Lady liberty and malalai of maiwand

[DaZahroJaam.]

what is the difference between lady liberty leading the troops during the French Revolution at 1830 and malalai of maiwand at maiwand in 1880??

[abdul_]

life under the british would have had more liberty than whoever was ruling the pashtuns in maiwand.

imho all our wars of so called independence has been wars of self-destruction. we should have not fought the british and we should have not fought the russians.

[DaZahroJaam.]

I honestly don't know where that came from in this topic but what I believe to be the problem with what you are referring to in not necessarily fighting but the way we chose to fight. You are right, we have been self destructive every single time.

I think of other countries who were enslaved/colonized for decades. They fought their way to freedom and came out of it so much more capable as a nation.. Look at our poor state. All we have is the claim to being unconquerable. In a couple of years from now, we would be biting on each other in the streets.

[abdul_]

From the british to the russians, there were more afghans on the side of the invader than against them.

shah shuja brought the british and when it comes to the russians, more afghans were fighting on the side of the russians than against them. the same with americans.

[DaZahroJaam.]

that just means people have desperately wanted change. not necessarily that they were right to side with russians or the english because they were the majority in counts.

[کیش]

The Europeans do not, and will never stop, on their crusade to keep Muslim countries dilapidated, ignorant, and have continuous inner conflicts. they love to see Muslims fight and kill each other, while Europeans give weapons to both sides and use journalism to propagate to their ignorant citizens how uncivilized Muslim people are. Europeans will say the only way to protect civilians and their interest is to conduct bombing campaigns and build military bases. And if there bases get attacked the news will air 24/7 on how barbaric Muslims are for attacking peace keeping soldiers who have guns pointed to them.

The only way for Afghans and the Ummah from South Africa to central Asia to rise is to unite their economies which will stick it to those white devils. Stop buying and using their devil products. We need to start pooling our money to create our own communities that will be for us and by us.

*This is the truth. And possibly nothing to do with OP.

[کیش]

From the british to the russians, there were more afghans on the side of the invader than against them.

shah shuja brought the british and when it comes to the russians, more afghans were fighting on the side of the russians than against them. the same with americans.

The devil Fooled Eve, so of course his servants, the british and Russians, can beguile Afghans.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

life under the british would have had more liberty than whoever was ruling the pashtuns in maiwand.

imho all our wars of so called independence has been wars of self-destruction. we should have not fought the british and we should have not fought the russians.

But the problem with this narrative is that the conceptual framework of ""liberty" here, is being defined by the Interests of the Foreign Invader and not the population. And that's the dilemma with these types of discourses is that they're always being interpreted from the lens of those who have monopolized the discourse in favor of their ideology.


The same line of reasoning can be and has been applied to indigenous people everywhere who were resisting a foreign invader. With Native Americas they were called Savages in European standards so the Europeans manufactured a narrative where their conquests were depicted as having "civilized" and "liberated" the Natives

In South America, the attrition and exploitation of the Rainforest peoples is validated under the narrative of "rescuing savages" and "liberating them " from their "primitive life". But they totally ignore the fact that the Peoples of the Rainforest are biologically attuned to their environment so usurping it from them would cause great peril for the Natives.

What you mistake as "self destructive" is in actually foreign powers trying to use backdoor means to manipulate and stir rivalries in the regions they want to gain under their sphere of influence. Granted THIS could only happen because of internal weaknesses and naiveness of the local peoples, BUT it was engineered by the foreign invader.

Today's Afghanistan is a complex multilayered situation of Russians manufacturing communist stooges, with Amercians engineering radicalized stooges with even other more Radicalized stooges engineered by Pakistan, being dealt with stooges yet again Engineered by America....and so on and so on. This does not however discredit native liberation.. In fact it lends more evidence to it. Anytime foreign interests were involved, disaster struck.