My struggle for Secularism

[ghumbasa]

Some gifts of secularism..

1.Eugenics..scientific racism based on Darwin s theory....leading to unnecessary abortins,genetic mutations via drugs,brutal experiments and infertility.

2.Homosexual global agendas via various organisations being introduced...great numbef of funding and media role is provided in movies etc.

3.Demoralisation of society...e.g children in schools are taught about sex,again early age pregnancy of school girls,exploitation of innocence of children, rapes,murders and its justifications by various diseases ommitting the concept of "conscious" all togather..not all crimes are because of mental diseases...some are done purposely.

4.Feminist agenda...where in the name of freedom for women ,women are expected to take over the job of man even if they are not fit..and men are expected to act like women since their role is to be taken by women.Women consider it shame to raise kids and be a house wife...Children are left for maids and husbands.

5.Crimes rates increased because of freemixing.

6.Alcohol,drugs..

7.Invasions of other countries in the name of terrorism .

8.Competition for survival leading to wars for resources...

9.Use of nukes.

10.Rise of federalism via banking.

[ghumbasa]

And i forgot to tell about NAZISM... It was based on secularism.

[Karachi]

Sharia law in the hands of extremist/corrupt mullahs is the most dangerous thing for the muslim world. They will take to the cavemen days

Secularism on a state level for example the (Canadian) one is probably the best system we have on the planet currently. Why do most muslims even religious ones want to come here and not stay in their home countries? think about it

[HalloIsBack]

Sharia law in the hands of extremist/corrupt mullahs is the most dangerous thing for the muslim world. They will take to the cavemen days

Secularism on a state level for example the (Canadian) one is probably the best system we have on the planet currently. Why do most muslims even religious ones want to come here and not stay in their home countries? think about it

because in their homelands people hate them!
in europe and in such countries like canada there is secularism and liberalism which they use for their aim
all islamists who go to afg etc. to install their ill system come from western
they hate secularism and liberalism but love them to reach their aim


during cold war lots of arabs and other "muslims" came to europe als political asylseeker because they were against their regime at home who had contect with sovietunion
for the west at this time was: they are agaisnt communism so they are democratics which they were not
the european have not though about it
step by step they expand their moslembrothers connectionsand started to influence normal moslem which wanted to leave in peace with native european!

[ghumbasa]

Sharia law in the hands of extremist/corrupt mullahs is the most dangerous thing for the muslim world. They will take to the cavemen days

Secularism on a state level for example the (Canadian) one is probably the best system we have on the planet currently. Why do most muslims even religious ones want to come here and not stay in their home countries? think about it

World war 1 and 2 had people killed more in number than by religious extremism combine all togather.Not to mention the slavery and invasions and then wars fought by each nations to get free of brit colonisation...even today its role is replaced by usa...And then comes the gifts of depleted uranium and sulphur used in wars today that caused genetic mutations plus rise in cancer in those areas.

[ghumbasa]

because in their homelands people hate them!
in europe and in such countries like canada there is secularism and liberalism which they use for their aim
all islamists who go to afg etc. to install their ill system come from western
they hate secularism and liberalism but love them to reach their aim


during cold war lots of arabs and other "muslims" came to europe als political asylseeker because they were against their regime at home who had contect with sovietunion
for the west at this time was: they are agaisnt communism so they are democratics which they were not
the european have not though about it
step by step they expand their moslembrothers connectionsand started to influence normal moslem which wanted to leave in peace with native european!

The example of muslims dying to live in west ignoring their deen (religion) are mostly seculars themselves running after worldly pleasures e.g karachi.But it doesnt mean that all go there for pleasures.Many go for dawah purposes...or for taking high education to go back to their countries and serve them better.Mind it...today many muslms in west are NATIVE CONVERTS.So they ve every right to be there as a native non muslim.

Living in west makes many muslims realise that how islamic society can bring good changes that biased media ignores deliberately and paint the picture of islam as some violent religion ....but despite this Alhamdulillah its spreading fast.They dont desire for secular laws like hijab ban in turkey that was recently lifted,niqab ban in france till this day,the holland insulting remarks about orophet saww making his cartoons and burning of quran,white supermacy and its groups against black and briwn immigrants...etc

Last but not least...i dont live in west nor any desire to go there.I ve lived whole my life in my country.Temporarily again i am in another asian country but not in west.

[Badlun]

The example of muslims dying to live in west ignoring their deen (religion) are mostly seculars themselves running after worldly pleasures e.g karachi.But it doesnt mean that all go there for pleasures.Many go for dawah purposes...or for taking high education to go back to their countries and serve them better.Mind it...today many muslms in west are NATIVE CONVERTS.So they ve every right to be there as a native non muslim.

Living in west makes many muslims realise that how islamic society can bring good changes that biased media ignores deliberately and paint the picture of islam as some violent religion ....but despite this Alhamdulillah its spreading fast.They dont desire for secular laws like hijab ban in turkey that was recently lifted,niqab ban in france till this day,the holland insulting remarks about orophet saww making his cartoons and burning of quran,white supermacy and its groups against black and briwn immigrants...etc

Last but not least...i dont live in west nor any desire to go there.I ve lived whole my life in my country.Temporarily again i am in another asian country but not in west.

I was a Talib in my own land but when I saw secular West, I realized that the only way to success is secularism not this 1400 years old tribal teachings in the form of Quran and Hadith. Quran can be a book of morality or spirituality but not a code for 21st century.

The only way to progress for Muslims is to restrict Quran and some good Hadith only to personal lives. These are meaningless or even dangerous for society, economy and the state.

[Khostai]

Muslims still have lot of problems in constructing masjids in secular societies...but by using their man power and contribution of economy...putting pressure on govts via peaceful strikes they ve been able to make masajids that too not everywhere..but in some regions.West does care about islam hence invading countries...

No true at all mosques pop up here in Europe like mushrooms, you can get quite easilly permission to build one.
West cares about their startigic and economic agenda not Islam.

[Khostai]

World war 1 and 2 had people killed more in number than by religious extremism combine all togather.Not to mention the slavery and invasions and then wars fought by each nations to get free of brit colonisation...even today its role is replaced by usa...And then comes the gifts of depleted uranium and sulphur used in wars today that caused genetic mutations plus rise in cancer in those areas.

LOL the Brits were strictly religious during their colonial time, all tyhe genocide of the natives was justified by them in therms of spreading Christianity. Go read some history you fool.

[Khostai]

The example of muslims dying to live in west ignoring their deen (religion) are mostly seculars themselves running after worldly pleasures e.g karachi.But it doesnt mean that all go there for pleasures.Many go for dawah purposes...or for taking high education to go back to their countries and serve them better.Mind it...today many muslms in west are NATIVE CONVERTS.So they ve every right to be there as a native non muslim.

Living in west makes many muslims realise that how islamic society can bring good changes that biased media ignores deliberately and paint the picture of islam as some violent religion ....but despite this Alhamdulillah its spreading fast.They dont desire for secular laws like hijab ban in turkey that was recently lifted,niqab ban in france till this day,the holland insulting remarks about orophet saww making his cartoons and burning of quran,white supermacy and its groups against black and briwn immigrants...etc

Last but not least...i dont live in west nor any desire to go there.I ve lived whole my life in my country.Temporarily again i am in another asian country but not in west.

Yeah right, I see so many strict muslims who dream about living in the west and enjoy western quality of life. Stop fooling yourself, you would come to west, I bet you already living in some western country, the fact that you say I live in some Asian country shows that you are lying, but I used to the lies of wahabist and brainwashed fools like you, so its nothing new.

[ghumbasa]

I was a Talib in my own land but when I saw secular West, I realized that the only way to success is secularism not this 1400 years old tribal teachings in the form of Quran and Hadith. Quran can be a book of morality or spirituality but not a code for 21st century.

The only way to progress for Muslims is to restrict Quran and some good Hadith only to personal lives. These are meaningless or even dangerous for society, economy and the state.

To each his/her own choice.Perhaps you didnt grasp the depth of islamic jurisprudence and sharia..rather the extreme version created or introduced by men.

MODERATION IN ALL THINGS:

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) once asked a companion: "(Is it true) that you fast all day and stand in prayer all night?" The companion replied that the report was indeed true. The Prophet saww then said: "Do not do that! Observe the fast sometimes and also leave (it) at other times. Stand up for prayer at night and also sleep at night. Your body has a right over you, your eyes have a right over you and your wife has a right over you."*
(Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Hadith 127*)


ADOPT A MODERATE COURSE:

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "Do good deeds properly, sincerely and moderately. . .Always adopt a middle, moderate, regular course, whereby you will reach your target (of paradise)."*
( Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Hadith 470*)


BE MODERATE IN YOUR RELIGIOUS DEEDS:

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "The good deeds of any person will not make him enter Paradise (i.e., no one enters paradise only through his good deeds)." The Prophet's companions asked: "Not even you?" The Prophet replied: "Not even myself, unless God bestows His favor and mercy on me. So be moderate in your religious deeds and do what is within your ability. None of you should wish for death, for if he is a doer of good, he may increase his good deeds, and if he is an evil doer, he may repent to God."*-
(Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Hadith 577)

[ghumbasa]

LOL the Brits were strictly religious during their colonial time, all tyhe genocide of the natives was justified by them in therms of spreading Christianity. Go read some history you fool.

You are contradicting your own statements below that west doesnt care about religion but it waged wars for economics and strategic purposes.See below your quote.

No true at all mosques pop up here in Europe like mushrooms, you can get quite easilly permission to build one.*
West cares about their startigic and economic agenda not Islam.

Yeah right, I see so many strict muslims who dream about living in the west and enjoy western quality of life. Stop fooling yourself, you would come to west, I bet you already living in some western country, the fact that you say I live in some Asian country shows that you are lying, but I used to the lies of wahabist and brainwashed fools like you, so its nothing new.

I dont need to prove myself whether i live in west or asia...Alhamdulillah my conscious is alive not to apply double standards when it comes to words and actions.I see previous talibs here defending secularism...shows that depth of islam wasnt grasped in the first place to be honest.

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[MENTION=4505]Khostai[/MENTION]...everything doesnt revolve around money or luxury...there are things that people place above these superficial worldly things.Secularism really try to suppress the conscious and spiritual side of a person...i am observing.

[Khostai]

You are contradicting your own statements below that west doesnt care about religion but it waged wars for economics and strategic purposes.See below your quote.




I dont need to prove myself whether i live in west or asia...Alhamdulillah my conscious is alive not to apply double standards when it comes to words and actions.I see previous talibs here defending secularism...shows that depth of islam wasnt grasped in the first place to be honest.

I said today the West don't care becuase the West are not stick in the dark ages, that time they have left behind them, muslim on the other hand still think that the wars are only fought becuase of Islam, what it makes it really funny, becuase it shows how backward the masses are, that they can't see the bigger picture of what really is going on in the world.

And I said this becuase you claim that all wars were waged by secularist when secularism is quite a recent term and is applyied quite recently.

[ghumbasa]

I said today the West don't care becuase the West are not stick in the dark ages, that time they have left behind them, muslim on the other hand still think that the wars are only fought becuase of Islam, what it makes it really funny, becuase it shows how backward the masses are, that they can't see the bigger picture of what really is going on in the world.

And I said this becuase you claim that all wars were waged by secularist when secularism is quite a recent term and is applyied quite recently.

Secularism is not a recent concept...i ve posted in another thread that it was originated initially in greek philosophers...that were pagans and some were athiests or agnostics.Later with brits wars...christianity was indoctrinated by secularism.So today you find christians and jews that say they are christians and jews...yet call themselves as agnostic and athiests as well.And switch sides when to suit their desires.


By*Austin Cline, Agnosticism/Atheism Expert

Because the concept of the secular is normally conceived as standing in opposition to religion many people may not realize that it originally developed within a religious context. This may also come as quite a surprise to religious fundamentalists who decry the growth of secularism in the modern world. Rather than an atheistic conspiracy to undermine Christian civilization, secularism was originally developed within a Christian context and for the sake of preserving peace among Christians.