Experiences with racism?

[khushal]

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Thats not racist, I have see black cab drivers not stop for black people when they wave for a cab. Cab drivers tell me that they have a hard time getting money from black customers.

[Toramana]

Discrimination that has affected me very much was when in high school in pekhawar, this one Pakhtun teacher, an ex spy for Pakistani gov, used to hate Afghans and he'd give us this disgusted look and would say "taso sara kho bus Daud khe pohedo, che bus har sok ye edamawal". By Daud he meant Sardar Mohammad Daud Khan.

Then later going in to College, in Islamia College every single person would call me "Majira" or "Gilamjama". They knew I was not one of them because Afghans get their admission 1 month late. I don't recall any memory where my classmates would have called me by my name. Our physics class teacher would always point at me and say "Aleka kabaliya te waya". I remember their faces like all this happened to me yesterday and is still happening to me. That is why after spending most of my life in pekhawar (over 20 years), I would hate to live there again.

I'm facing similar discriminatory remarks and behaviour again here in UAE, mostly from Muslim Pakistanis and Muslim UAE locals. Indians however are very diverse, open minded and cool people. Labourers and workers on the streets of UAE, is a different story. Everyone asks you for your nationality here.

I think the understanding of racism in Canada and Pakistan or UAE is different. Back in Canada it's a lot more sensitive and it's not as aggressive as it is here and sometimes it's wrapped up with love and great etiquette. But in Pakistan and UAE, its very aggressive, life threatening and wrapped up in Islam, as if this treatment that you are receiving is his religious duty and is inevitable.

That is extremely regrettable. And that must be condemned. I think many people that I knew who studied in institutions in Peshawar didn't have such a bad experience. But my knowledge about it may be limited and it might have been more pervasive.

It is unfortunate that Pashtuns still think in tribal terms. I had Marwat and Bannusi (Banuchis) friends who would constantly bad-mouth each others to the extent that it would make me vomit. Marwat would call Banuchis cowards, opportunists, etc. and the same opinion would Bannuchis hold of Marwats. And then you had Khattaks versus Banuchis, Khattaks versus Wazirs, Mahsuds versus Marwats, etc.

The isolation from each other was so much that I remember some years back Wazirs and Yousafzais students of a college of Peshawar fought over some matter. Then, they decided to settle the issue through negotiation. In the meeting, the Wazir and Yousafzai youngsters were asking each others, "what is your riwaj". Ultimately, they discovered, they have the same rewaj. Anyhow, such is the lack of info about each other.

Stereotypes are common in KP e.g., Swatis (mostly Yousafzais) are considered softis and kind of lesser Pashtuns, Bunirian (also Yousafzis) kam-aqal (calling someone Bunairai or kam-aqal Bunairai means that person is stupid), Khattaks don't consider Yousafzais to be good, Yousafzais in turn look at Khattaks with contempt, etc.

The Dir Yousafzai state and Swat Yousafzai states have fought battles/wars in 19th and 20th centuries and the antagonistic feelings towards each other induced by these two sates persist to this day though much much diluted.

But this doesn't mean Pashtuns of various regions have tried to understand each other better and to be linked with each other more strongly. This attitude must change now.

[Toramana]

I think one should be realistic giving opinion on this Pashtun versus that Pashtun issue. Many things should be taken into account for fair opinion; the scale of migration, the burden on resources in the host area, political dimensions of the issue, state propaganda, lack of knowledge about history, etc. should be considered.

Displacement is not simply a matter of relocation. The displaced people make competition for land-access, access to pastures, water, economic opportunity, and other amenities of life etc. tougher for local. True fraternal feelings can play a role but how much. They cannot play a role beyond a certain limit even within a family when it comes to zan, zar, and zamin. As I said, if a million people migrate from Peshawar to Jalalabad, would they find a very welcoming treatment?

There were other problems that compounded the ill-feelings. Our bar brothers were mostly affiliated with religious parties like Jumaath-i-Islam during Jehad days which directly clashed with the nationalistic and democratic sentiments of local Pashtuns. I remember in Peshawar University the fanatic-terrorist student federation Jumiath-i-Tulaba affiliated with Jumaath-i-Islami would try to police student functions, welcome and farewell parties etc. in university and would clash (armed clashes) with other student federations like People Student Federation, Democrataic Student Federation, Pashtun Student Federation over such matters. They will try to dominate student politics in university. Zia regime and military and intelligence agencies supported them in suppressing other students wings. Unfortunately, they would bring our brothers as moral vigilantes and armed fighters to the university.

One other such thing that I remember was a land dispute. In an area, the local Jumaath-i-Islami (of Pakistan) leader (also close to Gulbuddin) established a madrassa on a communal property (locally called "da shamilatu zmaka") and along with that also occupied a large tract of land. The land belonged to the whole community. His intentions obviously were land grabbing. When other people objected to it and would try to recover the land, that Jumaath-i-Islami guy would go to the nearest camp, load fighters with Klashunkov in datsun truck and position them on the land he occupied. This naturally aroused resentment in local people.

I mean what happened is extremely extremely regrettable but a lot of things should be taken into account to understand the problem.

[Admin Khan]

Discrimination that has affected me very much was when in high school in pekhawar, this one Pakhtun teacher, an ex spy for Pakistani gov, used to hate Afghans and he'd give us this disgusted look and would say "taso sara kho bus Daud khe pohedo, che bus har sok ye edamawal". By Daud he meant Sardar Mohammad Daud Khan.

Then later going in to College, in Islamia College every single person would call me "Majira" or "Gilamjama". They knew I was not one of them because Afghans get their admission 1 month late. I don't recall any memory where my classmates would have called me by my name. Our physics class teacher would always point at me and say "Aleka kabaliya te waya". I remember their faces like all this happened to me yesterday and is still happening to me. That is why after spending most of my life in pekhawar (over 20 years), I would hate to live there again.

I'm facing similar discriminatory remarks and behaviour again here in UAE, mostly from Muslim Pakistanis and Muslim UAE locals. Indians however are very diverse, open minded and cool people. Labourers and workers on the streets of UAE, is a different story. Everyone asks you for your nationality here.

I think the understanding of racism in Canada and Pakistan or UAE is different. Back in Canada it's a lot more sensitive and it's not as aggressive as it is here and sometimes it's wrapped up with love and great etiquette. But in Pakistan and UAE, its very aggressive, life threatening and wrapped up in Islam, as if this treatment that you are receiving is his religious duty and is inevitable.

This post gave me a very inexplainable feeling. I apologize on behalf of those racist imbeciles.

[randolph85]

dang, it sounds like you canadians are living in some racial utopia.

[Breshna]

Racism exists...globally.

Sometimes if we are not...racist.

One turns racist...after experiencing racism.

It exists...its a human thing.

[Toramana]

Back to racism issue.

I think we must accept as a harsh fact of life that no matter how civilized a society is, racism or attitude of otherness at some level (a more subtle level) exists at least for the first and second generation immigrants. Until, you are tied to the host society by blood, tradition, culture, region, territory, etc., don't expect you would be accepted and valued as a full-blooded member of the host society.

That is why the more I think the more I believe immigration is not a good choice. Rather, we should try to transform our ancestral societies

(1) through higher economic productivity, political activation, and effective education
(2) through constant effort to develop our human resources
(3) through strong family and social bonds
(4) through democracy, pluralism, and tolerance for diversity
(5) through better resource management
(6) through preservation of environment and nature
(7) by avoiding revolutions of the extreme right (Taleban style etc.) or extreme left (communist style) because such revolutions destablize society, spread violent tendencies, disrupt normal growth and evolution of the society, make the society xenophobic and insulated, and in most of the cases bring huge destruction, etc.
(8) by being diplomatic in international relations and not letting big powers to exploit our land and human resource for their geopolitics.
(9) by having representative constitutions and state structures
(10) by avoiding huge armies and military expenditures
(11) by staying non-aligned in great power politics

Until the third world societies achieve a good level of sophistication in terms of creativity, productivity, statehood, societal management, etc. we wouldn't be considered dignified.

[Talal]

well to be really honest, no one is more openly racist than asians..Every single ethnicity on this continent..we are all racists

[khushal]

(11) by staying non-aligned in great power politics
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Tried it, but didnt work

[R3SISTANC3]

Discrimination that has affected me very much was when in high school in pekhawar, this one Pakhtun teacher, an ex spy for Pakistani gov, used to hate Afghans and he'd give us this disgusted look and would say "taso sara kho bus Daud khe pohedo, che bus har sok ye edamawal". By Daud he meant Sardar Mohammad Daud Khan.

Then later going in to College, in Islamia College every single person would call me "Majira" or "Gilamjama". They knew I was not one of them because Afghans get their admission 1 month late. I don't recall any memory where my classmates would have called me by my name. Our physics class teacher would always point at me and say "Aleka kabaliya te waya". I remember their faces like all this happened to me yesterday and is still happening to me. That is why after spending most of my life in pekhawar (over 20 years), I would hate to live there again.

I'm facing similar discriminatory remarks and behaviour again here in UAE, mostly from Muslim Pakistanis and Muslim UAE locals. Indians however are very diverse, open minded and cool people. Labourers and workers on the streets of UAE, is a different story. Everyone asks you for your nationality here.

I think the understanding of racism in Canada and Pakistan or UAE is different. Back in Canada it's a lot more sensitive and it's not as aggressive as it is here and sometimes it's wrapped up with love and great etiquette. But in Pakistan and UAE, its very aggressive, life threatening and wrapped up in Islam, as if this treatment that you are receiving is his religious duty and is inevitable.

I'm not surprised. My childhood best friend was an Afghan Pashtun, his name was Zubair. I had to save him plenty of times from different people. Some people in kPk treat Afghans as if they are animals. The last time I was there I had to jump and save a few from getting beat for no apparent reason. All because they were refugees so easy targets.

Though Pashtun in kPk discriminate against other Pashtuns. Each tribe considers itself better than the other. Within each tribe different sub-tribes hate each other. There is plenty of clashes and discrimination in schools, bazars, workplaces etc. all the time.

[Aryob]

what was the meaning behind that statement?

That guy hated all Afghans regardless. What he meant by saying that only Daud Khan knew how to handle Afghans is that Afghans should be put in jail and killed. Simple isn't it. But he was associated with an organization that is specialized in destroying Afghanistan, I won't blame all Pashtuns in Pakistan. I enjoyed my time that I lived in Pakhtunkhwa, we didn't receive the same respect as the "locals" but it was better than getting killed by the Russians. I am only comparing the treatment by Pakistanis with Canadians. I wonder why non-Muslim Canada respects and loves the Afghan community in general and the Muslim Pakistan who taught us "Ansar & Mahajir" of Makkah throughout the 10 years of high school, could not practice it. We used to always talk about how the early Muslim converts were treated in Madina and would praise it but didn't know how to not treat the Muslim Afghans. I didn't understand this hypocrisy. But that's what we all do these days, pray 5 times then commit all the sins that we possibly can commit and then look for shortcuts like lailatul-qadr shpa and some duas which will help us "forgive all our previous sins". Anyways I don't wanna go off-topic.

I don't think Afghans will be able to treat Pashtuns from Pakhtunkhwa any good either but personaly for me I don't see any difference between someone from Paktia or Kunduz or Mardan, but I can't stop bad-mouthing Pakistani government or their intelligence agencies or curriculum or the Munafiqeen Political Mullas.

[abassinafghan]

Discrimination that has affected me very much was when in high school in pekhawar, this one Pakhtun teacher, an ex spy for Pakistani gov, used to hate Afghans and he'd give us this disgusted look and would say "taso sara kho bus Daud khe pohedo, che bus har sok ye edamawal". By Daud he meant Sardar Mohammad Daud Khan.

Then later going in to College, in Islamia College every single person would call me "Majira" or "Gilamjama". They knew I was not one of them because Afghans get their admission 1 month late. I don't recall any memory where my classmates would have called me by my name. Our physics class teacher would always point at me and say "Aleka kabaliya te waya". I remember their faces like all this happened to me yesterday and is still happening to me. That is why after spending most of my life in pekhawar (over 20 years), I would hate to live there again.

dont be to upset brother , its over and you never have to see those dirtbags again .

but this is the kismat of people with out a country and a real home . it was taken form us , by criminals , by so called mujahedin , by russians , by americans , by the taliban , and the rest of the world and by the war .


and then such spine and honourless people , who suck paki **** come along and harras people , because the country of islam so much .

and i thought there is no racism and tribalism in islam ,well i guess it must be called the country of kufr .

[Toramana]

That guy hated all Afghans regardless. What he meant by saying that only Daud Khan knew how to handle Afghans is that Afghans should be put in jail and killed. Simple isn't it. But he was associated with an organization that is specialized in destroying Afghanistan, I won't blame all Pashtuns in Pakistan. I enjoyed my time that I lived in Pakhtunkhwa, we didn't receive the same respect as the "locals" but it was better than getting killed by the Russians. I am only comparing the treatment by Pakistanis with Canadians. I wonder why non-Muslim Canada respects and loves the Afghan community in general and the Muslim Pakistan who taught us "Ansar & Mahajir" of Makkah throughout the 10 years of high school, could not practice it. We used to always talk about how the early Muslim converts were treated in Madina and would praise it but didn't know how to not treat the Muslim Afghans. I didn't understand this hypocrisy. But that's what we all do these days, pray 5 times then commit all the sins that we possibly can commit and then look for shortcuts like lailatul-qadr shpa and some duas which will help us "forgive all our previous sins". Anyways I don't wanna go off-topic.

I don't think Afghans will be able to treat Pashtuns from Pakhtunkhwa any good either but personaly for me I don't see any difference between someone from Paktia or Kunduz or Mardan, but I can't stop bad-mouthing Pakistani government or their intelligence agencies or curriculum or the Munafiqeen Political Mullas.

We draw few conclusions from this i.e., everyone and every group of people should try to better his/its lot where he/it is and should counter destabilizing, disrupting trends in society that cause displacement and migrations. Also, fraternal feelings are good but cannot help you beyond certain level. Until you have the citizenship of a state, your position is weak.

Different kind of sentiments can be used for exploitation but one should be on guard for that. Ideologies should not extract sacrifices from selected groups while benefit others. One should exercise one's commitment to an ideology only if it serves the interest of all and it is realized in liter and spirit.

Who was the prof in ICP that did so or which dept he was in?

[Aryob]

We draw few conclusions from this i.e., everyone and every group of people should try to better his/its lot where he/it is and should counter destabilizing, disrupting trends in society that cause displacement and migrations. Also, fraternal feelings are good but cannot help you beyond certain level. Until you have the citizenship of a state, your position is weak.

Different kind of sentiments can be used for exploitation but one should be on guard for that. Ideologies should not extract sacrifices from selected groups while benefit others. One should exercise one's commitment to an ideology only if it serves the interest of all and it is realized in liter and spirit.

Who was the prof in ICP that did so or which dept he was in?

I'm not good with acronyms but if you meant Islamia College by ICP then it was physics department and his name was Sardar Ali. I think he was khattak (no offense to Khattaks). Tak speen kachalo ghwante wa and it was late 90s.