why the west and saudis supporting the terrorist army and agencies of pakistan

[gadoonwal]

Now it is no longer a secret that the west and saudis are fully responssible for supporting,funding and arming the terrorist army of pakistan.
The well known corrupt country on earth pakistan is deseas and cancer for the whole region and the world.
But it is not just pakistan and its establishment ,the west and saudis are showering dollars on pakistani govt.
The US supplying modren weapons and funding pakistani army.
Many of the top ,,isi,,agents are trained by US.
The US share Intelligence with pakistani ISI.

The top pakistani army officer get regular update from Pentagon.
They are in fact on the payroll of US pentagon.
The US with help of pakistani ,,isi,, set up terrorist bases in pashtunkhwa.
Withtout US support ,,isi,,can not continue this dirty war on pashtuns.
The US and west also oppose the Baluch freedom movement.
At the same time both sides playing words with eachother to make fool of the world.
If US BOMBING afghan-pashtuns and waziristani-pashtuns for terrorism why do,nt they bomb directly the mother of terrorism in GHQ and terrorist camps in punjab.
The two evils killing pakhtuns for their stratigic interests.

On the other side the wahabis/saudis are in deep love with pakistan.
They are funding and supporting pakistan on all sides.They are scared of iran.They think that pakistani army will save them from iran.
The Saudis are also the loyal servants of US and they have to follow the US.

[gadoonwal]

Pashtun mular omar must hide in caves for supporting bin ladin ,right.
While punjabi hamid gul and his terrorist ,,isi,,are free to continue terrorism.
Did,nt pakistani army supported Ladin?
Who given him house in abot abad?
who was guarding his house?
was this not well plan bs by both US and pakistan?

The questin is why poor pashtuns are suffering in this dirty and well plan war of west and pakistan?

[Karachi]

I have actually always wondered about this. Saudi Arabia is pretty much responsible for forming so many terrorists groups and organizations. I just dont understand what is their end goal? how is supporting terrorists benefiting them?

Both Saudi and Pakistan are basically western puppets states. I think the best theory is that the west created these states and terrorists organizations to always keep the muslim world destabilized. I really dont understand any other motive behind it.

[gadoonwal]

If mula omar and his talibs supported the terrorists, according to the west.
We want to know who brought them into power?
who was funding and training them?
which country influenced them?
Finally wich country back stabed them?

All pashtuns ,nationalists,wahabis,talibs and so on should stand for their national interests.All of them need to know that these world power are using us against eachothers.We will kill and hate eachother for what?
If pakistan is realy islamic let them bring talib style ,,sharia,,,in lahore and heramandi first.
This war is for stratigic interests of west, and pakistan like true gulam is part of this game for dollars.

I would say the US and Saudis are equally responssible for the genocide of pashtuns.
The world must stop the genocides of pashtuns on both side of durandline.

[gadoonwal]

I have actually always wondered about this. Saudi Arabia is pretty much responsible for forming so many terrorists groups and organizations. I just dont understand what is their end goal? how is supporting terrorists benefiting them?

Both Saudi and Pakistan are basically western puppets states. I think the best theory is that the west created these states and terrorists organizations to always keep the muslim world destabilized. I really dont understand any other motive behind it.

karachi,
you need to go back to the history who brought the ,,al-saud,,of saudia arabia into power?
They were brought into power by the west to weaken the authoman empire of that time.
They supported the arabs against turk and divided the muslms.
Now the wahabis of saudii arabia are the loyal servants of west.

[randolph85]

the saudis will support these groups abroad but stamp out these people with an iron fist at home. they recently introduced laws to criminalize saudis going to fight jihad abroad, so basically they like to stir things up as long as it doesn't reach their own house. their policy is retarded and they are facing a backlash from groups who may of been clients of the saudi state but now rebel and use salafi ideology against them.

the groups who are against the saudi state are more in line with ikhwani ideology of society and government being under the banner of islam in contrast with the saudi salafi ideology of society being ruled by islam while matters of the state belong to the saud family.

this is why along with egypts new gov't, the saudis are the most anti ikhwani entity in the world.

[gadoonwal]

the saudis will support these groups abroad but stamp out these people with an iron fist at home. they recently introduced laws to criminalize saudis going to fight jihad abroad, so basically they like to stir things up as long as it doesn't reach their own house. their policy is retarded and they are facing a backlash from groups who may of been clients of the saudi state but now rebel and use salafi ideology against them.

the groups who are against the saudi state are more in line with ikhwani ideology of society and government being under the banner of islam in contrast with the saudi salafi ideology of society being ruled by islam while matters of the state belong to the saud family.

this is why along with egypts new gov't, the saudis are the most anti ikhwani entity in the world.

so the wahabi state support the same terrorists abroad but not in their own country?

[randolph85]

so the wahabi state support the same terrorists abroad but not in their own country?

yes, the saudis are scared of political muslims who are not slaves of the saudi state. their "anti terror" laws at home are far harsher than america's. prime example of their hypocrisy is the criminalization of saudis who join the same jihad or even the same groups that the state sponsors in syria.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Pakistan and american relation will remain so forever,Both of them need each other.

Saudi arabia relation with Pakistan are Good but it depends upon the leader aswell.Such as nawaz is closer to all the gulf countries while as per WIkileaks,The Saudi king had called zardari as Dog and since than i have started respect for him aswell.

Even After the recent claim of a Book that Pakistan was involved in protecting Osama,Few days later a USA extract cofirmed that USA doesnt believe that Pakistan was officially protecting OBL.

[gadoonwal]

Pakistan and american relation will remain so forever,Both of them need each other.

Saudi arabia relation with Pakistan are Good but it depends upon the leader aswell.Such as nawaz is closer to all the gulf countries while as per WIkileaks,The Saudi king had called zardari as Dog and since than i have started respect for him aswell.

Even After the recent claim of a Book that Pakistan was involved in protecting Osama,Few days later a USA extract cofirmed that USA doesnt believe that Pakistan was officially protecting OBL.

whatever, at the end pashtuns will be killed .
so why we should care for pakistani interests?
we should not support pakistan and its interests.

[Bengal_Tiger]

whatever, at the end pashtuns will be killed .
so why we should care for pakistani interests?
we should not support pakistan and its interests.

1. Pakistan was created by the British and nurtured by them, now that role has been transferred to their Anglo-saxon cousins, the Americans.

2. [MENTION=1201]Toramana[/MENTION] thinks the US does not want to break Pakistan up but merely to keep it being unstable as it is now, with lots of killing and conflict.

He might be right. I don't know.


3. The Anglo-saxon powers have a deep hatred of Pashtuns and want revenge for their many defeats and humiliations at the hands of Pashtuns. The greatest defeat the British ever suffered was at the hands of Afghans/Pashtuns.


4. Saudis have had good relations with Pakistan since the days of Maudoodi who impressed them with his supposed religiousity and pan-Islamic sentiments.

Since then their "friendship" has grown.

5. Saudi finds Pakistan useful because:

a: It has a big military which have been used to kill Muslims in Bangladesh, Jordan and elsewhere and can be hired to help the Saudis.

b: Though being "Muslim" it is not Arab like Egypt so not a rival for leadership of the Arab world

c: Not Shia like Iran


However Saudi interests and self-survival come first so Saudi is getting closer and closer to India, though it won't allow Pakistan to get closer to its (Pakistan's) neighbour Iran.

6. Saudis fund radicalism and terrorism through out the Muslim world. I doubt they have any personal hatred of Pashtuns, it is just that their support for Pakistan and support for terrorists like the TTP become strong.


If the Saudi regime keep on misbehaving the way they are, they will be overthrown in the next few years.

They need to stop supporting terrorism and destabilizing Muslim countries such as Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Bangladesh and many others.

However it looks like Turkey wants to step in Saudi's shoes and be the next US appointed destabilizer of the Muslim world. Turkey is already supporting terrorists in Syria, extremists in Egypt, extremists in Bangladesh (Jamaat e Islami) etc.