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Notice to all concerned Muslims & Non-Muslims on this forum
Should we support the Talibans ?
First, I would like to point out that before arguing we have to define the words we are using.
This is extremely important as Words Kill.
Ever since I became interested into Newspeak, which is spreading more and more, for example the word "antisemitic" carries several meanings : this word is used to describe several concepts in a single word, it is a reduction of language, thus a reduction of the field of thoughts.
Ideally, there should be one word for every single idea in the world (Tractatus Philosophicus Ludwig Wittgenstein) : being antisemitic is different from being against Zionism which is different from being intolerant, which is different from believing in the inferiority of the Jewish ethnic group, which is different from having doubts about the of the Holocaust.
But people use this same word "racist" and "antisemitic" to describe all these people who have completely different beliefs and who should not be labelled with the same word.
It is a propaganda tool to essentialize the opponents into a single distinguished group.
Some are labelled as "antisemitic" just because they they disagree with the Israeli treatment of Palestinians or because they dare questionning the authenticity of the Holocaust, this is how far the original meaning of the word "antisemitic" went.
So to come back to the question : what do you mean by "Talibans" ?
Taliban is a word to describe completely different things. People use the same word but is has completely different meanings depending on what you're talking about.
Are you talking about Mullah Omar or are you talking about the Shepherd who lost his child in a drone attack and decided to take up the arms to avenge his relative ?
Are you talking about Gulbuddin Hekmatyar or are you talking about the Afghan Patriot who is blindly fighting alongside his countrymen, no matter if they are right or wrong, just like Americans do ?
Are you talking about the way those who were in power treated Sufis and Shias or about how they erradicated the heroin production ?
Should we support the Talibans ?
As a group, NO. As individuals, YES and NO.
As a group, NO. For several reasons, an islamic and sufficient one being that they listen to Mullahs who enjoin things that contradict the Sharia of Allah Most High. (example : promoting and condoning suicide bombings, persecuting other muslim/non-muslim sects, also where do they get their money from ?)
We should not support Talibans and we should not support any so-called "Islamic group" in the world, we should rather wait for Jesus to come back.
But there are so many things that have nothing to do with Islam or Talibans that are mixed in the propaganda against them.
For example, the way Pashtuns treat their women comes from Pashtunwali, not from Talibans or Islam.
I am not saying Pashtun women are treated badly or not, this is not my business.
What I am saying is that how they are treated is irrelevant since it existed among Pashtuns way before the creation of Talibans.
As individuals, YES and NO. No one knows the real intentions of someone who took up the arms to fight against Americans.
So I am not the one who will wish death upon him. So it really depends on the individual.
Should we support NATO ?
No. For the simple and good reason that they are godless imperialistic zionist mercenaries fighting for Satan.
Should we spend our time on this forum posting articles about women rights in Afghanistan ?
No because the #1 reason why people in the west support the war is because of "women rights".
Of course there is a problem with how women are treated in AFPAK. Who agrees with acid attacks ? No one except mentally sick people.
It is a good cause and the majority of people are naturally sympathetic to this cause.
However, besides being a good cause, you have to remember that it is also the #1 justification for the war in the public's eyes so if you keep saying that Pashtun women are treated badly and never say that western women are treated badly too, you are undirectly killing the men who are treating them badly.
Which makes you no better if worse than them.
Women did not have the right to study and to work in the middle ages.
Do Pashtuns deserve to die because they still want to live in the middle ages ?
Do you believe they are savages and need to be forcefully civilized or killed ?
Should we do the same thing to Amish people ?
Should we support ANA ?
No because they are fighting (alongside non-believers who are themselves fighting) for Satan.
I am praying for the day when SiiNii will repent for the Evil he has done and publicly condemn the crimes made by his country and for the day when Yasmeenaah will repent for posting western propaganda and for the day when Faye will repent for endlessly trolling this forum.
Thank you et au revoir.
First, I would like to point out that before arguing we have to define the words we are using.
This is extremely important as Words Kill.
Ever since I became interested into Newspeak, which is spreading more and more, for example the word "antisemitic" carries several meanings : this word is used to describe several concepts in a single word, it is a reduction of language, thus a reduction of the field of thoughts.
Ideally, there should be one word for every single idea in the world (Tractatus Philosophicus Ludwig Wittgenstein) : being antisemitic is different from being against Zionism which is different from being intolerant, which is different from believing in the inferiority of the Jewish ethnic group, which is different from having doubts about the of the Holocaust.
But people use this same word "racist" and "antisemitic" to describe all these people who have completely different beliefs and who should not be labelled with the same word.
It is a propaganda tool to essentialize the opponents into a single distinguished group.
Some are labelled as "antisemitic" just because they they disagree with the Israeli treatment of Palestinians or because they dare questionning the authenticity of the Holocaust, this is how far the original meaning of the word "antisemitic" went.
So to come back to the question : what do you mean by "Talibans" ?
Taliban is a word to describe completely different things. People use the same word but is has completely different meanings depending on what you're talking about.
Are you talking about Mullah Omar or are you talking about the Shepherd who lost his child in a drone attack and decided to take up the arms to avenge his relative ?
Are you talking about Gulbuddin Hekmatyar or are you talking about the Afghan Patriot who is blindly fighting alongside his countrymen, no matter if they are right or wrong, just like Americans do ?
Are you talking about the way those who were in power treated Sufis and Shias or about how they erradicated the heroin production ?
Should we support the Talibans ?
As a group, NO. As individuals, YES and NO.
As a group, NO. For several reasons, an islamic and sufficient one being that they listen to Mullahs who enjoin things that contradict the Sharia of Allah Most High. (example : promoting and condoning suicide bombings, persecuting other muslim/non-muslim sects, also where do they get their money from ?)
We should not support Talibans and we should not support any so-called "Islamic group" in the world, we should rather wait for Jesus to come back.
But there are so many things that have nothing to do with Islam or Talibans that are mixed in the propaganda against them.
For example, the way Pashtuns treat their women comes from Pashtunwali, not from Talibans or Islam.
I am not saying Pashtun women are treated badly or not, this is not my business.
What I am saying is that how they are treated is irrelevant since it existed among Pashtuns way before the creation of Talibans.
As individuals, YES and NO. No one knows the real intentions of someone who took up the arms to fight against Americans.
So I am not the one who will wish death upon him. So it really depends on the individual.
Should we support NATO ?
No. For the simple and good reason that they are godless imperialistic zionist mercenaries fighting for Satan.
Should we spend our time on this forum posting articles about women rights in Afghanistan ?
No because the #1 reason why people in the west support the war is because of "women rights".
Of course there is a problem with how women are treated in AFPAK. Who agrees with acid attacks ? No one except mentally sick people.
It is a good cause and the majority of people are naturally sympathetic to this cause.
However, besides being a good cause, you have to remember that it is also the #1 justification for the war in the public's eyes so if you keep saying that Pashtun women are treated badly and never say that western women are treated badly too, you are undirectly killing the men who are treating them badly.
Which makes you no better if worse than them.
Women did not have the right to study and to work in the middle ages.
Do Pashtuns deserve to die because they still want to live in the middle ages ?
Do you believe they are savages and need to be forcefully civilized or killed ?
Should we do the same thing to Amish people ?
Should we support ANA ?
No because they are fighting (alongside non-believers who are themselves fighting) for Satan.
I am praying for the day when SiiNii will repent for the Evil he has done and publicly condemn the crimes made by his country and for the day when Yasmeenaah will repent for posting western propaganda and for the day when Faye will repent for endlessly trolling this forum.
Thank you et au revoir.
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