I would personally travel from Texas to Toronto to bury your head with a brick, you piece of **** mother ****er.

If you are so brave, share your address kalay kanjar hindu bhaiya. If you thought giving your ass to Afghanis was not pain, then wait till we are done with you panchod.

Ganday Altaf hussein di kanjri ma di alaud.

[Badlun]

The answer is Afghans

1- Share same religion though Islam of desi/indics is quite polluted with Hindu practices, specially in the sufis of Qadria silsila.....The people of Sindh, are totally into bid'aat and Hindu-ish practices, their Islam is dancing and drinking bang on shrine of Lal Shehbaz Qalander who by the way was Pashtun from Maiwand, Afghanistan. So they are disrespecting the qabar of a naik Pashtun buzarg.

2- Dress : same Shalwar Kameez. Pashtun rulers of India introduced Shalwar Kamaeez, the muslm dress there. Wasket and chapal of Pashtuns/Afghans has become poular throughtout Pakistan. Pakol is introduced to Punjab and Sindh through Pashtuns. Heck even the Kurakul cap, which they call jinnah cap, was introduced into India through Afghan/Pashtuns (the cap itself is from uzbekistan)

3- The language: The Urdu language of indo-pak got developed in three regions 1- Delhi of Mughals, 2- Awadh of persians 3- Rampur, Bareilly and Bhopal of Pashtuns

The better Islam, the Sufi Islam , is that of Indics not that of Wahabi terror called Islam of Pashtuns. Because of this Islam of Pashtuns, Pashtuns are burning and Indics are enjoying life. Extreme monotheism is terror.

[tripledouble]

Why does every alcohol drinking pakistani nationalist like you always bring Islam in the middle? Sri Lankans, Indians etc.. are successful because they have no extremist Islamic influence in their countries. If Sri Lanka was Islamic, it would most likely resemble Pakistan and Afghanistan

I was kidding u bloody haraami Haha chillax

[Yousufzai]

The day I see this in Afghanistan is the day I tell people I am Syrian or something.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1200443/pak...-national-flag

So massive amounts of corruption at all levels, inequality, decades of war, patriarchy, and all kinds of human rights abuses are fine, but the moment trans people (who exist in every society) gain some visibility, you'd be ashamed to call yourself Afghan?

[Azmal]

Don't make up history, panjabay from Jhalandhar thought you how to write in pashto. Have some sharam and ghairat. If we believe these theories then it seem like sikhs introduced shalwar kameez to pakhtuns.

Yea in cold mountain of Gujrat and Punjab where Karakul sheep roam comes the Karakul hat..so to keep up with his forefather tradition Jinnahbhai son of Kem cho was wearing Karakul hat. The same with Shalwar Kameez which was worn in cold mountains of Punjab to keep the people warm from snow and cold. As you can see the other half of Punjab still wears their Kameez partog when they do their Bhangra.





Haareeepaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa bala bala. ahaha lol


Here is the Kameez Partog Ranjit sing was wear....





Get lost Paki clown…we don’t like you Punjo cockroaches.