PUNJABIS the bravest nation in south asia

[gadoonwal]

First of all to all emotional pashtuns take a breath and put your head down and think about it before you make slogans.
Here on this forum we all calling bad names to pakis and punjabis but are we realy some great people on this earth?
what make us better then punjabis?
Hospitality and what els?

Punjabis are clever,brave and patriotic people.
A punjabi will never bomb his school.
A punjabi will never sell his country to indains.
They took side with westreners and serve them but for the interests of their beloved country pakistan.
Their powerfull ,,isi,, even defeated the cia and raw.
They successfully spread their islamisation in pakistan to control the minds of none-punjabis.
They got nuclear weapon and world,s strongest army .
They lost bangladesh cus bangalis wanted independence.
The indains helped the bangalis.If bangalis were loayl pakis india was going to lose the war in bangladesh so they lost banladesh cus of bangalis not indains.
They fought war in 1965 with world ,s strong country but agains the brave punjabis defended their land and the hindoes never took one inch of pakistan.
Yes,they used also pashtuns but most of them were punjabis.
What punjabis achieved in 60 years afghan could,nt achieved in 260 years and still punjabis are begerath.

In the 70s when dawood khan raised the issue of duranline this brave nation used a clever man Bhutu a sindi.
The Butu invited and hired some afghanis like guldbudin and masood to fight against dawood.
Later another punjabi heroe and the killer of pashtuns zai ul haque trained many afghanis like masood,rabani,sayaf,gulo,khalis and many more to fight against the communists govt and again punjab won the battle .
Later the ,,isi,,used pashtuns against russia and najeeb.
Hamid gul punjabi ordered afghanis to kill najeeb and pull him like dog in the street of kabul.
Pakistan army pilot bombed kundus and other parts of northren afghanistan to get control over afghanistan.
Finally imam tarar also known as colonal imam become the head of taliban forces.He was always behind the sean.In media they shown these afghani talibs.
pakistan transported many terrorists from kashmir to afghanistan for training during that period.

After the US invasion once agains punjabis funded and trained talibs to fight US and karzai.This time agains the brave punjabis won the war and US had no choice but to beg punjabis for help.
The punjabis reached secret deal with US and now the loser US is runing away from afghanistan.
punjab control afghanistan whether afghanis accept this or not but this is fact.
The powerfull ,,isi,,busy pumping US dollars to afghan leaders to win the next election for its influence.
At the sametime training more talibs to get control after 2014.
For the pashtuns in pakistan they kill you like animals and will continue .
They will use you like socks and will throw you the next day

They bomb your schools on both side and you geratmand pashtana like women only abuse them,,..


After all this how can someone say punjabis are coward,begerat and losers.


In fact we are begerat,coward and sell out.
pay them billions a nar punjabi will not sell one inch of his land to you but pay them few rupees a dala pashtun will sell his loyality and still we are great ,,bs.


so my advise to all pashtuns to put your heads down and think about are you realy great people?
are you loyal to your land?
do you realy care for your pashtu?
you rule your country for 260 years but adopted the iranian language and still you are great.

They raped both side of pashtuns not just one side.
The afghan side is also raped by tajiks and iranains.


From now on pashtuns should focus on their faults and begeratob and clean their own backyard first.
we will remain slaves and backward unless we count on our own mistakes.

[VerySorry]

Begum Nasim Wali wrote this article?

[gadoonwal]

Begum Nasim Wali wrote this article?

no,i wrote this just few minutes ago.

[VerySorry]

no,i wrote this just few minutes ago.

Would you like to write something for me? I'm waiting.

Good night

[Karachi]

Punjabis are often blamed for everything, which is wrong. People cannot blame 70 million punjabis for what is happening. Pakwatan is right in one thing, that many punjabis, especially rural ones are simple/friendly people. They dont even know what is going on outside their village, town or city. So how can anyone blame them for world politics?

Really if anything, only blame Pakistan Government/Army/ISI

^ agreed these are dominated by Punjabis, but they are mostly elite punjabis who live in cities like Lahore, Islamabad, Rawalpindi and they like others will do anything to protect their own interests.

Actually my main problem with Punjab and Pakistan in general is the growing extremism and the hate for others which has brain washed youth. How can we call ourselves muslims, when we are not even acting as humans?

The problems of our region are much larger, so we can not blame one group of people, because every group has a negative side. We need to work together to solve issues

[Pakwatan]

This thread is about to make me cry. lol


You guys should realize that there is good and bad among all people. Punjabi elites don't pay my bills or give a **** about me or the awam.

Same way your guy's Karzai probably doesn't give 2 silver nickels about Pashtuns.


For the elites of both sides it's just about power and wealth.

I don't think Punjabis are any braver or less brave than anyone else.

[Pakwatan]

[MENTION=1068]gadoonwal[/MENTION] saab, there is one point that I would like to disagree with you about.

Punjabi Talibans do kill other Shia Punjabis and minority Punjabis. LeJ is notorious for killing civilians Punjabi or not. If it's not wahabi or deobandi, then they will get attacked. Ethnicity does not play a major role.

Establishment/political dynasties/bureaucratics don't care about anyone but their inner circles. They are the kalay engrez of our times, or brown sahibs.

At least the English would build things in Pakistan. These people just loot everything and drink the blood of their own people.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

They are clever Indeed.

anyway i beleive in Unity.Not only among Muslims of Pakistan but even Non muslims.

[Pakwatan]

They are clever Indeed.

anyway i beleive in Unity.Not only among Muslims of Pakistan but even Non muslims.

We are not really clever lala, but we are honest. You Pashtuns are the lion hearts.

pathans or pashtuns history - YouTube


Yaar app logon ne do super power ko khusboo laga di.

Really you will never hear a Punjabi say that a Pathan is not brave. But forget all of that. I think Pashtuns are the best of all friends to ever make.

You guys have a great warrior culture, but I think Pashtuns should take a break for a couple centuries and get in touch with their sensitive side.

[VerySorry]

In the first line of the original OP, the poster said, 'think about before you make slogans'. Well, thinking is the opposite of courage.

Thinking has its place, for instance when it comes to practical stuff, but life cannot be lived by thinking. Thinking is a disease.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Demonizing a whole ethnic group and blaming them for your own personal failures is a trait of Nationalists. The Germans did this to Jews. The Jews are still one of the most productive and one of the most innovative people on earth.

If Pashtuns want to move forward, they need to stop blaming others and start taking responsibility for their own failures and errors.

[Badlun]

In the first line of the original OP, the poster said, 'think about before you make slogans'. Well, thinking is the opposite of courage.

Thinking has its place, for instance when it comes to practical stuff, but life cannot be lived by thinking. Thinking is a disease.

Good observation. Pashtuns generally act, react, behave and perform instinctively not rationally. They do not use mind or intellect or reason or logic but heart, feelings, sentiments, intuition, traditions, values etc and thus more rational people like Punjabis win and Pashtuns lose.

For practical purposes one must think but on individual level and for personal happiness yes thinking is a disaster. Mind is your worst enemy. If you have not read Osho on this earlier, please join here on the same subject matter.

http://www.pashtunforums.com/philosophy-education/21291.htm

[VerySorry]

Good observation. Pashtuns generally act, react, behave and perform instinctively not rationally. They do not use mind or intellect or reason or logic but heart, feelings, sentiments, intuition, traditions, values etc and thus more rational people like Punjabis win and Pashtuns lose.

For practical purposes one must think but on individual level and for personal happiness yes thinking is a disaster. Mind is your worst enemy. If you have not read Osho on this earlier, please join here on the same subject matter.

http://www.pashtunforums.com/philoso...tion/21291.htm

I'll check that thread, it looks interesting. Thank you.

[Badlun]

I will here reproduce my thoughts on Punjabi-Pashtun nexus and quagmire

Pashtuns generally blame each and everything on few other entities like Pakistani army, ISI , Punjab and Punjabis etc. We feel satisfied that we put the blame on Punjabis and our work is done. In this article I would like to have a threadbare analysis of this trend of Pashtuns to blame others specially Punjabis for all the problems of Pashtuns.

For me Punjab is a land, a province of Pakistan and India and all the people living there are Punjabis who may speak different languages as Seraiki, Hindko, Potohari, Gujri, and even Pashto. Punjabi is not a race or ethnic group like Pashtuns. Even a Pashtun who lives in the province of Punjab is a Punjabi because he is living there but by race or language or ethnicity he or she is Pashtun. Using Punjabi as a race for people is a misnomer which must be rectified. Punjab is land of five rivers derived from Panj means five and Ab which means water.

Punjabi as a language is a very weak language; it’s very similar to Urdu and has never been a medium of instruction or a court language. It does not have any strong literature as compared to Pashto. Pashto has a rich literature and is the official language of a country Afghanistan. There is no any such culture as Punjabi; it can be Indian, Hindu or Sikh but not Punjabi as such. There is no Punjabi nationalism like Pashtun nationalism. There is no Punjabi movement for promulgation of any Punjabi culture on Pashtuns even the Punjabis themselves are leaving their language and culture and all these educated Punjabis now mostly speak Urdu and not Panjabi.

Keeping all this in view I don’t understand why we Pashtuns are so much afraid of Punjab and Punjabis and blaming them for all our faults and problems. I see in a remote Pashtun village when they write Urdu or Dari on their sign boards, who are that Panjabi who is telling him not to write Pashto instead.

The basic purpose of this article is that we may not blame Punjabis for our problems, Punjabis are culturally weak people and are generally not nationalists .Rarely they organize events like Alamami Panjabi conference but it’s the right of any people to have such conferences.

Some Pashtun circles think that Punjabis are very clever people. I agree that they are concerned with their commercial and agricultural activities. This way they are intelligent, not like Pashtuns who instead of business and other useful activities are involved in religious extremism and terrorism .Majority of Punjabis live in rural areas .They are simple and innocent people . As they are in majority in number, about 49 % in Pakistan , that is why they may seem to be oppressors , and some of them may be really oppressors, but instead of blaming them we Pashtuns should make ourselves strong enough not to let Punjabis to grab our rights

Pashtuns should be involved in more productive and educational activities instead of tribal wars and terrorism and smuggling etc .Lets forget Punjabis as cause of our problems , lets make ourselves strong by education, commerce, agriculture, culture , sports, media etc

I want to generate useful, intellectual discussion on few myths that we are living with them for the last many centuries, much have been written and spoken on the other side of what I write like Punjabis being enemies of Pashtuns, Tajiks being our enemies etc

Look at the history of Pakistan, has there being any important Panjabi president or prime minister , no ,the same in Afghanistan, all presidents/kings were Pashtuns(for Tajiks and Pashtuns. I am writing a new article) in Pakistan, Muhamamd Ali Jinah, Liaqat Ali Khan, Ayub khan, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, Benazir Bhutto, Musharaf, Asif Ali Zardari , etc all are non Punjabis, even Nawaz Sharif is a Kashmiri, not pure Panjabi.The present prime minister Gilani is Seraiki, not pure Panjabi. What I want to prove is that the ones who remained at the helm of affairs in Pakistan were non Punjabis.

Then Punjabis in Pakistan are not that much nationalists as Pashtuns, Sindhis, Baluchs. They being a race are a very weak group, there are many races and castes, even they are not a nation or one race, and the people in the area of Punjab are Punjabis, not like Pashtuns who are one race, one blood, one genealogy. Punjabis speak many languages, have many religions, many races, many castes, different cultures, there is not a single political known party on the name of Punjabis as Pashtunkhwah Mili awami Party etc,

The killers in Pashtuns areas are government people , not Punjabis as a race who are coming to Pashtunkhwah to kill Pashtuns, being their enemies as in a genocide, We don’t have any Panjabi movement against Pashtuns, Pashtuns are being killed because of their own faults, because of international politics and because of state policies not because of any Panjabi adverse movement against Pashtuns

Pashtuns may understand this harsh reality. Instead of blaming Punjabis, we must concentrate on our pitfalls, lets think creatively, not on these traditional lines that our misfortunes are because of Punjabis or others, lets think differently now. My approach will seem bizarre to many but if you think with a impartial objective mind you may find some truth in what I request here

We may not compare the case of former East Pakistan now Bangladesh. First because it was a wrong decision to make Bangladesh part of Pakistan being 1000 miles away and India an enemy in between, second, Bangladesh being a different culture and language totally different, third it was because of the non Punjabis Ayub khan and Bhutto that they started separating . That was a problem between the two wings, East and West, not between Punjabis and Bengalis two opponent races , it was not a racial genocide , it was a political phenomenon.

Another resembling case is the name Hindu. Hindu is again not a race or nation, the people living near the river Indus are Hindus, whether they speak Hindi or not, there are thousands of languages in India, thousands of races and many religions all are not Hindus . Another connotation of being Hindu is religiously Hindu, but again Hinduism is not purely a religion .Its a social order. People can take name from the area where they live but this does not make them a race. It will have a name like Punjabis, living in the area of Punjab but racially they are either Gujars, Rajpoots, Chudris, Sardars, Jats, even Baluchs, Pashtuns etc

One person can have many identities, being a human being, then living in the area of Punjab, Panjabi, by race Pashtun, by religion Muslim, by political nationality Pakistani, by profession teacher, by blood relation son or father, etc

My point is Pashtuns are superior to Punjabis being one race , one language, one blood not like Punjabis who are a diverse group of races and people and religions Pashtuns should not afraid of Punjabis. Punjabis can’t do anything against Pashtuns. Pashtuns are enemies of their own selves, not the other way round that Punjabis being a race or people are their enemies.

One might know that the sociological or political terms like NATION, RACE, PEOPLE, TRIBE, EVEN RELIGION etc are very difficult to be defined. There are various aspects of these definitions and various approaches and opinions. I will not get stuck in these intricacies, and I agree that Panjabi has its own identity but this identity is not that strong as that of Pashtuns

What I want to prove here is that Punjabis as a race or social order or tribe, or cultural group, or as a nation are not enemies of Pashtuns. They are not bent upon destroying Pashtuns , it can be a policy which can be Panjabi or non Panjabi origin but Panjabi whatever you call them nation or race , are not as such enemies of Pashtuns , its just a myth making Punjabis as a nation or race responsible for Pashtun misfortunes. We should not show supremacy or difference of races as it will be racism, the same I will try to use in my favor that we as a race may not blame the whole Panjabi people as enemies of Pashtuns, it is generalizing things.

Punjab or any other entity cant rule, can’t subdue Pashtuns if Pashtuns in Pakistan are strong enough to counter any effort of subjugation by others. If we have the right leaders, nationalist parties rule Northern and Southern Pashtunkhwah, Tribal areas are merged with a united Pashtunkhwah province with full autonomy then all this sense of deprivation and inferiority complex of blaming others specially Punjabis will be vanished.

This is a very common perception that Punjabis and Pashtuns both are ethnic groups or races and thus there is an ethnic tension between Pashtuns and Punjabis. And that Punjabis being Punjabis, a distinct ethnic group exploit Pashtuns. This is just a myth and must be broken keeping in view the realities of the situation and not political demagogy and hate statements. The purpose is not to define ethnicities or races etc but to create awareness that the relationship between Punjabis and Pashtuns is not racial or ethnic but have political underpinnings.

Pashtuns is Pashtun everywhere and for example a Pashtun who lives in Balochistan is not a Baloch but only a Pashtun but living in Punjab the same Pashtun is a Punjabi Pashtun because the race or ethnicity Baloch is not based on region or language but Punjabi like Sindhi is only based on region and language . We must differentiate between the ethnic connotation between Punjabis and Sindhis in Pakistan on one hand and Balochs and Pashtuns on another hand. Pashtun is Pashtun wherever he or she lives or whatever language he or she speaks. Punjabi is the one who lives in the Punjab region and who may speak the language Punjabi. Ayub khan the former president of Pakistan who did not speak Pashto like king Zahir Shah was a Tareen Pashtun. Nawaz Sharif from the region of Kashmir was Kashmiri but also Punjabi as living in the region of Punjab. I don’t deny the existence of Punjabis being a distinct group but I stress its base on language and region or society and not on ethnicity or race.

Punjabi is not at all a race or one ethnicity and that Punjabis derive their name from a geographical, historical, and cultural region located in the northwest of the Indian sub-continent. Punjab comes from the Persian words panj (five) and ab (river) and means "Land of the Five Rivers." It was the name used for the lands to the east of the Indus River that are drained by its five tributaries (the Jhelum, Chenab, Ravi, Beas, and Sutlej).

Whatever is found in the region of Punjab is Punjabi. Punjabi Culture is the culture of the Punjab region. . This is the name for all those who live in the area of Punjab now divided between Pakistan and India. Punjabis belong to many races and ethnic groups. The most common castes, races or ethnic groups found in Punjabis can be described as follows.

Punjabi society is divided into two divisions, the zamindar groups or qoums, traditionally associated with farming and the moeens, who are traditionally artisans. Zamindars are further divided into qoums that claim pre-Islamic ancestry such as the Rajput, Jat, Shaikhs or (Muslim Khatri), Kambohs, Gujjars, Dogars and Rahmani (Muslim Labana). Zamindar groups claiming Central Asian or Middle Eastern ancestry include the Gakhars, Khattar, Awan, Mughal and Arain, comprising the main tribes in the north of the province, while Khagga, Bodla, Jhandir, Daudpota, Gardezi, Syed and Quraishi are found in the south, all of whom claim Arabancestry. Immigrants from neighbouring regions, such as the Kashmiri, Pashtun and Baluch ,also form important element in the Punjabi population. Pashtun tribes like the Niazis and the Khakwanis, are integrated into Punjabi village life. Especially the members of the Niazitribe, who see themselves as Punjabis first. They have big communities in Mianwali, Bakkar, Lahore, Faisalabad, Sahiwal and Toba Tek Singh. Major Moeen groups include the Lohar, Khateek, Rawal, Chhimba Darzi, Teli, Julaha, Mallaah, Mirasi and Muslim Shaikhs, who are associated with a particular crafts or occupation. One can see above that even Balochs and Pashtuns have been described as Punjabis

Punjabis can be described as an ethnic group or a multi-ethnical group of people but not one ethnicity or one race originated from one racial stock like Pashtuns or Balochs. They are an Indo-Aryan ethnic group from South Asia. They originate from the Punjab region The Punjabi identity is primarily cultural and linguistic, with Punjabis being those whose first language is Punjabi, an Indo-European and Indo-Scythian tongue. In recent times, however, the definition has been broadened to include also emigrants of Punjabi descent who maintain Punjabi cultural traditions, even when they no longer speak the language.

Even some Afghans or Pashtuns are Punjabis after the settlement of many Pashtuns in Punjab after the invasions of Khiljis, Lodhis, Suris and of Ahmad Shah Baba. The Punjab was a cultural reservoir for the Afghans, and many where attracted to its lush fertile lands, a process that continues to this very day. It has been said that with the loss of the breadbasket regions of the Punjab and Sindh, Afghanistan has never been able to achieve a stable state ever since. Many ethnic Afghan or Pashtun tribes continue to live in Pakistan's Punjab province such as the Khugyanis known as Khakwanis, Alizais, Tareens, Durranis, Mullazais, Niazis, Khattaks, Lodhis, Kakars, Kakazais, and Barakzais to name a few. The Punjabi people are a heterogeneous group and can be subdivided into a number of ethnic clan groups in Pakistan called qaums while they adhere to caste identities in India, each having their own subtle differences. In terms of ancestry, the majority of Punjabis share many similar genes with other northern Indianpopulations, but also show a significant relationship with west Eurasian groups.


Ranjit Singh and other Sikh rulers when they fought with Pashtuns had a religious colour noth ethnic or a fight between Punjabis and Pashtuns. Syed Ahmad Brelvi and Syed Ismail etc who fought against Sikhs were not Pashtuns. That was a war between Muslims and Sikhs and not at all between Pashtuns and Punjabis. If it was a war between Pashtuns and Punjabis then why the Muslim Punjabis did not fight with Pashtuns.


The tension between the provinces of Punjab and Khyber Pashtunkhwah, Sindh and Balochistan in Pakistan is a different story. There might be injustice and exploitation on the part of one province and another in Pakistan but this is not all a racial or ethnic tension. Punjab being almost 45% of Pakistan may have an exploitative image but this happens between all kinds of majorities and minorities. Minorities always feel suppressed, oppressed and exploited by the majority. Some times there is a truth in this feeling and some times it’s only a phobia or imaginative perception of the minorities. If Pashtuns feel exploited by Punjab then they must have democratic struggle for achieving their rights and privileges as they have provincial parliament as well as representation in National Assembly and Senate of Pakistan. The exploitation in Pakistan thus may be taken as an economic or political or provincial issue and not a Punjabi-Pashtun issue. Pashtuns can be the exploiters of Pashtuns and Punjabis can exploit Punjabis not necessarily all Punjabis are the exploiters of Pashtuns.

No doubt Punjabis are more developed than Pashtuns in many areas but this is not the crime of Punjabis. This is because of their hard work, education, democracy management, business oriented approach and non involvement in evils of religious extremism, obscurantism, fundamentalism and terrorism. The southern Punjab have some presence of terrorists and religious extremists and that’s why its more backward and underdeveloped as compared to the Northern Punjab.

Every Pashtun nationalist politician starts his or her speech with attacking Punjab and Punjabis as exploiters of Pashtuns and the ones who grab Pashtun resources like water, electricity, forest and others. I ask these politicians that why they let Punjabis to do so if they really do so. Why Pashtuns don’t take their own resources in their own hands. Why Pashtuns don’t have better human resources to exploit their natural and financial resources. Why we blame others specially Punjabis for their misfortunes and backwardness. Why they don’t chalk out such strategies to make Pashtuns a developed people. This is all but these politicians’ tactics and demagogy to befool their own Pashtuns by passing the balls to the court of Punjabis. This deception game is played by Pashtun politicians since the first day of the inception of Pakistan. Pashtuns are now aware and cant be befooled any more by these demagogues.

The main purpose of this write up is to make the Pashtuns aware that they may not be further exploited by those who raise the slogans that Punjabis oppress Pashtuns. No body can oppress you if you are strong enough. The same Pashtuns ruled the whole India for centuries and are now ruling Afghanistan. Where were Punjabis to stop Pashtuns not to rule and not to be a great nation of that time? Why now Pashtuns became so weak that Punjabis who except few years of Sikhs never had any rule in the world now stop Pashtuns from development and progress. This blame game must be stopped now. Pashtuns are exploited by their own politicians and not by Punjabis. If Pashtuns determine to be a strong nation or people in Pakistan then no one including Punjabis can deter them to not be so.

I am not at all doing any propaganda on behest of any vested powers. I am a proud Pashtun. My only purpose is to tell Pashtuns to get up and build their own destiny by their own efforts and don’t blame others for being downtrodden or dilapidated. I speak for Pashtuns not for Punjabis. I want to break these myths that others as Punjabis or Tajiks exploit Pashtuns (On Pashtuns-Tajiks another myth I am writing a separate article).

My main purpose here is not to define who is a race and ethnic group and who is not. This is an anthropological discussion and can be carried out some where else. What I wanted to say was that Punjabis is not at all as one race or ethnicity or ethnic group as Pashtuns are. Their name is based on a region and language while Pashtuns have different parameters for being one ethnicity or people or race or nation. Punjabis are not at all one nation. They are more Pakistanis than Punjabis in political terms. There is not a single political party on the name of Punjabi nationalism. Their only fault is that they are 45% of the Pakistani population and thus other minorities look down upon them. Pashtuns should benefit from the democracy in Pakistan and may ask for their rights by democratic means and not by blame games and hatred campaigns.

Some information has been taken from the following sites
Punjabis - Introduction, Location, Language, Folklore, Religion, Major holidays, Rites of passage, Relationships, Living conditions
Punjabi people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[gadoonwal]

This thread is about to make me cry. lol


You guys should realize that there is good and bad among all people. Punjabi elites don't pay my bills or give a **** about me or the awam.

Same way your guy's Karzai probably doesn't give 2 silver nickels about Pashtuns.


For the elites of both sides it's just about power and wealth.

I don't think Punjabis are any braver or less brave than anyone else.

pakwatan sahib,,and others
i am honest and realistic person.I hate ,,munafeqath,,
You can,nt compare ordinary punjabis with the persainised and brainwashed pashtun of afghanistan.
When we go to our motherland/afg our own pashtun check our visa and give us hard time and call us pakistani.They take side with tajiks against us.They hate anything to do with pashtuns of pashtunkhwa.They will hate you more if you say something against farsi.They also do,nt like someone asking them to support pashtu .They can be your freind if you love farsi and farsiwans.The only time they call us brother when someone forced them out of their country and they run to us.Then they become our brother.They eat and **** in our land and when they go abroad or to afganistan then they abuse us.They are living freely in pashtunkhwa,runinig businesses and go to unis etc.No one asking them for visa etc but if we cross into their land they search us and hate us more then they hate you punjabis.We love afghanistan and pashtun there and they hate us.
They sold their gerat and land to britishes and to punjabis and blaming us for this mess.
I always pray if oneday i find kaabalay say such bs on my face .I will cut his tongue and burried him alive.
Now
Punjabis in general respect pashtuns.They are welcoming people and not abusive to pashtunkhwa pashtuns.
I know some pashtuns even commited crimes in punjab like kidnaping etc but again i have never seen them hating pashtuns.
Two Pashtuns will be talking eachother in pashtu in the presence of many punjabis.The punjabis will listen and would like to know the pashtu words so the ordinary punjabis are far better then our blood brother accross the border in afghanistan.In afghanistan if a cat from tajik house pass near the house of pashtun they will start in frasi.This is how they live like slaves there.
I have,nt been to all parts of punjab .But have been to Pindi area many time and i never notice anything against pashtuns or pashtu.
I was once surprised that some of them in pindi understand pashtu.
pashtuns are freely runing businesis in punjab and dominate their markets but no one abused them or hated them.

HERE in this forum some begerat calling punjabi women bad names .I just want to remind them that many punjabis are strict muslims and their women do parda more then afghanis.Yes, there are bad one too but thats the case with others too.
Are not afghani women wear mini skirts ?

was sibra ahamdzai a pashtana fall in love with hindoe and married him not afghani?
was she from pashtunkhwa?

I challenge anyone here to come up and prove me wrong?

Lets be realistic and do,nt blame each and everything on others.


Now why i oppose pakistan and some reality check on afghan policy?

Whoever created pakistan and for what thats another story and you all know.Pakistan was created by britishes with help of urdu speaking muslims and bangalis.Most punjabis lived under the rule of punjabi jagerdar or lords that time.Few leaders like rahmat ali was from punjab.THE REST WERE all urdu speaking indains.
1-first of all pashtun did,nt get a chance to vote for their beloved pashtunistan in the refrendum of 1946 so great bacha khan baba and pashtuns boycotted the election.So i oppose pakistan.
Pashtunkhwa wa Baluchistan were not part of india so it was wrong decission by The britishes to emerge us it with pakistan.
Those who are crying on the net like old women for loy afghanistan did,nt fire a single shot in 1947 for pashtun unity.
Pakistan was in much weaker position that time but they turned blind eye on us and left us with no choice.They refuse to recognise pakistan in the UN in 1947 but later fully recognise the state of pakistan.
kING zahir shah ,s casun even married the father of Mir afzal khan of mardan.Mir afzal khan was pashtun and his family was belong to pakistan muslim league and played active role in pml that time.
Zari sarfaraz sister of mir afzal khan was the leader of pml women wing .
So zahir shah ,s friendship and love for pakistan was well known.Today Abas sarfaraz khan of mardan who is the nephew of mir afzal is married to the famous political Gilani family of afghanistan.Abbas sarfaraz khan is belong to pml and anti-pashtun nationalism.
So this is some reality of afghani brotherhood.

2-
The Britishes after creating pakistan become more freindly to punjabis cus punjabis serve in british army and they were good in services.
So they formed military establishment dominated by punjabis.
this establishment control by them, the poor punjabis did,nt know anything about that but the chaudris and rich class got control over pakistan.They refuse to recognise Mujeeb as a Pm who was bangali and won the election
They Bangalis opposed this kind of discrimination and finally they said goodbye to pakistan.
At the sametime pakistani establishment refuse to recognise the rights of other ethnicities.
So jinah sahib ,s pakistan was divided.

After that there was no need for fedration of pakistan cus the country was ruled and control by one ethnic group ,punjabis.
In any fedration all ethnic group control their sources and enjoy equal rights and that was not the case in pakistan ,so i oppose pakistan.

3-
After the country split the pakistani establishment did,nt learn anything and continue the discrimination against pashtuns,baluch and others.
For 60years they opposed the renaming of pashtunkhwa but finally they had no choice but renamed it.
The sources of pashtun and baluchs are in the control of punjabi establishment.The baluchis and pashtuns not getting their shares.
The electricity,gas and so on are control by the establishment.

so,i oppose pakistan

4-
Our leader mahmood khan achakzai demanded the greater pashtunkhwa from chetral to bolan with full rights over its sources,no one oppose it except punjabi establishement.
He did,nt call for the division of pakistan but again punjabi are scared to this demand.
so the example of hatered towards pashtun is clear.



I as a patriotic pashtun and son of this great pakhtunkhwa watan i will live and die by pashtunistan.I will never fall to pakistani propaganda of islamism.
My view for azad pakhtunistan watan will never changed untill the last movement.
I want my own identity and my own pashtu language as a national language of my azad watan pakhtunkhwa.
I do,nt want my pashtuns to go for another conflict with parsibans for the rights of pashtu .We do not want others look down up on our culture and language.
Pashtuns must not fall into the propaganda of pakistani and afghanis.
They are not honest with us and our language and people.They are selfish and wants to use us.
We need to support pashtunism and gran azad watan pukhtunkhwa.
Like Baluchis pashtuns will go for their own watan.
khudi pa aman
tal de wey pakhtunistan
tal de wey pakhtu jaba aw pukhtana


death to the enemy of pashtunistan
death to the enemy of pashtu