Pashtun intellectual contradictions

[Bost Bastan News]

Dear brothers and sisters,

with this thread I want to have a healthy and educational discussion with you about some things that really annoying me. I hope you respect our eachother´s distance and show good manner you and me learned at home.

I noticed, as the title already says, that we (Afghanistan) have many intellectual contradictions when we talk our situation and society and I want to analyse this why it is limited mostly to us and not to our neighbours although we have as well doctors, professors, teachers, scientists, journalists and Albert Einsteins. These contradictions are very strong if we talk about politics and specially when it comes to Pashtun interests. We accuse Panjabis trying to dominate us and oppresse us but instead demanding for equality and justice we do actually the same when we make claims on Baluchistan or want to play the Panjabi-style politics in the war-torn Afghanistan. It´s like we ignore our suffering and the reasons of it and want the same suffering to others. We accuse other people being racists when they just defend their own interests as we would do the same, serving our own interests but why we react so aggressively toward them? Do not everyone has the right to have own interests as anyone of us have?

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Well this is the nature of all the people living in the developing world

[Bost Bastan News]

Well this is the nature of all the people living in the developing world

I wouldn´t say all. Where we have seen Balochi people claiming on our soil or a Panjabi? I have never seen a Farsiwan saying Peshawar is also his land. I also have never seen an Uzbek or Sindhi claiming on anything or being radical as we are.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

I wouldn´t say all. Where we have seen Balochi people claiming on our soil or a Panjabi? I have never seen a Farsiwan saying Peshawar is also his land. I also have never seen an Uzbek or Sindhi claiming on anything or being radical as we are.

You might have never seen them but do know they do.

*Baloch

Baloch historically has been limited to the Kalat on Pakistan side and Sistan in Iran.But still they claim on the whole of balochsitan region(Afghanistan,Pakistan and Iran).

*Punjabi Nationalist such as the khalistani People does claim over Pakistani Punjab and Making Lahore back as their Capital

*Farsiwand/Tajik they do have claim of making the ancient khorosan again into Reality,For more detail just visit the tajik nationalists forums

*SIndhi nationalist claim over parts of Balochistan including the region upto Gwadar(Anything that fall under ancient les bela) For a supposed Independent country

*Persian does claim about w&hole of Afghanistan,Half of Pakistan and Central asia as Greater Iran.I can show you recent examples of me having a conversation with iranians in the iran military forum

Not sure about uzbeks

[Bost Bastan News]

You might have never seen them but do know they do.

*Baloch

Baloch historically has been limited to the Kalat on Pakistan side and Sistan in Iran.But still they claim on the whole of balochsitan region(Afghanistan,Pakistan and Iran).

*Punjabi Nationalist such as the khalistani People does claim over Pakistani Punjab and Making Lahore back as their Capital

*Farsiwand/Tajik they do have claim of making the ancient khorosan again into Reality,For more detail just visit the tajik nationalists forums

*SIndhi nationalist claim over parts of Balochistan including the region upto Gwadar(Anything that fall under ancient les bela) For a supposed Independent country

*Persian does claim about w&hole of Afghanistan,Half of Pakistan and Central asia as Greater Iran.I can show you recent examples of me having a conversation with iranians in the iran military forum

Not sure about uzbeks

But those groups are a small minority not even consisting 2% of their people. They are concentrated only in a party. But we are in the mass radical. That´s the different. We don´t need to be in nationlist parties to be radicals and diehard nationalists. I am not talking about the Pakistani Pashtuns but about the Afghanistan Pashtuns. In Balochistan a Pashtun nationalist party is ruling although Balochistan is dominated by Balochs. So your assumptation doesn´t make real sense speaking for all Balochis.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

But those groups are a small minority not even consisting 2% of their people. They are concentrated only in a party. But we are in the mass radical. That´s the different. We don´t need to be in nationlist parties to be radicals and diehard nationalists. I am not talking about the Pakistani Pashtuns but about the Afghanistan Pashtuns. In Balochistan a Pashtun nationalist party is ruling although Balochistan is dominated by Balochs. So your assumptation doesn´t make real sense speaking for all Balochis.

Agreed.Baloch Rebels are in small number because their anti state activities are only for a certain mass of land while pashtun resistance is based off Islam.

The Baloch rebel are hell of liberal and they usually doesnt end up killing innocents including childrens and women for the sake of imposing shariah.While in reality the recent dialogue's has proven that they never wanted or cared about Islam but rather Islamabad.

[DSM0305]

Bost Bastan News you don't make even remotely sense. You really need a reality check.

Lets be honest in terms of ethnicities and their political view. As Bannu already mentioned, every ethnicity got a hardcore movement that claim something or have distorted views of other. In the other hand Pashtuns in Afghanistan are the only one who doesn't. You can find a big widely spread movements in other ethnicities who got support in huge masses from their representative ethnic group. While in Pashtun case in Afghanistan they are quite open minded and try to live along. That is also the reason you don't see Pashto to be linga france in Afghanistan, solely because of Pashtuns open minded behavior, which they without discrimination spoke dari with other ethnic groups.
While one can see openly support to radical fascism in other ethnic groups, there is widely condemns from Pashtuns against fascism.

I know you're Tajik who have distorted view of Pashtuns, but reality is open and clear. Fascism in Pashtun society is close to non-existent, while in other ethnic groups it is openly supported. So I to be honest cant see where you got this idea of Pashtuns from, unless you yourself is part of fascist groups who openly propaganda against Pashtuns. Looking at other posts of yours, I wouldn't be surprised if you were.

[DaZahroJaam.]

it's pretty sad because for people who have endured hardship, we should know better and have a developed sense of understanding these things but unfortunately we don't. we are emotionally stuck at this point where we are persuaded and repulsed by others very easily.
whoever wants to help us is naturally going to put their own benefits ahead of us but if someone does that behind our backs, we will gladly chop off our arms and feet and hand it over to them. if someone is honest to us, we are angry with them. we should know that their own happiness as well as that of their people will always come ahead of us. it's their duty to their own people and there would be something morally corrupted about them if it didn't. (we see so many examples of this with afghan political leaders of today)

when it comes to someone going out of their way to help us and us allowing them to go ahead with it, we should judge them on the amount of harm they are willing to put us through in order to keep themselves satisfied and whoever keeps that to the lowest extent will be our friends. if it is made to seem that there is nothing in it for themselves, don't allow the favor as it will come back and bite you in the behind, if it is made to seem that they are in it entirely for themselves, obviously the favor should not be allowed.

[Khostai]

I wouldn´t say all. Where we have seen Balochi people claiming on our soil or a Panjabi? I have never seen a Farsiwan saying Peshawar is also his land. I also have never seen an Uzbek or Sindhi claiming on anything or being radical as we are.

I have seen plenty Farsiwan who even claimed Khost and Paktia as Tajik territories but is somehow accupied by Pashtuns lol.
Uzbacks on the other hand are just not that big to claim anything in Afghanistan.
Baloch also claimed that some part of southern Kandahar belongs to them....

But anyhow the bigest fascist supporters and people who publicaly support fascism in Afghanistan are Tajiks.

[Bost Bastan News]

I have seen plenty Farsiwan who even claimed Khost and Paktia as Tajik territories but is somehow accupied by Pashtuns lol.
Uzbacks on the other hand are just not that big to claim anything in Afghanistan.
Baloch also claimed that some part of southern Kandahar belongs to them....

But anyhow the bigest fascist supporters and people who publicaly support fascism in Afghanistan are Tajiks.

Thank you brother for your opinion but you have proven many times with your comments that you are hating (fascism) everyone of the non-Pashtuns. What is your opinion about Taqat, Yun and other fascists supporting and promoting Mr. Ashraf Ghani? Do you know why Mr. Ashraf Ghani have chosen two well-known (known Birlik Turkistani and Hazaristani) ethnocentric ones as his vices? Do you know about Mr. Ashraf Ghani´s plans for Durani Pashtuns and Farsiwans? Yesterday, the same guys raped, killed, looted and called eachother dogs and pigs and wanted to be publically non-Afghans. You remember? When it come to fascism and power enemies become ''friends'' (at least until the elections end). Where is ghairat?

Khost and Paktia were for immortals our lands. Non-Pashtuns are welcomed to live there but it´s not their native lands. But according to Faiz Khetab Hazara during Abdurahman Khan thousands of Farsiwans were settled there.

[Khostai]

Thank you brother for your opinion but you have proven many times with your comments that you are hating (fascism) everyone of the non-Pashtuns. What is your opinion about Taqat, Yun and other fascists supporting and promoting Mr. Ashraf Ghani? Do you know why Mr. Ashraf Ghani have chosen two well-known (known Birlik Turkistani and Hazaristani) ethnocentric ones as his vices? Do you know about Mr. Ashraf Ghani´s plans for Durani Pashtuns and Farsiwans? Yesterday, the same guys raped, killed, looted and called eachother dogs and pigs and wanted to be publically non-Afghans. You remember? When it come to fascism and power enemies become ''friends'' (at least until the elections end). Where is ghairat?

Khost and Paktia were for immortals our lands. Non-Pashtuns are welcomed to live there but it´s not their native lands. But according to Faiz Khetab Hazara during Abdurahman Khan thousands of Farsiwans were settled there.

Mr. Ashraf Ghani is a good person. He is what Afghanistan needs today to end the Farsibanisation and fascist corrupt goverment of Durranis and Tajiks that are now in power.

[Bost Bastan News]

Another intellectual contradiction we have done and yet we do not realize it, at least the majority don´t realize it.

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