Why are Pakistani Punjabi parents making their kids forget Punjabi & learn only urdu?

[kanishka]

It sickens me, like from Lahore and such major cities which Sikhs feel a major connection to (just how Afghans feel for Peshawar), Pakistani Punjabi children i met in the diaspora only know Urdu and can partially understand what sikhs speak while most Punjabi pakistanis from prominent Punjabi cities can fully communicate with Sikhs in Punjabi...

to me, it looks like Punjabi parents want their children to understand Hindi speaking Indians and the urdu speaking Mohajirs but not Punjabi people.....

and these are happening to Punjabis, pure Punjabis, not just Muhajirs that landed in Punjab but alot more in Pakistani communities....

[Karachi]

Inferiority complex. Urdu is looked upon as a more sophisticated language. Thats why the city folks want to speak Urdu and English for that matter. I have even seen people who are ashamed of speaking Punjabi infront of others

[kanishka]

Inferiority complex. Urdu is looked upon as a more sophisticated language. Thats why the city folks want to speak Urdu and English for that matter. I have even seen people who are ashamed of speaking Punjabi infront of others

cause Punjabi is the language of Farmers, or Poor Punjabis. Upper class Punjabis favour Urdu and throw Punjabi in the trashbin. Only Sikhs nurture punjabi ...
In the west, Urdufication of Punjabi muslim children is very common, and Punjabi muslim kids allegedly claim to say they can't fully understand Sikhs but their parents.

Seraiki and Hindko are far dialects, i could say those dialects aren't that same with Sikhs so they wouldn't fully understand Sikhs but i'm talking about Punjabis Pakis that are close to Sikhs Like Lahore and Rawalpindi. I don't know about Potowari....

In Pakistan, Punjabi is larger and more diverse, so there is no Punjabi language but instead multiple fragmented Punjabi languages while in Sikh regions, the dialectal differences are much less....

[IcancryifIwantto]

meno te punjabi andi hain, mein te punjaban nai haa

[Pakwatan]

cause Punjabi is the language of Farmers, or Poor Punjabis. Upper class Punjabis favour Urdu and throw Punjabi in the trashbin. Only Sikhs nurture punjabi ...
In the west, Urdufication of Punjabi muslim children is very common, and Punjabi muslim kids allegedly claim to say they can't fully understand Sikhs but their parents.

Seraiki and Hindko are far dialects, i could say those dialects aren't that same with Sikhs so they wouldn't fully understand Sikhs but i'm talking about Punjabis Pakis that are close to Sikhs Like Lahore and Rawalpindi. I don't know about Potowari....

In Pakistan, Punjabi is larger and more diverse, so there is no Punjabi language but instead multiple fragmented Punjabi languages while in Sikh regions, the dialectal differences are much less....

LOL.

Sikhs speak terrible Punjabi.

[tor_khan]

In answer to the question posed in the thread title:

Inferiority complex.

As sure as close as we'll get to hitting the nail right on its head.

[Pakwatan]

In answer to the question posed in the thread title:



As sure as close as we'll get to hitting the nail right on its head.

I really don't find that a fair assessment. It's like saying why Afghan parents in the west encourage their children to speak dari.


And I'm speaking as a Pakistani Punjabi.

[tor_khan]

I really don't find that a fair assessment. It's like saying why Afghan parents in the west encourage their children to speak dari.


And I'm speaking as a Pakistani Punjabi.

I totally think that is fair. Afghans who are Pashtun but have let Dari completely replace Pashto are either naive or ashamed. Pashto should not be a reduced priority. So I admit that there are challenges. That said, for those that are 'lost' at least Pashto retains an actual or psychological official status in who is/isn't Pashtun and there are now scores of resources and individuals dedicated to preserving Pashto with activists in Pakistan, Afghanistan and beyond.

Panjabis in Pakistan are fast dropping their language, have put zero effort into learning its true script and have completely falsified their relationship with Urdu. That's basically a two-fingered salute to the farmers who feed them and their grandfathes who made sacrifices for them. And you don't call that inferior complex? Don't expect an informed onlooker to respect that.

Dammit, the worse thing is when you have an Urdu-speaking Panjabi v an Urdu-speaking Karachiite, one speaks it badly through their nose, whilst the other tries to impress by mixing as many English words into their sentence whilst insisting that Hindi and Urdu really are "different".

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Urdu in itself is very similar to Punjabi

Anyway as the Pakistani pashtuns take pride in Speaking pashto in Pakistan,Similar i see the indian punjabis as too proud with respect to the other ethnicities in india(Infact many of them consider themselves superior to other ethnicities in india),this is the reason punjabis of india take too pride in Speaking Punjabi in india.

Beside this,The people of upper punjab are a mix of kashmiri-punjabi and could be the reason they are opting for urdu

[Pakwatan]

I totally think that is fair. Afghans who are Pashtun but have let Dari completely replace Pashto are either naive or ashamed. Pashto should not be a reduced priority. So I admit that there are challenges. That said, for those that are 'lost' at least Pashto retains an actual or psychological official status in who is/isn't Pashtun and there are now scores of resources and individuals dedicated to preserving Pashto with activists in Pakistan, Afghanistan and beyond.

Panjabis in Pakistan are fast dropping their language, have put zero effort into learning its true script and have completely falsified their relationship with Urdu. That's basically a two-fingered salute to the farmers who feed them and their grandfathes who made sacrifices for them. And you don't call that inferior complex? Don't expect an informed onlooker to respect that.

Dammit, the worse thing is when you have an Urdu-speaking Panjabi v an Urdu-speaking Karachiite, one speaks it badly through their nose, whilst the other tries to impress by mixing as many English words into their sentence whilst insisting that Hindi and Urdu really are "different".

Hmm. Media speculatives are one thing, but tbh, the narrative on this thread sounds funny to me, where Punjabi language is spoken the most? Pakistan. There are more Punjabi speakers in Pakistan than anyone else on Earth. Even Indians cannot surpass us. They are like a minnows in terms of Punjabi language.


Indian Punjabi culture:

Tunak Tunak Tun (Best Copy) - YouTube

Pakistani Punjabi culture:

Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan Live: Allah Hoo (1993) - YouTube

All of the Indian Sikhs consider Pakistani poets in esteem. In fact, a Pakistani poet named Farid Shakarganj is considered one of their holiest men in Sikhism.

Our language is written in Shahmukhi, which is in farsi alphabet.

Where as Pashto is only respected in Pakistan as opposed to Afghanistan.

[Pakwatan]

[MENTION=103]tor_khan[/MENTION] why do Afghans come to Pakistan to release music and videos in Pashto, If Afghanistan is supposedly the home of Pashtun culture? When Afghans want to sing a song in Pashto, they come to Peshawar, not Kabul.

Explain this to me, please.

[tor_khan]

Hmm. Media speculatives are one thing, but tbh, the narrative on this thread sounds funny to me, where Punjabi language is spoken the most? Pakistan. There are more Punjabi speakers in Pakistan than anyone else on Earth. Even Indians cannot surpass us. They are like a minnows in terms of Punjabi language.

All of the Indian Sikhs consider Pakistani poets in esteem. In fact, a Pakistani poet named Farid Shakarganj is considered one of their holiest men in Sikhism.

Our language is written in Shahmukhi, which is in farsi alphabet.

Where as Pashto is only respected in Pakistan as opposed to Afghanistan.

A good part of the Qawaali you posted was in Urdu and so what you have done is actually prove the point of [MENTION=2329]Karachi[/MENTION]. I don't understand why you posted the Bhangra only to then insist before and after that Indian Sikhs love Pakistani Panjabis and that most Panjabis live Pakistan.

Great, I hope you guys find a way to love your neighbours back, but the point of this thread was why Pakistani Panjabis reject Panjabi, which was anwered by [MENTION=2329]Karachi[/MENTION] in two words: Inferiority Complex.When Panjabis acknowledge this then they might do something about this.

Response to the off-topic point: Afghan performers in Peshawar makes commercial sense. Pashto music sells in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Pashto is official in Afghanistan and there is no question of its importance. But lets not get distracted here.

[Kushan Prince]

[MENTION=103]tor_khan[/MENTION] why do Afghans come to Pakistan to release music and videos in Pashto, If Afghanistan is supposedly the home of Pashtun culture? When Afghans want to sing a song in Pashto, they come to Peshawar, not Kabul.

Explain this to me, please.

Your judging 12-15 million Pashtuns in Afghanistan completely wrong. The ones that do promote pashto music in Peshawar mostly do it for business or for demand which is much greater in the KPK region as 90% of the inhabitants are pashto speakers.

A question to you: Why do Peshwari Pashtuns remix old pashto songs from Afghanistan to their own liking? why not get original and create new pashto song steaming from Peshawar?

[kanishka]

I really don't find that a fair assessment. It's like saying why Afghan parents in the west encourage their children to speak dari.


And I'm speaking as a Pakistani Punjabi.

Pashtuns that live in Kabul or Northern regions of Afghanistan have Dari replaced Pashto. Compare Ethnic Map of Afghanistan with Linguistic Map and you can see Pashtuns that live upto Herat speak Dari but tribally consider themselves Pashtuns.

In the West, Pashtuns learning Dari instead of Pashto, i wouldn't know. Prolly they come from persianized pashtuns in Afghanistan but Pashto speakers replacing Dari? Intermarriage between Tajiks and Pashtuns is probably a really high motivation for teaching your kids Dari and forget Pashto. Herat and Kabul are Tajik majority cities.....

[Khostai]

[MENTION=103]tor_khan[/MENTION] why do Afghans come to Pakistan to release music and videos in Pashto, If Afghanistan is supposedly the home of Pashtun culture? When Afghans want to sing a song in Pashto, they come to Peshawar, not Kabul.

Explain this to me, please.

Hmm maybe the same reason why farsiban go to Tajikistan to record the songs there. Becuase in Pakistan you can hire dancers very cheap and they produce the video for you. In Afghanistan you can't hire normal dancers and there is no major record labels who can deliver good quality production. Maybe later in time we will not have to go to Pakistan.

And about your previous comment, the ones who speak dari in house are mostly ther father or mother is farsiban, there is no Pashtun household in Europe were both parents are Pashtun and they would speak dari at home, even the one coming from the north.
So I don't know what you mean? And you being a paki I even doubt that you have that much connections with Afghans.