Toramana

[RevolutionThroughReason]

So you want to say we should leave the notable scholars and interpreters of Hadith and Quran and we start following you whose personality is flawed ?
Do you consider above Imam Abu Hanifa, Imam Shafi, Imam malik and so many other scholars ?

truth does not depend on personality, it exists independent of personality; that means even if a criminal says The truth, it is still true. I am not saying that I am better than Imam Abu hanifa; rather I am saying Muhammad(saw) is better than Imam Abu hanifa, Imam Shafi'i or anyone else. It seems you think the opposite since you'd rather go by their words than the words of Muhammad(saw).

[afghan]

Toramana why its so important to you what others think about you? its an online forum where people people judge you from your posts. many havent seen you or met you. what if everybody voted bad or ugly ? what would have you done in this case?

[Toramana]

Toramana why its so important to you what others think about you? its an online forum where people people judge you from your posts. many havent seen you or met you. what if everybody voted bad or ugly ? what would have you done in this case?

Really, Afghan it is not important to me. If all people had voted me bad I wouldn't have been impacted me at all---would just have amused me as it did now (but I value those who voted favorably ---I must be courteous) . I did this just for fun.

[Pisho]

I voted god because when i joined the next day u changed ur avatar to a kitty so i thought u might have done so i can fit in

[Toramana]

I voted god because when i joined the next day u changed ur avatar to a kitty so i thought u might have done so i can fit in

hahaha---that was one of the reasons I would say---really

[Manzareh]

Toramana has been critical Muslims and rightfully so, Muslims of today think Islam is something TOTALLY opposite of what it actually teaches. I also used to think Toramana was anti Islam too; but then I stopped and thought about what he was saying and how it compared to what islam really teaches. he wasn't criticizing Islam but rather how Pakistani culture portrays and represents Islam.

Perfect example, even after I showed you EVIDENCE from the HADITH itself you still went ahead and stubbornly held on to your shallow and ignorant beliefs despite the fact you no longer had ANY Islamic Basis for them; you kept on with them despite the fact you saw the evidence of why they were wrong, and you kept looking for some absurd excuse to make the evidence seem like its isaying something contrary to what it was saying.

If anyone is an enemy of Islam it's people who do stuff like what you do, try to make ignorant and backwards ideas seem like they belong to our deen.

Your still saying the same BS, well let me tell you once more so pay attention: YOU quoting a Hadith and giving your own interpretation is NOT classed as evidence, got that?

enemy of Islam? An enemy of Islam is one that hunts for sex online at the same time says ridiculous statements like Music is halal, Muhammad SAW used to intentionally watch dancing women, theres no problem in Islam about etc etc. You want to talk about Islamic basis's and such after all that? and we should follow your opinionated versions of Islam that coincidentally fit in with your life style? smell the coffee.

[Manzareh]

Hahahaha....It is a surprise that 88% of the voters so far have labelled me a good person...really wasn't expecting that. May be many have done this out of courtesy. Anyhow, thanks a lot for the favorable opinion.

And hahahaha...the negative vote is by Manzrey, Afghanistan2010, etc. But thanks you people as well. Someone should be an object of disliking for someone---So let it may be me for you people.

I posted this thread just for fun---to make members laugh/smile a little bit. There were no narcissistic motives/urges involved.

well then 88% of these people are **** aswel, i dont give a damn even if 100% people view you as a good person, you dont fool me. You make a mockery out of Islam and try to deviate people, you prey on the weak. You have a following here online, but it doesnt mean sh1t, this forum has always been a sanctuary for those who badmouth Islam and clear enemies of Muslims a clear safe house of twisted 'missionary's like you that try to twist and deviate people..no doubt these Admins/mods that allow this to happen will be questioned on Qayamah.. have your sanctuary here and enjoy it because the real world of honorable pashtuns were religion and Islam is seen sensitively is a whole different story and you know it

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Your still saying the same BS, well let me tell you once more so pay attention: YOU quoting a Hadith and giving your own interpretation is NOT classed as evidence, got that?

enemy of Islam? An enemy of Islam is one that hunts for sex online at the same time says ridiculous statements like Music is halal, Muhammad SAW used to intentionally watch dancing women, theres no problem in Islam about etc etc. You want to talk about Islamic basis's and such after all that? and we should follow your opinionated versions of Islam that coincidentally fit in with your life style? smell the coffee.

I gave ABSOLUTELY NO interpretation, I let the text of the hadith speak for itself, it is YOU who tried to give some sort of HYPOTHETICAL back story to explain why Muhammad(saw) allowed women to play music and watched Ethiopians dance and play music. The reason you think its an interpretation is because you're so brainwashed by someone else's interpretation, when the hadith is presented to you in a clear unadulterated form without someone else's jibber jabber added to it, you're natural brainwashed reaction is to believe its a new interpretation and that the one you've been brainwashed with is the actual statement. This is merely an example of your projection


hunts for sex online? any proof? Talk about projecting, Perhaps you think finding women physically attractive is a ploy to hunt for sex because being a Pakistani National; the deprivation leads you to pass comments like the one below with hopes of getting lucky

she is sexy..droool*

Just because you can't deal with a woman without hoping she'll take pity and give you a piece doesn't mean others do the same.So no it's no coincidence; it is merely another example of how you contradict yourself and project your own inner mechanisms on others assuming they work the same way you do.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

well then 88% of these people are **** aswel, i dont give a damn even if 100% people view you as a good person, you dont fool me. You make a mockery out of Islam and try to deviate people, you prey on the weak.

she is sexy..droool*

the problem with people like you is you preach one thing and do the other; that's the worst thing of all.

I don't think Toramana needs to do anything to make you deviate, you're doing it by yourself.

[ډګروال]

well then 88% of these people are **** aswel, i dont give a damn even if 100% people view you as a good person, you dont fool me. You make a mockery out of islam and try to deviate people, you prey on the weak. You have a following here online, but it doesnt mean sh1t, this forum has always been a sanctuary for those who badmouth islam and clear enemies of muslims a clear safe house of twisted 'missionary's like you that try to twist and deviate people..no doubt these admins/mods that allow this to happen will be questioned on qayamah.. Have your sanctuary here and enjoy it because the real world of honorable pashtuns were religion and islam is seen sensitively is a whole different story and you know it

فکر پری مه کوه.
دوی صرف په انټرنټ کښی غاپی.
پښتنو مخ کښی خوله وازه کړې نو غاښونه به یی ډیری شې.
دا د نستوڼې ماران غواړې چی پښتانه د اسلام او مسلمانانو نه جلا کړې.
دوی ناکام او مخ تورې خلک دې چی پښتانه د دنیا په سطح غلط وپیژنې.

په دی روجی مبارکه میاشته کښی ګوره نور هم خپل نفرت نه ډکی اجنډی ته پرمختګ ورکوې.



دا اصلې غوښتنه ده داسی بی غیرته خلکو.

torkham

when your ancestors were worshipping hindu and buddist gods why did they not look at themselves in the mirror and see they are not arabs or people of mohammads linage?

i am a pashtun nationalist, i reject all forms of imperialism including islamic arab bedionism(islam) too.

you think we so called pashtuns are same as arabs or share same lineage besides religion?

I support edl because they oppose pakistani islamists in europe, you know, teh afghanistan 2010 types, maiwand al afghanis, sangar sorts who live in liberal western democracies but preach taliban order to their kin abroad.

Plus torkham, you live in dubai, why do you live in dubai? Are you happy your brothers are spat at, whipped, lashed forced to live in cabins to work as labourers by your arab brothers?

I will join the edl soon, and will protest with tehm against pakistani islamist terrorists, and guess what, i got to know them, and most of them have many ex muslims, non whites, even jews too, i saw black people as well.

Stop using the race card to shield your cult from protests, black, white, brown, yellow all oppose islamic extremism in europe.

Its time for you to get out more and smell the coffee, most racism happens in your beautiful arab muslim nations.

Not europe.

[Manzareh]

the problem with people like you is you preach one thing and do the other; that's the worst thing of all.

I don't think Toramana needs to do anything to make you deviate, you're doing it by yourself.

i said "she is sexy...droool*" to this picture:




clearly sarcasm, after searching through two years of my previous posts is that the best you could do? LOL goes to show your desperation. Thats the problem with incompetant fools liek you, you think you can twist and manipulate things and everybody is stupid enough to believe you.

and about 5 people annihilated you on a thread PROVING your a online fiend searching for sex that got removed because you snitched to mods. "i rated your picture 10 can i get some loving now?? please please can i get some loving im on my knees im begging all i want is some loving" HAHAHA bet you sit in your room all day and play with yourself from a lack of "loving" dont you, poor you. whats your girlfriends name? o yeah PALMela HANDerson

[Manzareh]

I gave ABSOLUTELY NO interpretation, I let the text of the hadith speak for itself.

You put a hadith up and came up with your opinionated conclusion as to what it exactly means and how it cannot mean anything else. in other words your own made up BS unqualified summary.

[Manzareh]

فکر پری مه کوه.
دوی صرف په انټرنټ کښی غاپی.
پښتنو مخ کښی خوله وازه کړې نو غاښونه به یی ډیری شې.
دا د نستوڼې ماران غواړې چی پښتانه د اسلام او مسلمانانو نه جلا کړې.
دوی ناکام او مخ تورې خلک دې چی پښتانه د دنیا په سطح غلط وپیژنې.

په دی روجی مبارکه میاشته کښی ګوره نور هم خپل نفرت نه ډکی اجنډی ته پرمختګ ورکوې.



دا اصلې غوښتنه ده داسی بی غیرته خلکو.

haqiqat khabara de ukral zwaana, internet ke sum narraan dee..sa oowem nu, da khabari pa khkaara kay mod/admin pa mukh kee - zama pa zehn ke na raazi che sanga dasi khebri wardaashkelishee, ma sorch kawo che wali moosalmaano lag dee pa PF, kho wuss pata walagida.

And it has already come down to you in the Book that when you hear the verses of Allah [recited], they are denied [by them] and ridiculed; so do not sit with them until they enter into another conversation. Indeed, you would then be like them. Indeed Allah will gather the hypocrites and disbelievers in Hell all together - (Surah Nisa:140)

[RevolutionThroughReason]

You put a hadith up and came up with your opinionated conclusion as to what it exactly means and how it cannot mean anything else. in other words your own made up BS unqualified summary.

That's a total lie;

The hadith shows two women singing and Prophet(saw) permitted them to do it. That's plainly evident in the text. ANYTHING IS is YOU interpreting it

The B.S. interpretation and faulty conclusions are yours.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

i said "she is sexy...droool*" to this picture:




clearly sarcasm, after searching through two years of my previous posts is that the best you could do?

What can be better? Catching a Preacher in the act of lusting over a disgusting obese woman is as good as it get, especially after all the preaching of Islam you do, Not only do you show us that you have HORRIBLE taste in women, you're sexually deprived and desperate too. You can accuse me of whatever hallucination you'd like but Catching a preacher like you doing something is a MUCH BIGGER PROBLEM at least I openly express my appreciation of the physical appeal of women. You preach against it, but then do it yourself when you think no one notices. You're just like the Christian preachers who get caught with prostitutes. That's right it TOOK YOU 5 people to attack me, and you still couldn't take me down, IT TOOK one of me and I shattered your fake Pious image in just the blink of an eye

Toramana is 100 times better as a Muslim than you, he actually PRACTICES what he preaches. No one trusts a hypocrite.

Word of advice; PREACH LESS< follow what you claim you believe in more you phony.