Education Key to Progress

[Aria2013]

Education is the key to progress in Afghanistan and there is no doubt that progress in education has been made in the past decade since the fall of the Taliban when student enrollment was estimated at 43 percent for boys and only 3 percent for girls. Today more than 4000 schools have been built by the Afghan government and donors with approximately six million students receiving an education, more than 175,000 new teachers recruited and trained, enrollment rates for school aged children increased by nearly 50 percent, and according to a 2010 national survey by the Asia Foundation, 85 percent of Afghans rate the government’s efforts in the education sector as good or very good.

Afghanistan has one of the youngest populations in the world and clearly educating the youth of Afghanistan is imperative for economic growth and maintaining stability. Do you think there are any obstacles that could stand in the way of the progress made thus far and ensuring that Afghanistan will have a new generation of educated individuals?

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[$hiva]

anyone who thinks education is getting a degree or a diploma is a complete idiot

getting a degree or diploma basically means you have been trained, just like a dog is trained to sniff drugs in an airport or a pigeon is trained to return to its coop wherever its released.

true education is the realization that knowledge is ignorance.

the most traditionally educated person is the most stupid because a truly intelligent person will never put up with what goes for education in today's education system, in the east or in the west.

lets take the example of the most educated moron among ourselves? whats the use of a M.D. if you have your head up your ars?

and this brings me to the issue of education for women. the most intelligent, i'd say super intelligent afghan women that i know are all not even high school graduates. similarly the dumbest and most stupidest afghan women that i know are the most highly educated ones



intelligence and education are mutually exclusive. true intelligence comes about from insight not training.

[Aria2013]

anyone who thinks education is getting a degree or a diploma is a complete idiot

getting a degree or diploma basically means you have been trained, just like a dog is trained to sniff drugs in an airport or a pigeon is trained to return to its coop wherever its released.

true education is the realization that knowledge is ignorance.

the most traditionally educated person is the most stupid because a truly intelligent person will never put up with what goes for education in today's education system, in the east or in the west.

lets take the example of the most educated moron among ourselves? whats the use of a M.D. if you have your head up your ars?

and this brings me to the issue of education for women. the most intelligent, i'd say super intelligent afghan women that i know are all not even high school graduates. similarly the dumbest and most stupidest afghan women that i know are the most highly educated ones



intelligence and education are mutually exclusive. true intelligence comes about from insight not training.

Really! Oh wow!

[$hiva]

Really! Oh wow!

think of it this way, would an intelligent being allow itself to be "trained"?

[Aria2013]

anyone who thinks education is getting a degree or a diploma is a complete idiot

getting a degree or diploma basically means you have been trained, just like a dog is trained to sniff drugs in an airport or a pigeon is trained to return to its coop wherever its released.

true education is the realization that knowledge is ignorance.

the most traditionally educated person is the most stupid because a truly intelligent person will never put up with what goes for education in today's education system, in the east or in the west.

lets take the example of the most educated moron among ourselves? whats the use of a M.D. if you have your head up your ars?

and this brings me to the issue of education for women. the most intelligent, i'd say super intelligent afghan women that i know are all not even high school graduates. similarly the dumbest and most stupidest afghan women that i know are the most highly educated ones



intelligence and education are mutually exclusive. true intelligence comes about from insight not training.

So, let me make sure I understand what you are saying. According to you, Shiva, girls in Afghanistan should not go to school at all because it makes them "dumb", right? And, a society does not need educated individuals because "knowledge is ignorance" right? So, in other words education should be abolished according to you. Let me ask you then, how do you think a society can progress and advance, to be specific, how can Afghanistan move forward into the next decade and beyond if it can't produce scientists, doctors, engineers,teachers and professors, writers, leaders, etc etc...which all require education and training.

aria2013

[$hiva]

So, let me make sure I understand what you are saying. According to you, Shiva, girls in Afghanistan should not go to school at all because it makes them dumb, right? And, a society does not need educated individuals because knowledge is ignorance right? So, in other words education should be abolished according to you. Let me ask you then, how do you think a society can progress and advance, to be specific, how can Afghanistan move forward into the next decade and beyond if it can't produce scientists, doctors, engineers,teachers and professors, writers, leaders, etc etc...which all require education and training.

aria2013

when we say education for girls what do we actually mean? literacy? job training? life training?



literacy is not education and everyone has the right to literacy which is the responsibility of parents. only if parents are illiterate then the gov should provide basic literacy classes for children

after that there should be job training, not education. simply job training where people should learn how to do a job, that is it.



education, in the true sense of the word is the responsibility of the individual.

[badmash_khel]

Agree with $shiva.

Good points, we need a more wholistic approach to education. We are not Robots, we are human beings.

Education only for material progress and serving the interests of corporation is the hallmark of modern education systems.

This is the result of degradation of human beings into mere animals and robots who are to be treated as slaves to serve the interests of the Ellites. The education system instead of liberating people inslaves them and controls their minds. An enslaved mind is easy to control to serve your interests.

The lack of spirituality in the west has seen people turn to eastern religions like budhism, Taosim etc because the most important form of knowledge is the knowledge of the self which leads to wisdom and liberation and peace and justice.

[$hiva]

speaking of spirituality or whatever it means, i mean it is the height of lunacy for people to think they can learn to be spiritual.

there is no difference between a taliban run madarasa and a so called spirituality camp run by some guru in india. its the same crap in different forms. i mean deepak chopra and bin laden and richard dawkins are the same type of person. they all want or wanted to force their ideas on to others - educate people.

[HalloIsBack]

So, let me make sure I understand what you are saying. According to you, Shiva, girls in Afghanistan should not go to school at all because it makes them "dumb", right? And, a society does not need educated individuals because "knowledge is ignorance" right? So, in other words education should be abolished according to you. Let me ask you then, how do you think a society can progress and advance, to be specific, how can Afghanistan move forward into the next decade and beyond if it can't produce scientists, doctors, engineers,teachers and professors, writers, leaders, etc etc...which all require education and training.

aria2013

you ignorant stupid bitch stop to twist every word because we don't follow your agenda

[badmash_khel]

speaking of spirituality or whatever it means, i mean it is the height of lunacy for people to think they can learn to be spiritual.

How do you define spirituality? To be being spiritual means to recognize there is more to us than meets the eye. That we are not just animals or robots who need food, shelter, reproduction etc.

I think you can not give somebody you wisdom or your personal experience but you can help them identify the obstacles in their path to acheiving wisdom.

[$hiva]

How do you define spirituality? To be being spiritual means to recognize there is more to us than meets the eye. That we are not just animals or robots who need food, shelter, reproduction etc.

I think you can not give somebody you wisdom or your personal experience but you can help them identify the obstacles in their path to acheiving wisdom.

there is no such a thing as spirituality. its just a silly word for what cannot be explained, like happiness, like love, like god etc... how could we with our little egos "know" what is spirituality or god or happiness?

isn't it the height of delusional conceit to think we could know what is spirituality which basically means knowing what is god

god spoke to Jesus and Mohammad and all those other prophets. really? are we people even aware of how self-conceited and stupid we actually are?



here is a simple rule, anything that can be learned or is learned is not spirituality.

[Aria2013]

Agree with $shiva.

Good points, we need a more wholistic approach to education. We are not Robots, we are human beings.

Education only for material progress and serving the interests of corporation is the hallmark of modern education systems.

This is the result of degradation of human beings into mere animals and robots who are to be treated as slaves to serve the interests of the Ellites. The education system instead of liberating people inslaves them and controls their minds. An enslaved mind is easy to control to serve your interests.

The lack of spirituality in the west has seen people turn to eastern religions like budhism, Taosim etc because the most important form of knowledge is the knowledge of the self which leads to wisdom and liberation and peace and justice.

I think you guys are missing the point here. You are discrediting the very education that I assume you have received (and I talk about in my post) which is giving you the opportunity and ability to write and have this discourse with me here. Furthermore, an educated mind can make its own choices and be less susceptible to coercion and intimidation. An educated mind or person will know what is right or wrong, making choices accordingly and within the framework of their cultural and religious backgrounds. This has nothing to do with the West or serving the interests of the elite. Education does not "enslave" people as you have put it. On the contrary, it is the darkness of ignorance that enslaves the mind and education is what leads to wisdom, peace, and justice.

aria2013

[badmash_khel]

there is no such a thing as spirituality. its just a silly word for what cannot be explained, like happiness, like love, like god etc... how could we with our little egos "know" what is spirituality or god or happiness?

isn't it the height of delusional conceit to think we could know what is spirituality which basically means knowing what is god

god spoke to Jesus and Mohammad and all those other prophets. really? are we people even aware of how self-conceited and stupid we actually are?



here is a simple rule, anything that can be learned or is learned is not spirituality.

We can not know God unless he reveals himself to us. So one can not know God unless he reveals himself to his chosen ones. God by his mercy, love and grace reveals himself to those whom he wills.

I agree on the point that anything that can be defined can not God, eternal etc because defining something puts limitation on things, and since God is unlimited he can't be defined. That's why the Quran says "the eye can see him nor mind can comprehend him".

The reason Mohammad (saw), Jesus (as) knew God was because they didn't have egos. The were in total submission to God. If we have "little" egos then certainly we can not know God.

[$hiva]

I think you guys are missing the point here. You are discrediting the very education that I assume you have received (and I talk about in my post) which is giving you the opportunity and ability to write and have this discourse with me here. Furthermore, an educated mind can make its own choices and be less susceptible to coercion and intimidation. An educated mind or person will know what is right or wrong, making choices accordingly and within the framework of their cultural and religious backgrounds. This has nothing to do with the West or serving the interests of the elite. Education does not "enslave" people as you have put it. On the contrary, it is the darkness of ignorance that enslaves the mind and education is what leads to wisdom, peace, and justice.

aria2013

you're basically asking me "how do i know what i'm discussing here"? right?

think of it this way what if what i know is known by everyone, including you. in fact that formal education has blinded you to what you actually know.

if that does not make sense then ponder over it and it will make sense.

simply, if you already didn't knew what i know and what i'm discussing here, you would have never understood what i posted.

[$hiva]

We can not know God unless he reveals himself to us. So one can not know God unless he reveals himself to his chosen ones. God by his mercy, love and grace reveals himself to those whom he wills.

I agree on the point that anything that can be defined can not God, eternal etc because defining something puts limitation on things, and since God is unlimited he can't be defined. That's why the Quran says "the eye can see him nor mind can comprehend him".

The reason Mohammad (saw), Jesus (as) knew God was because they didn't have egos. The were in total submission to God. If we have "little" egos then certainly we can not know God.

reveal is word for the physical world. you reveal something that has physical properties. is god something physical?

you know the only lesson from the story of moses is when moses asks god to "reveal" itself to him and then his almost blinded.

trying to "know" what god is the utmost act of disrespect in human terms.

all monotheistic religions including Islam are acts of disrespect to human mind. all ideologies are acts of disrespect and mental violence against people, that is why all violence stems from ideologies.