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  • #16
    Originally posted by Manzareh View Post
    Despite the poor lifestyles a couple of hundred years ago there weren’t deceases such as AIDS/HIV, Diabetes, certain cancer forms and general illnesses as we have in this day and age. the human race has been around for millions of years how did all these illnesses just pop up in recent history? Were they created on purpose or what?
    Manzerah, when I was a youth in medical school, I had the honor to see Dr. Anthony Fauci speak about the AIDs epidemic in Washington.

    This is an old but pertinent article about its origins and a nice history of its genesis in the middle of the last century and Fauci is a contributer as an interviewee:
    http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9802/03/earliest.aids/

    "Scientists have yet to learn how HIV first infected humans. Many viruses come from animals, and HIV is believed to have come from monkeys -- but it is not clear how."

    As society develops, different diseases come to the fore. For instance, the epidemiology (statistics/study etc) of disease in the early 1900s showed that infectious diseases like pneumonia were the number one killers of American patients.

    With the spread of industrialization and resources - that shifted to heart disease and many diseases of advanced age as we began to live longer.

    Diabetes has been around for quiet some time, but its growth into an epidemic in industrious and developed nations is in part associated with the shift in diet toward fatty and carbohydrate based foods inducing some element of insulin resistance. There are however different types of diabetes, one of which blossoms at an early age and has more to do with genetics and an acute viral illness.

    One evidence for the above is found here:

    http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2...barbara-linder

    "More than a decade ago, pediatricians across the country began seeing an alarming increase in children with type 2 diabetes, particularly among minorities and youngsters from low-income families."

    In developed nations, lower income youngsters tend to have access to carbohydrate and sugar rich food. Central obesity predisposes to insuline resistance and the latter is also a manifestation of the former.

    Another example is heart disease in the developing Arab nations. What we have noted is that the sudden economic boom has introduced Western diet to a populace that is not suited to deal with it. This has resulted in a spike in heart disease and heart attack, making it so that American heart doctors are setting up centers to study this phenomena.

    As a side note, this might hammer home the point I have been making about interventionalism - what happens when nations do not have a healthy independent development is that they are prone to excesses on the societal and personal level (hence the Makkah Starbucks and KFC). usually these dictators and monarchs are not of sound mind and are prone to dramatic excesses - its sort of like giving a teenager a super fancy car and a billion dollar salary without him having gone to through the hardships and difficulties of earning his keep. Here therefore does not understand moderation in all things.
    Last edited by BarakzaiAbdali; 02-25-2013, 05:58 PM.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Manzareh View Post
      Despite the poor lifestyles a couple of hundred years ago there weren’t deceases such as AIDS/HIV, Diabetes, certain cancer forms and general illnesses as we have in this day and age. the human race has been around for millions of years how did all these illnesses just pop up in recent history? Were they created on purpose or what?
      let me clear it up.

      1. AIDS/HIV is sexually and blood transmitted. In the modern age, sex outside or before marriage is frequent, so cultures that don't value chastity (except in marriage) are prone to have AIDS/HIV. In Africa, cultures tend to have numerous sexual partners, so popping in the virus would be disaster, however in Pashtoon society, AIDS/HIV wouldn't go too because if Pashtuns are caught in doing sex before marriage, they'd be executed before getting aids.

      The promiscuous sex revolution in America was ended by the breakout of STD's. I am muslim, i don't do same-sex intercourse or sex before marriage, so i have no concern for HIV/AIDS.

      Drugs are also another thing that spreads aids, like injecting dirty needles. We know for one fact that people injecting drugs is on the increase, if they got needle drugs from someone who did alot of pre-marital sex.

      2. Type 1 Diabetes is like genetic or hereditary and occurs on young people, so right off the bat, it's out of the question. In the muslim world, there's alot of cousin marriage, so reccessive genes could pop easily, but not too sure.

      Type 2 Diabetes is a malleable or stressed condition which is not genetic, but rather like obesity, so it can be curbed. In modern societies, people may be sedentary which may cause physical unfitness which then leads to diabetes.

      3. Cancer itself seems to be malleable, i think they're just benign tumors people get most of their life, but they go malignant. Cancer to me seems like tumors or neoplasm. They can occur in any part of the body, but certain really fleshy parts of the body get cancer more frequently. Radiation or toxicity causes cancer likely, in modern society, we have lots of waves in the urban cities.

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      • #18
        Interesting reads there Barakzai, both my parents have diabetes so i gotsa be extra careful with what i eat.
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        like I said, there was only one reason I pretended to be pathan, for a girl, who was from Afghan forums and also registered here

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Manzareh View Post
          Despite the poor lifestyles a couple of hundred years ago there weren’t deceases such as AIDS/HIV, Diabetes, certain cancer forms and general illnesses as we have in this day and age. the human race has been around for millions of years how did all these illnesses just pop up in recent history? Were they created on purpose or what?
          many of these diseases did exist before but they without modern endoscopic medicine were not able to be diagnosed

          many of these diseases are a consequence of Modern instruments which create new environmental stressors such as increased radiation, processed diets and such.

          many of these diseases are a consequence of increased longevity; because people live longer the cells have longer time to start becoming malfunctional and thus new ailments arise due to the fact that people are reaching old age.

          many of these diseases are the consequence of modern lifestyle, we're sedentary, Steroid monkeys pumping artificial growth hormone in their bodies for more muscle mass, hormone treated "Halal" meat *which is a paradox. Factory farming, sedentary lifestyle. Lack of beneficial plant foods which used to be the staple of most peoples diets.
          [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

          2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Aryan Sakazai View Post
            let me clear it up.

            1. AIDS/HIV is sexually and blood transmitted. In the modern age, sex outside or before marriage is frequent, so cultures that don't value chastity (except in marriage) are prone to have AIDS/HIV. In Africa, cultures tend to have numerous sexual partners, so popping in the virus would be disaster, however in Pashtoon society, AIDS/HIV wouldn't go too because if Pashtuns are caught in doing sex before marriage, they'd be executed before getting aids.

            The promiscuous sex revolution in America was ended by the breakout of STD's. I am muslim, i don't do same-sex intercourse or sex before marriage, so i have no concern for HIV/AIDS.

            Drugs are also another thing that spreads aids, like injecting dirty needles. We know for one fact that people injecting drugs is on the increase, if they got needle drugs from someone who did alot of pre-marital sex.

            2. Type 1 Diabetes is like genetic or hereditary and occurs on young people, so right off the bat, it's out of the question. In the muslim world, there's alot of cousin marriage, so reccessive genes could pop easily, but not too sure.

            Type 2 Diabetes is a malleable or stressed condition which is not genetic, but rather like obesity, so it can be curbed. In modern societies, people may be sedentary which may cause physical unfitness which then leads to diabetes.

            3. Cancer itself seems to be malleable, i think they're just benign tumors people get most of their life, but they go malignant. Cancer to me seems like tumors or neoplasm. They can occur in any part of the body, but certain really fleshy parts of the body get cancer more frequently. Radiation or toxicity causes cancer likely, in modern society, we have lots of waves in the urban cities.

            Your ignorance and lack of sound information on this subject is astounding.

            [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

            2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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