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    Afghanistan has seen many forms of oppression and destruction throughout its history -- be it from the government or terrorism, etc. One form comes from the Afghan Mellat party, a small segment of fascists within ethnic Pashtuns, a minority group in Afghanistan. As Jean-Paul Sartre once said, "Fascism is not defined by the number of its victims, but by the way it kills them." The party has "killed its victims" i.e the non-Pashtuns of Afghanistan by trying to eliminate their culture, language, identity, and their presence within the country. Every other ethnic group in Afghanistan has been victimized by the Afghan Mellat party whose aim is to destroy everything that stands in the way of their fascistic goal of "Pashtunizing" the country. The very existence of the Afghan Mellat party is a threat to every other ethnic group in Afghanistan.


    Afghanistan is a country of several minority groups: Tajiks, Pashtuns, Hazaras, Uzbeks, Haimaq, etc. As stated earlier, the Afghan Mellat party is a small segment of fascists within the Pashtuns who have worked hard – and continue to do so -- to "Pashtunize" Afghanistan by imposing their beliefs unto the country at the expense of others' beliefs and ways. The Afghan Mellat has no qualms in putting their own selfish ethnic interests ahead and above the national interests of Afghanistan. Therefore, it is no surprise that the Afghan Mellat party has been referred to as a Neo Nazi group, the social equivalent of AIDS. The party is in Afghanistan what Hitler's Nazi was in Germany and what the KKK was in America. They are clearly a parasite, lashing unto the country and sucking it dry, using the country for all its worth. Given the fact that ethno-racism, bigotry and just over-all disregard for the well-being of Afghanistan as a country is rampant among the tribal Pashtuns, it is no surprise that a movement as dangerous as the Afghan Mellat party has developed and poisoned the environment. After all, a filthy swamp is where diseases develop and fester.



    Though they are a minority within a minority group themselves, the party has maneuvered their positions so that they have a direct path to power i.e. through Hamid Karzai and the high positions he assigned them to. The fascistic Afghan Mellat has existed for quite some time and has always undermined the very fabrics of Afghanistan's weak socio-political existence. During lunatic Mohammad Daud and careless Zahir Shah's time the group took every opportunity to further their own fascistic agendas. They formed the disgraceful Pashto Tolana (Pashto Society) with the intent of forcing the tribal language, Pashto, unto the public and using it to dominate over every ethnicity. Their agendas included inventing new Pashto terms and words to replace the already existing official Farsi words and terms for national and institutional use. Also fabricating an anthology called the Pota Khazana (Hidden Treasure), disclaim the Durand Line treaty, enforce Pashto, etc. The fraudulent Pota Khazana was unsuccessfully passed off as an authentic work of literature that would also provide some sort of history to the Pashtuns but instead, the scheme backfired on them when the anthology failed to prove legitimate. As for the Durand Line, it is an internationally recognized border between Afghanistan and Pakistan. The fascistic Pashtuns continue to claim the line invalid because they would like to claim two of Pakistan's provinces as their own: the NWFP and Baluchistan. With these two provinces under their belt, the percentage of Pashtuns would rise in Afghanistan as would their dream of Pashtunistan. As for enforcing Pashto, they do so with the intention of eradicating Farsi from the country. They are virtually trying to uproot Farsi which is the lingua de Franca of Afghanistan. These actions of theirs illustrate their malevolence intentions for the non-Pashtuns of Afghanistan.



    After the communist coup, the Afghan Mellat party broke off into several groups. One branch merged with the Khalqis (the Pashtun communist pro-Soviet group which seized power through a coup), others joined the likes of Islamist terrorist Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, an ethnic Pashtun, while others left Afghanistan and headed for the West. The Khalqis actively performed ethnic cleansing as well as imprisoning non-Pashtun intellectuals and individuals. The ones that joined Gulbuddin Hekmatyar participated in his acts of destructions: murdering, firing rockets at civilians, etc. During the Taliban's reign, some of the members who were living in the West returned to lend their support to the Pashtun Taliban. During that time, a book was written called "Dwauma Saqawe" (The Second Water-Bearer) by another ethnocentric Pashtun who published it under the pseudonym Samsur Afghan. The book was written in Pashto and it proposed a plan to remove Tajiks and Hazaras from key areas and replace them with Pashtuns from the South or from
    the NWFP. These "key areas" that the fascists want to steal are the land and homes of the Tajiks and Hazaras, who are indigenous to the land and have lived there for thousands of years. The fascist Afghan Mellatis want to replace the Tajiks and Hazaras with Pashtuns because they want to eliminate any source of resistance in those areas. And it wouldn't be the first time that something like this was suggested and carried out.


    The book also compares the great leader of resistance, Ahmad Shah Massoud, an ethnic Tajik, to Habibullah Kalakani by calling Massoud the "Second Water-Bearer." Kalakani was a Tajik adventurer who ruled as king of Afghanistan from January to October 1929. The conniving Nadir Shah had Kalakani overthrown and killed by Pashtun tribal mercenaries from both sides of Durand who were aided by the British. The document also alleges that Massoud and his supporters in the Panjshir Valley are prone to receiving aid from foreigners, i.e. Russia, Iran, and India. The outrageous solution to this so-called problem is that the Panjshir population must face displacement as their homes and land, too, are stolen and distributed to the Pashtuns of the South. The South has nothing but desert while the Panjshir has an abundant of agriculture to offer. It is clear who would be prospering over this proposed transaction. It was also suggested that a buffer zone be
    created between Kabul, and the Panjshir and Bagram and for that area to be settled by the nomads and tribal Pashtuns from the south. These ethnocentric Pashtuns can not even create homes for their own kind in their own region and they wish to destroy the homes of others. What right do they have in proposing such a plan? The very idea to steal someone's home and their land -- the very home and land that have belonged to them for
    centuries before Pashtuns migrated to the area or even the region was named Afghanistan by the British -- is an obvious threat to the stability of the non-Pashtuns, an absolute majority population in the country. How safe are the people of Afghanistan if they can become the new Diaspora within a short amount of time? With such jealousy and hatred how could the non-Pashtuns ever hope for social equality or even justice?


    The Afghan Mellat members who stayed in the West started referring to themselves as Social Democrats -- which, obviously, they were not. The term "Social Democracy" is easily accessible so it is a wonder that the fascist Afghan Mellat did not bother looking it up. "Social Democracy" is the particular type of society that social democrats support while maintaining three principles/goals: (1) freedom (2) equality and social justice and (3) solidarity. It is quite evident that the Afghan Mellat did not stand for any of these principles. They suppress the non-Pashtuns instead of offering any sort of freedom, they discredit any notion of equality and social justice within the nation, and when it comes to solidarity, they only have the unity among the tribal Pashtuns in mind. Fascist Afghan Mellatis in the West -- Anwar Ul-Haq Ahady, Ashraf Ghani Ahmadzai, Ali Jalali, etc. – became pro-Taliban as well and propagated their cause from America and Europe. They
    did so by writing articles and essays that they had published on – and spread by -- the internet. Ali Jalali was the head of the Pashto Services of Voice of America and he was extremely biased in his coverage i.e. showing only the Taliban side, etc. Ahady, who was teaching at a Rhodes Island Community College, wrote essays that he had published online, aiding the Taliban's cause by defaming the popular national resistance against the
    Taliban. They were like the Taliban in many aspects except they weren't religious. These fascists were living comfortably in the west while furthering their agendas through the Taliban. Both groups wanted Pashtun supremacy and power and they didn't care who they harmed.

    After 9/11 when the US started bombing the Taliban, the fascist Afghan Mellatis saw an opportunity for them to return to Afghanistan under the pretense of being technocrats to further their agenda. With the aid of their mentor Zalmay Khalilzad, the former US Ambassador to Afghanistan, they returned to Kabul, and momentarily dropped any support they had for the Taliban. They knew that International aid money would be pouring in and they wanted to steal as much as they could. Aside from gaining financially they also grabbed the key posts in the government: i.e. Abdul Rahim Wardak became
    Minister of National Defense, Hedayat Amin Arsala became Senior Minister in the Cabinet, Mohamad Hanif Atmar became Minister of Education, Mohammad Amin Fatimie became Minster of Public Health, Yousef Pashtun became Minister of Urban Development, Anwar Ul-Haq Ahady (who is also head of the Afghan Mellat) became Minister of Finance, etc. However, Afghan Mellatis did not win any positions and posts on their own by being elected; instead Karzai appointed them all to high-profile posts such as ministries, advisors, chancellors, and deputies. So Karzai surrounded himself with the Afghan Mellat, making them his main policy-makers. Once they took their place in the government, Afghan Mellatis welcomed Taliban members into the government and they were given positions as well. Of course they have only their own agenda in mind and will do whatever they can do for the betterment of only their own tribes as opposed to looking out for the betterment of the country as a whole. Some of the members of the Afghan Mellat party who live in Europe such as Rostar Taraki, Azam Sistani, Wali Ahmad Noori, Khalilullah Maroofi, write articles and essays that bash all the other ethnicities and their values. Their intentions are to show the tribal Pashtuns as dominant group and all the other ethnicities as insignificant groups in Afghanistan. Their writings are posted all over the internet and their views reflect the intentions and collective views of the entire Afghan Mellat party.


    As the finance minister, Ashraf Ghani Ahmadzai did not properly allocate money to areas for educational needs, health facilities, infrastructure, etc. Instead he mainly allocated funds to insignificant projects involving violent Pashtun tribal areas of the south. He also refused to give up his American Citizenship as it was required by the constitution from all members of cabinet, so he was replaced by another Afghan Mellat, Anwar Ul-Haq
    Ahady. Ghani was then demoted to being the Chancellor of Kabul University. He does not bother to hide his contempt for Farsi as a language. On his first day, Ghani entered Kabul University and upon seeing the Farsi sign Danishgah (University) and Pashto sign, he broke off the Farsi sign and began kicking it around, stating that he did not want the sign anywhere around. He also closed down the only library in Kabul University because
    most of the books in the library were published in Iran. Kabul University is the only University in the capital. Now, what kind of treatment should the students of the University expect from someone like him when he is so blatantly against their language and culture? He is biased and intolerant and such a person should not be given any source of power because it is obvious what a danger he is to the foundation of the country. He obviously does not believe in equality among the ethnic groups or the languages.


    When the new bills were printed during the period of the interim government, without the consent of a representative body such as an elected government or a Parliament, Anwar Ul-Haq Ahady had the notes of the bills written in English and Pashto instead of Farsi, which is far better known in Afghanistan than Pashto ever was or will be. Such actions indicate that they have several ways of trying to eradicate Farsi from the country. The fascist Afghan Mellat knows that Pashto will never catch on naturally which is why they try to force the language upon the country. It is mandated upon the students in school and it's also forced upon the public by having the national anthem in Pashto. They are trying to elevate Pashto to a higher status than it deserves and can only do so by sheer force.


    It was hoped that the fascistic Pashtuns would have been more socially and politically responsible and would have stayed away from undermining the national foundations of our country. Instead they chose to abuse their power and abuse Afghanistan and its people. As long as people like Anwar Ul-Haq Ahady, Asharf Ghani Ahmadzai, Hashmat Ghani Ahmadzai, Amin Arsala, Atmaar, Amin Wakman, Sharzai, Enam Wak, Ali Jalali etc. have any kind of power, the Afghan Mellat will actively be involved in destroying Afghanistan and keeping the idea of freedom, social justice and equality at a far, far distance.

    More Awghan Mellatis: Ashraf Ghani, Anwar Ul-Haq Ahady
    "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

    -Old Pashtun proverb




    "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

  • #2
    The great Physicist Richard Feynman writes, in the first volume of the Feynman Lectures on Physics, that if all scientific knowledge were to be destroyed and only one sentence passed on to the next generation, then he would choose the atomic hypothesis. I respectfully disagree (the atomic hypothesis was known to the Greeks but it was not until Rutherford that it became a viable scientific theory because it requires not only the scientific method but quite a bit of technology to corroborate). The statement I would choose is this, the evolutionary epistemology: That the human mind has evolved primarily not to seek truth but to motivate adaptive behaviours. Self-deception is a phenomena that has been broached by many of the great thinkers of history, we are reminded of David Humes famous assertion "reason is a slave to the passions"; Francis Bacon discussed the "idols" of the mind, and Arthur Schopenhauer predicated an entire Philosophy on the theme (the philosophy of the will). Psychology finally brought this age old intuition under the lens of science with its theories of self deception but it was the great Biologist of our times, Robert Trivers, who turned the evolutionary epistemology into an actual scientific theory of the hard sciences: for a highly amusing yet informative popular rendition of Trivers theory of self-deception as an adaptive evolutionary strategy, see his new book "Deceit and Self-Deception: Fooling Yourself the Better to Fool Others".


    A bit of thought on the problem generated by the statement of the evolutionary epistemology should lead you to conclude that any general investigative system designed to lend to the purpose of understanding the world around us must address the fundamental problem of the innate human -both individual and group- tendency to adaptive self-deception. Mankind has produced but one such system that has truly adequately addressed this problem and that is science itself for as Trivers writes concerning science: science always succeeds in the long-term because of "a series of built-in devices that guard against deceit and self-deception at every turn". Another great Biologist, David Sloan Wilson, has independently come to the same conclusion, in his book Darwin's Cathedral towards the end he expounds on science as a unique cultural system dedicated to "factual realism" alone, with built-in mechanisms for expunging "practical realism". Trivers also astutely observes that the human tendency toward self-deception affects different disciplines to different degrees and that the sciences that have the most implications/ramifications for public policy are particularly prone to danger: with a few historical exceptions, Physics does not have ideologically driven theories but the field of Economics is full of it. Islamic Economics, for example, is an un-scientific farce even by the general standards of the field of Economics and really only exists to satisfy ideology. I once read someone (I can't remember the author) say Machiavellianism in politics is actually redundant because men of politics are so prone to self-deception in the first place, which brings about the effective same.

    So what the hell does all of this have to do with the thread? Well, Trivers once hilariously said of Alan Dershowitz, after a particularly egregious but typical case in which he defended Israel's genocide of the Palestinians on a news broadcast: "A deeply deceptive organism, if there ever was one". Alan Dershowitz, that disgusting piece of ****, is actually an enabler of genocide yet he genuinely is convinced that his venom is justice, equality, democracy and all that other good stuff. Dershowitz isn't just a deceptive maniac, oh its much worse: hes what I call a "strategically deceptive, self deceptive" maniac. Most of you nationalists (actually throw in the Taliban-sympathizers who believe the Taliban have a right to rule non-Pashtuns), that includes both Tajik and Pashtun nationalists especially those who are not separatists, are basically Alan Dershowitz types: all of you tout your self-serving, hegemonic garbage of ethnic interests as equal rights, justice, democracy etc. Now to avoid the vice of the pot calling the kettle black, I admit that I myself also have my ethnic biases (tough I make the conscious effort to minimize them) but the difference is that I acknowledge that other ethnics have their own ethnic interests -which I will support to the extent that it does not corrode mine- and above all, I support the right to self-determination of all the peoples of Afghanistan. It is very typical of my friend Khushal in this forum, whom I deeply respect, to ask: what power is playing the divide and conquer game and how? I do not necessarily disagree with him but I must ask the subtle (and profoundly more important) question: why is it so easy to exploit the divide and conquer game, why are human beings like that? Consequently, I have come to the conclusion that only separation can be the salvation of Afghanistan.
    Last edited by Herat; 07-05-2014, 01:50 PM.

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    • #3
      ^Typical ethnocentric tajiki fascist instead of condemning this piece of garabge he even tries to defend it by saying that Pashtuns are no better, when in fact Pashtun only want there basic right to have there own language and culture do be seen on tv and in goverment.
      Go and eat some ghual you tajiki subhuman troll. Every single tajik that I meet makes me hate you even more. I guess other Pashtun were right, your are deciving culturless animals and have no place in Afghanistan you immigrants need go back too tajikistan.

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      • #4
        ^^Herat has actually explained in his post why you reacted this way before you even reacted.
        [MENTION=17960]Herat[/MENTION], Ill get back to you later, I have to go do some family functions.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Khostai View Post
          ^Typical ethnocentric tajiki fascist instead of condemning this piece of garabge he even tries to defend it by saying that Pashtuns are no better, when in fact Pashtun only want there basic right to have there own language and culture do be seen on tv and in goverment.
          Go and eat some ghual you tajiki subhuman troll. Every single tajik that I meet makes me hate you even more. I guess other Pashtun were right, your are deciving culturless animals and have no place in Afghanistan you immigrants need go back too tajikistan.
          Ah delicious, the theory of self-deception as an adaptive evolutionary strategy gets a case study right here: this self-deceptive (or deceptive? I can't tell) Khostai, who, in another thread on language, came and needlessly provoked me, calling Tajiks a culture-less people and thereby justifying his/her (it?) ethno-fascist Afghan-Mellati suggestion of replacing Farsi with Pashto, now peddles the supposed equal rights narrative.

          Friends, I have devised a very simple method to weed out ethnic-fascists with the following test: the probability of an individual being an ethnic-fascist is inversely proportional to the extent that they are willing to acknowledge that other groups have their own interests, compatible and incompatible with their own. Thus we see that this specimen, Khostai, does not in the slight acknowledge that non-Pashtuns have their own interests but is solely concerned with its own ethnic interests. I, on the other hand, have acknowledged Pashtun interests again and again in this forum, whether that of the nationalists (the right to advance your own language) or the tribal people (I support the Taliban as long as their rule is limited to the populations that are willing to accept them). I support your right to advance your own language and culture. I do not, however, support your particular ethnic interest of dominating the other groups (this is the raison d'etre of the Afghan Millat party and also seems to be the intention of the Tajik ethno-fascist author of the article). You have every right to self-determination but you do not, nor anyone else for that matter, have any right to that of other peoples.

          No problem, Khushal.
          Last edited by Herat; 07-06-2014, 04:14 PM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Herat View Post
            Ah delicious, the theory of self-deception as an adaptive evolutionary strategy gets a case study right here: this self-deceptive (or deceptive? I can't tell) Khostai, who, in another thread on language, came and needlessly provoked me, calling Tajiks a culture-less people and thereby justifying his/her (it?) ethno-fascist Afghan-Mellati suggestion of replacing Farsi with Pashto, now peddles the supposed equal rights narrative.

            Friends, I have devised a very simple method to weed out ethnic-fascists with the following test: the probability of an individual being an ethnic-fascist is inversely proportional to the extent that they are willing to acknowledge that other groups have their own interests, compatible and incompatible with their own. Thus we see that this specimen, Khostai, does not in the slight acknowledge that non-Pashtuns have their own interests but is solely concerned with its own ethnic interests. I, on the other hand, have acknowledged Pashtun interests again and again in this forum, whether that of the nationalists (the right to advance your own language) or the tribal people (I support the Taliban as long as their rule is limited to the populations that are willing to accept them). I support your right to advance your own language and culture. I do not, however, support your particular ethnic interest of dominating the other groups (this is the raison d'etre of the Afghan Millat party and also seems to be the intention of the Tajik ethno-fascist author of the article). You have every right to self-determination but you, nor anyone else for that matter, have any right to that of other peoples.

            No problem, Khushal.
            Herat, an interesting behavior of the Pashtun Ultra Nationalists (especially the hyper militant secular nationalists) is provided across the border. Often, as Orwell depicted in his parable novel Animal Farm, the concern of these quasi Marxist come modern day capitalist democrats is to preserve their own hold on power.

            Case in point, let us summon the evidence:

            http://www.dawn.com/news/1116558/kay...im-athar-abbas

            A: He was concerned about the reaction of the religious right. But the fact was that the ruling party, the Awami National Party and the MQM were all for an all-out operation. They were all along for the operation, barring the right-of-centre parties and, of course, the religious right. I don’t know how concerned he was about his personal security or safety.


            The most fascinating aspect of debating these cockroaches is their unabashed hypocrisy. Their central argument against religionists is their "collaboration" with the US in the 1980s to take down the Soviets, with the insinuation that the religionists were merely CIA irregulars.

            Yet when caught as they are above with their pants down they froth, thrash, and wriggle like rabid creatures trying to justify that the ends justify the means and that using an adversary (i.e. the Pakistani Army) to eradicate their adversary (Taliban) is just plain and simple good strategy ---> All the while their central argument has been that both are one and the same.

            "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Herat View Post
              Ah delicious, the theory of self-deception as an adaptive evolutionary strategy gets a case study right here: this self-deceptive (or deceptive? I can't tell) Khostai, who, in another thread on language, came and needlessly provoked me, calling Tajiks a culture-less people and thereby justifying his/her (it?) ethno-fascist Afghan-Mellati suggestion of replacing Farsi with Pashto, now peddles the supposed equal rights narrative.

              Friends, I have devised a very simple method to weed out ethnic-fascists with the following test: the probability of an individual being an ethnic-fascist is inversely proportional to the extent that they are willing to acknowledge that other groups have their own interests, compatible and incompatible with their own. Thus we see that this specimen, Khostai, does not in the slight acknowledge that non-Pashtuns have their own interests but is solely concerned with its own ethnic interests. I, on the other hand, have acknowledged Pashtun interests again and again in this forum, whether that of the nationalists (the right to advance your own language) or the tribal people (I support the Taliban as long as their rule is limited to the populations that are willing to accept them). I support your right to advance your own language and culture. I do not, however, support your particular ethnic interest of dominating the other groups (this is the raison d'etre of the Afghan Millat party and also seems to be the intention of the Tajik ethno-fascist author of the article). You have every right to self-determination but you, nor anyone else for that matter, have any right to that of other peoples.

              No problem, Khushal.
              LOL I am deceptive wuhaha, you ethnocetric trolls are the bigest liars here, when PAshtuns want to have a PAshtun school for there children that is racist when PAshtun want to hear PAshtu on tv and in goverment that is also racist, but when you hear your disguting kuni language of farsi everywhere that is sudenly ok. You are such a big liars that now you even start to belive in your own lies, your are pathetic, but I did not expected much from a tajiki swine.

              And the traiters to there own people who hide behind Islam and bow to fascist are even worse. And don't blame Afghan milat for everything it was the fundi extremist of taliban tha banned Farsi from goverment and established PAshtu everywhere. And you swines **** about Pashtun nationalists, if it was not for PAshtun nationalistan you dum folks would speak now farsi, actuly most of you already do.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by BarakzaiAbdali View Post
                Herat, an interesting behavior of the Pashtun Ultra Nationalists (especially the hyper militant secular nationalists) is provided across the border. Often, as Orwell depicted in his parable novel Animal Farm, the concern of these quasi Marxist come modern day capitalist democrats is to preserve their own hold on power.

                Case in point, let us summon the evidence:

                http://www.dawn.com/news/1116558/kay...im-athar-abbas

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                The most fascinating aspect of debating these cockroaches is their unabashed hypocrisy. Their central argument against religionists is their "collaboration" with the US in the 1980s to take down the Soviets, with the insinuation that the religionists were merely CIA irregulars.

                Yet when caught as they are above with their pants down they froth, thrash, and wriggle like rabid creatures trying to justify that the ends justify the means and that using an adversary (i.e. the Pakistani Army) to eradicate their adversary (Taliban) is just plain and simple good strategy ---> All the while their central argument has been that both are one and the same.
                Mr Al-Qaueda Barakzai Al-Arabi Al-Bin Ladini, why so much anger towards Pashtun nationalists now a days? Why not shift to ISISI khilafath instead of living in a secular infidel society where you can earn enough sawab to land in the lap of one of 72 hoors?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Toramana View Post
                  Mr Al-Qaueda Barakzai Al-Arabi Al-Bin Ladini, why so much anger towards Pashtun nationalists now a days? Why not shift to ISISI khilafath instead of living in a secular infidel society where you can earn enough sawab to land in the lap of one of 72 hoors?
                  Why so coy about the article citing the vigorous fellatio that ANP was willing to perform on Kiyani to get him to conduct the equivalent of the current operation? Fascinating, seems like your team of miscreants has learned a lot from the Pakistani establishment on how to present a public face (crocodile tears for the people of Waziristan) against the backdrop of the lobbying for the operation in the first place. Leave it to the schizo nationalists to come up with such an approach to somehow advance the interests of Pashtuns.

                  Regarding 72 hoors.. Is that an insult you are leveling at the sacred traditions of the Prophet Muhammad? It is after all the citation most used by Rush Limbaugh to attack Islam and Muslims- perhaps ANP has moved on form Kiyani to Big Rush?

                  So please answer us regarding the mocking tone in reference to the prophetic tradition.
                  "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Khostai View Post
                    LOL I am deceptive wuhaha, you ethnocetric trolls are the bigest liars here, when PAshtuns want to have a PAshtun school for there children that is racist when PAshtun want to hear PAshtu on tv and in goverment that is also racist, but when you hear your disguting kuni language of farsi everywhere that is sudenly ok. You are such a big liars that now you even start to belive in your own lies, your are pathetic, but I did not expected much from a tajiki swine.

                    And the traiters to there own people who hide behind Islam and bow to fascist are even worse. And don't blame Afghan milat for everything it was the fundi extremist of taliban tha banned Farsi from goverment and established PAshtu everywhere. And you swines **** about Pashtun nationalists, if it was not for PAshtun nationalistan you dum folks would speak now farsi, actuly most of you already do.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Herat View Post
                      The great Physicist Richard Feynman writes, in the first volume of the Feynman Lectures on Physics, that if all scientific knowledge were to be destroyed and only one sentence passed on to the next generation, then he would choose the atomic hypothesis. I respectfully disagree (the atomic hypothesis was known to the Greeks but it was not until Rutherford that it became a viable scientific theory because it requires not only the scientific method but quite a bit of technology to corroborate). The statement I would choose is this, the evolutionary epistemology: That the human mind has evolved primarily not to seek truth but to motivate adaptive behaviours. Self-deception is a phenomena that has been broached by many of the great thinkers of history, we are reminded of David Humes famous assertion "reason is a slave to the passions"; Francis Bacon discussed the "idols" of the mind, and Arthur Schopenhauer predicated an entire Philosophy on the theme (the philosophy of the will). Psychology finally brought this age old intuition under the lens of science with its theories of self deception but it was the great Biologist of our times, Robert Trivers, who turned the evolutionary epistemology into an actual scientific theory of the hard sciences: for a highly amusing yet informative popular rendition of Trivers theory of self-deception as an adaptive evolutionary strategy, see his new book "Deceit and Self-Deception: Fooling Yourself the Better to Fool Others".


                      A bit of thought on the problem generated by the statement of the evolutionary epistemology should lead you to conclude that any general investigative system designed to lend to the purpose of understanding the world around us must address the fundamental problem of the innate human -both individual and group- tendency to adaptive self-deception. Mankind has produced but one such system that has truly adequately addressed this problem and that is science itself for as Trivers writes concerning science: science always succeeds in the long-term because of "a series of built-in devices that guard against deceit and self-deception at every turn". Another great Biologist, David Sloan Wilson, has independently come to the same conclusion, in his book Darwin's Cathedral towards the end he expounds on science as a unique cultural system dedicated to "factual realism" alone, with built-in mechanisms for expunging "practical realism". Trivers also astutely observes that the human tendency toward self-deception affects different disciplines to different degrees and that the sciences that have the most implications/ramifications for public policy are particularly prone to danger: with a few historical exceptions, Physics does not have ideologically driven theories but the field of Economics is full of it. Islamic Economics, for example, is an un-scientific farce even by the general standards of the field of Economics and really only exists to satisfy ideology. I once read someone (I can't remember the author) say Machiavellianism in politics is actually redundant because men of politics are so prone to self-deception in the first place, which brings about the effective same.

                      So what the hell does all of this have to do with the thread? Well, Trivers once hilariously said of Alan Dershowitz, after a particularly egregious but typical case in which he defended Israel's genocide of the Palestinians on a news broadcast: "A deeply deceptive organism, if there ever was one". Alan Dershowitz, that disgusting piece of ****, is actually an enabler of genocide yet he genuinely is convinced that his venom is justice, equality, democracy and all that other good stuff. Dershowitz isn't just a deceptive maniac, oh its much worse: hes what I call a "strategically deceptive, self deceptive" maniac. Most of you nationalists (actually throw in the Taliban-sympathizers who believe the Taliban have a right to rule non-Pashtuns), that includes both Tajik and Pashtun nationalists especially those who are not separatists, are basically Alan Dershowitz types: all of you tout your self-serving, hegemonic garbage of ethnic interests as equal rights, justice, democracy etc. Now to avoid the vice of the pot calling the kettle black, I admit that I myself also have my ethnic biases (tough I make the conscious effort to minimize them) but the difference is that I acknowledge that other ethnics have their own ethnic interests -which I will support to the extent that it does not corrode mine- and above all, I support the right to self-determination of all the peoples of Afghanistan. It is very typical of my friend Khushal in this forum, whom I deeply respect, to ask: what power is playing the divide and conquer game and how? I do not necessarily disagree with him but I must ask the subtle (and profoundly more important) question: why is it so easy to exploit the divide and conquer game, why are human beings like that? Consequently, I have come to the conclusion that only separation can be the salvation of Afghanistan.
                      Great read but one must differentiate natural sciences or physical sciences from social sciences. Natural sciences are totally based on verifiable facts and data while social sciences like Economics or Sociology or Political science can have subjectivity, bias and partisanship although not to the extent of religion.

                      When we talk of Science, generally we mean Natural sciences or biological sciences or physical sciences which deal with matter, senses, observation and experiments. Psychology has interesting position as it deals with mind and behavior not matter as such. Politics, society, economy etc do not fall in the category of matter.

                      I agree that one should adopt factual and realistic scientific approach with objectivity and verifiability even towards non material stuff like politics and society and this way we do not have articles like the one written above on the so called fascism of Pashtuns and Afghan Millat Party.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by BarakzaiAbdali View Post
                        Herat, an interesting behavior of the Pashtun Ultra Nationalists (especially the hyper militant secular nationalists) is provided across the border. Often, as Orwell depicted in his parable novel Animal Farm, the concern of these quasi Marxist come modern day capitalist democrats is to preserve their own hold on power.

                        Case in point, let us summon the evidence:

                        http://www.dawn.com/news/1116558/kay...im-athar-abbas

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                        The most fascinating aspect of debating these cockroaches is their unabashed hypocrisy. Their central argument against religionists is their "collaboration" with the US in the 1980s to take down the Soviets, with the insinuation that the religionists were merely CIA irregulars.

                        Yet when caught as they are above with their pants down they froth, thrash, and wriggle like rabid creatures trying to justify that the ends justify the means and that using an adversary (i.e. the Pakistani Army) to eradicate their adversary (Taliban) is just plain and simple good strategy ---> All the while their central argument has been that both are one and the same.
                        ANP was right at that time and is right now to support the anti Taliban drive of the Pakistani Army. Pakistani Army or the West created these monsters to use them like fodder against the erstwhile USSR and are destroying them as these are useless but dangerous tools now.

                        Pashtun nationalism is the only panacea for the menace of extremism and terrorism. The more you are Pashtun, the less you are a bigot.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Kushan Prince View Post
                          http://afghancriminals.tripod.com/id15.html

                          Afghanistan has seen many forms of oppression and destruction throughout its history -- be it from the government or terrorism, etc. One form comes from the Afghan Mellat party, a small segment of fascists within ethnic Pashtuns, a minority group in Afghanistan. As Jean-Paul Sartre once said, "Fascism is not defined by the number of its victims, but by the way it kills them." The party has "killed its victims" i.e the non-Pashtuns of Afghanistan by trying to eliminate their culture, language, identity, and their presence within the country. Every other ethnic group in Afghanistan has been victimized by the Afghan Mellat party whose aim is to destroy everything that stands in the way of their fascistic goal of "Pashtunizing" the country. The very existence of the Afghan Mellat party is a threat to every other ethnic group in Afghanistan.


                          Afghanistan is a country of several minority groups: Tajiks, Pashtuns, Hazaras, Uzbeks, Haimaq, etc. As stated earlier, the Afghan Mellat party is a small segment of fascists within the Pashtuns who have worked hard – and continue to do so -- to "Pashtunize" Afghanistan by imposing their beliefs unto the country at the expense of others' beliefs and ways. The Afghan Mellat has no qualms in putting their own selfish ethnic interests ahead and above the national interests of Afghanistan. Therefore, it is no surprise that the Afghan Mellat party has been referred to as a Neo Nazi group, the social equivalent of AIDS. The party is in Afghanistan what Hitler's Nazi was in Germany and what the KKK was in America. They are clearly a parasite, lashing unto the country and sucking it dry, using the country for all its worth. Given the fact that ethno-racism, bigotry and just over-all disregard for the well-being of Afghanistan as a country is rampant among the tribal Pashtuns, it is no surprise that a movement as dangerous as the Afghan Mellat party has developed and poisoned the environment. After all, a filthy swamp is where diseases develop and fester.



                          Though they are a minority within a minority group themselves, the party has maneuvered their positions so that they have a direct path to power i.e. through Hamid Karzai and the high positions he assigned them to. The fascistic Afghan Mellat has existed for quite some time and has always undermined the very fabrics of Afghanistan's weak socio-political existence. During lunatic Mohammad Daud and careless Zahir Shah's time the group took every opportunity to further their own fascistic agendas. They formed the disgraceful Pashto Tolana (Pashto Society) with the intent of forcing the tribal language, Pashto, unto the public and using it to dominate over every ethnicity. Their agendas included inventing new Pashto terms and words to replace the already existing official Farsi words and terms for national and institutional use. Also fabricating an anthology called the Pota Khazana (Hidden Treasure), disclaim the Durand Line treaty, enforce Pashto, etc. The fraudulent Pota Khazana was unsuccessfully passed off as an authentic work of literature that would also provide some sort of history to the Pashtuns but instead, the scheme backfired on them when the anthology failed to prove legitimate. As for the Durand Line, it is an internationally recognized border between Afghanistan and Pakistan. The fascistic Pashtuns continue to claim the line invalid because they would like to claim two of Pakistan's provinces as their own: the NWFP and Baluchistan. With these two provinces under their belt, the percentage of Pashtuns would rise in Afghanistan as would their dream of Pashtunistan. As for enforcing Pashto, they do so with the intention of eradicating Farsi from the country. They are virtually trying to uproot Farsi which is the lingua de Franca of Afghanistan. These actions of theirs illustrate their malevolence intentions for the non-Pashtuns of Afghanistan.



                          After the communist coup, the Afghan Mellat party broke off into several groups. One branch merged with the Khalqis (the Pashtun communist pro-Soviet group which seized power through a coup), others joined the likes of Islamist terrorist Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, an ethnic Pashtun, while others left Afghanistan and headed for the West. The Khalqis actively performed ethnic cleansing as well as imprisoning non-Pashtun intellectuals and individuals. The ones that joined Gulbuddin Hekmatyar participated in his acts of destructions: murdering, firing rockets at civilians, etc. During the Taliban's reign, some of the members who were living in the West returned to lend their support to the Pashtun Taliban. During that time, a book was written called "Dwauma Saqawe" (The Second Water-Bearer) by another ethnocentric Pashtun who published it under the pseudonym Samsur Afghan. The book was written in Pashto and it proposed a plan to remove Tajiks and Hazaras from key areas and replace them with Pashtuns from the South or from
                          the NWFP. These "key areas" that the fascists want to steal are the land and homes of the Tajiks and Hazaras, who are indigenous to the land and have lived there for thousands of years. The fascist Afghan Mellatis want to replace the Tajiks and Hazaras with Pashtuns because they want to eliminate any source of resistance in those areas. And it wouldn't be the first time that something like this was suggested and carried out.


                          The book also compares the great leader of resistance, Ahmad Shah Massoud, an ethnic Tajik, to Habibullah Kalakani by calling Massoud the "Second Water-Bearer." Kalakani was a Tajik adventurer who ruled as king of Afghanistan from January to October 1929. The conniving Nadir Shah had Kalakani overthrown and killed by Pashtun tribal mercenaries from both sides of Durand who were aided by the British. The document also alleges that Massoud and his supporters in the Panjshir Valley are prone to receiving aid from foreigners, i.e. Russia, Iran, and India. The outrageous solution to this so-called problem is that the Panjshir population must face displacement as their homes and land, too, are stolen and distributed to the Pashtuns of the South. The South has nothing but desert while the Panjshir has an abundant of agriculture to offer. It is clear who would be prospering over this proposed transaction. It was also suggested that a buffer zone be
                          created between Kabul, and the Panjshir and Bagram and for that area to be settled by the nomads and tribal Pashtuns from the south. These ethnocentric Pashtuns can not even create homes for their own kind in their own region and they wish to destroy the homes of others. What right do they have in proposing such a plan? The very idea to steal someone's home and their land -- the very home and land that have belonged to them for
                          centuries before Pashtuns migrated to the area or even the region was named Afghanistan by the British -- is an obvious threat to the stability of the non-Pashtuns, an absolute majority population in the country. How safe are the people of Afghanistan if they can become the new Diaspora within a short amount of time? With such jealousy and hatred how could the non-Pashtuns ever hope for social equality or even justice?


                          The Afghan Mellat members who stayed in the West started referring to themselves as Social Democrats -- which, obviously, they were not. The term "Social Democracy" is easily accessible so it is a wonder that the fascist Afghan Mellat did not bother looking it up. "Social Democracy" is the particular type of society that social democrats support while maintaining three principles/goals: (1) freedom (2) equality and social justice and (3) solidarity. It is quite evident that the Afghan Mellat did not stand for any of these principles. They suppress the non-Pashtuns instead of offering any sort of freedom, they discredit any notion of equality and social justice within the nation, and when it comes to solidarity, they only have the unity among the tribal Pashtuns in mind. Fascist Afghan Mellatis in the West -- Anwar Ul-Haq Ahady, Ashraf Ghani Ahmadzai, Ali Jalali, etc. – became pro-Taliban as well and propagated their cause from America and Europe. They
                          did so by writing articles and essays that they had published on – and spread by -- the internet. Ali Jalali was the head of the Pashto Services of Voice of America and he was extremely biased in his coverage i.e. showing only the Taliban side, etc. Ahady, who was teaching at a Rhodes Island Community College, wrote essays that he had published online, aiding the Taliban's cause by defaming the popular national resistance against the
                          Taliban. They were like the Taliban in many aspects except they weren't religious. These fascists were living comfortably in the west while furthering their agendas through the Taliban. Both groups wanted Pashtun supremacy and power and they didn't care who they harmed.

                          After 9/11 when the US started bombing the Taliban, the fascist Afghan Mellatis saw an opportunity for them to return to Afghanistan under the pretense of being technocrats to further their agenda. With the aid of their mentor Zalmay Khalilzad, the former US Ambassador to Afghanistan, they returned to Kabul, and momentarily dropped any support they had for the Taliban. They knew that International aid money would be pouring in and they wanted to steal as much as they could. Aside from gaining financially they also grabbed the key posts in the government: i.e. Abdul Rahim Wardak became
                          Minister of National Defense, Hedayat Amin Arsala became Senior Minister in the Cabinet, Mohamad Hanif Atmar became Minister of Education, Mohammad Amin Fatimie became Minster of Public Health, Yousef Pashtun became Minister of Urban Development, Anwar Ul-Haq Ahady (who is also head of the Afghan Mellat) became Minister of Finance, etc. However, Afghan Mellatis did not win any positions and posts on their own by being elected; instead Karzai appointed them all to high-profile posts such as ministries, advisors, chancellors, and deputies. So Karzai surrounded himself with the Afghan Mellat, making them his main policy-makers. Once they took their place in the government, Afghan Mellatis welcomed Taliban members into the government and they were given positions as well. Of course they have only their own agenda in mind and will do whatever they can do for the betterment of only their own tribes as opposed to looking out for the betterment of the country as a whole. Some of the members of the Afghan Mellat party who live in Europe such as Rostar Taraki, Azam Sistani, Wali Ahmad Noori, Khalilullah Maroofi, write articles and essays that bash all the other ethnicities and their values. Their intentions are to show the tribal Pashtuns as dominant group and all the other ethnicities as insignificant groups in Afghanistan. Their writings are posted all over the internet and their views reflect the intentions and collective views of the entire Afghan Mellat party.


                          As the finance minister, Ashraf Ghani Ahmadzai did not properly allocate money to areas for educational needs, health facilities, infrastructure, etc. Instead he mainly allocated funds to insignificant projects involving violent Pashtun tribal areas of the south. He also refused to give up his American Citizenship as it was required by the constitution from all members of cabinet, so he was replaced by another Afghan Mellat, Anwar Ul-Haq
                          Ahady. Ghani was then demoted to being the Chancellor of Kabul University. He does not bother to hide his contempt for Farsi as a language. On his first day, Ghani entered Kabul University and upon seeing the Farsi sign Danishgah (University) and Pashto sign, he broke off the Farsi sign and began kicking it around, stating that he did not want the sign anywhere around. He also closed down the only library in Kabul University because
                          most of the books in the library were published in Iran. Kabul University is the only University in the capital. Now, what kind of treatment should the students of the University expect from someone like him when he is so blatantly against their language and culture? He is biased and intolerant and such a person should not be given any source of power because it is obvious what a danger he is to the foundation of the country. He obviously does not believe in equality among the ethnic groups or the languages.


                          When the new bills were printed during the period of the interim government, without the consent of a representative body such as an elected government or a Parliament, Anwar Ul-Haq Ahady had the notes of the bills written in English and Pashto instead of Farsi, which is far better known in Afghanistan than Pashto ever was or will be. Such actions indicate that they have several ways of trying to eradicate Farsi from the country. The fascist Afghan Mellat knows that Pashto will never catch on naturally which is why they try to force the language upon the country. It is mandated upon the students in school and it's also forced upon the public by having the national anthem in Pashto. They are trying to elevate Pashto to a higher status than it deserves and can only do so by sheer force.


                          It was hoped that the fascistic Pashtuns would have been more socially and politically responsible and would have stayed away from undermining the national foundations of our country. Instead they chose to abuse their power and abuse Afghanistan and its people. As long as people like Anwar Ul-Haq Ahady, Asharf Ghani Ahmadzai, Hashmat Ghani Ahmadzai, Amin Arsala, Atmaar, Amin Wakman, Sharzai, Enam Wak, Ali Jalali etc. have any kind of power, the Afghan Mellat will actively be involved in destroying Afghanistan and keeping the idea of freedom, social justice and equality at a far, far distance.

                          More Awghan Mellatis: Ashraf Ghani, Anwar Ul-Haq Ahady
                          I enjoyed each and every sentence of this article. If this is true that Afghan Millat Party is doing all this , then I see the future of Pashto and Pashtuns very bright in Afghanistan. One must try in this way to protect your national interests. One must be assertive if not aggressive to achieve your identity and due place in society and polity. My regards to Afghan Millat.

                          However I believe in coexistence as we see in Canada or Switzerland or Belgium. In spite of many languages and cultures they are developed nations. Pluralism and multiculturalism should win not bigotry and extremism.

                          In Persian speaking areas, Pesrian should be dominant while in Pashto speaking areas Pashsto should have the sway. In Kabul both Pashto and Persian should be treated equally. Pashto should have equal presence in media, offices, commerce and education. Pashtuns should not submit to the linguistic and cultural dominance of Persians. Pashto has its own history, literature and traditions. These must be preserved but not at the cost of others.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Badlun View Post
                            ANP was right at that time and is right now to support the anti Taliban drive of the Pakistani Army. Pakistani Army or the West created these monsters to use them like fodder against the erstwhile USSR and are destroying them as these are useless but dangerous tools now.

                            Pashtun nationalism is the only panacea for the menace of extremism and terrorism. The more you are Pashtun, the less you are a bigot.
                            The issue with the bolded sentence is not their stance, but their chicanery and faux grief with the operation itself. To that extent, Shah Baz and Bannu Mazdigar are correct. They (ANP degenerate feces-human hybrids) operate according to the following algorithm:

                            As you said, they support and jockey for the operation in clear terms and make their support apparent to the key army players (irrespective of morality or immorality ---> Operation occurs ---> To satisfy their base they feign continued opposition to the Pak Army and point out a series of obvious errors in the operations that were going to occur in any case. (e.g. that the operation's announcement period of 24 to 48 hours gave time for militants to flee yet they decry the loss of civilian life which can only generally be spared with either Special Operation targeted raids or a warning to the populace to leave) ---> They demonstrate faux grief and talk about the displacement of FATA tribes as if they were originally against this.

                            In the least you take ownership and are consistent. They are far from that.

                            Regarding the second statement, that is a return to your typical nonsense and non evidence based statement. That is like saying: The more Caucasian you are, the less racist you are... or the more Tamil you are, the less racist you are. Racism and bigotry have other biological bases that have nothing to do how Pashtun one is or is not. Take for instance Abdurrahman's butchery and the continued residual ethnic discontent due to his behavior.
                            "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Badlun View Post
                              I enjoyed each and every sentence of this article. If this is true that Afghan Millat Party is doing all this , then I see the future of Pashto and Pashtuns very bright in Afghanistan. One must try in this way to protect your national interests. One must be assertive if not aggressive to achieve your identity and due place in society and polity. My regards to Afghan Millat.

                              However I believe in coexistence as we see in Canada or Switzerland or Belgium. In spite of many languages and cultures they are developed nations. Pluralism and multiculturalism should win not bigotry and extremism.

                              In Persian speaking areas, Pesrian should be dominant while in Pashto speaking areas Pashsto should have the sway. In Kabul both Pashto and Persian should be treated equally. Pashto should have equal presence in media, offices, commerce and education. Pashtuns should not submit to the linguistic and cultural dominance of Persians. Pashto has its own history, literature and traditions. These must be preserved but not at the cost of others.
                              This artical is full of garbage Afghan milat and most PAshtun Nationalists in Afghanistan only promote Pashtu they don't hinder any other group. This tajiki troll makes things up, becuase they are the ones who want to destroy PAshtu and make from Afghanistan a farsi speaking country.

                              This is one of the ASDP cultural agendas. And tell me is this somehow racist of fascist?

                              2. ASDP respects all languages spoken in the country, but in line with the Constitution recognizes only Pashto and Dari as the country’s two (2) official languages. ASDP believes that, in line with our democratic principles, the degree of importance of any language of the country must be in proportion to the number of speakers of that language.

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