Why are most (overseas) Iranians secular?

[Nima Khan Abdali]

Nima Khn is the Iranian version of Al-Arab both are ****bags

I respect Iranians like DMXX who can think rationally but Nima makes you guys look bad.

Everytime I promise to myself that I won't speak with you, you just beg for the trouble. Why are you picking on me? I had not even addressed you...."....."

[Nima Khan Abdali]

What facts?

I mean, the discussion going on here on the thread has nothing to do with the identities of the forum members or their numbers.

You may be an Iranian.
You speak Luri or whatever dialect with an Iranian accent.

I get exhausted with the Pashtuns here more than anyone else.

I do not even care about Arabs, Persians or anyone.

I am not Iranian. I sometimes speak Western Persian with the old Southwest dialect, which fall under the Luri dialect continuum. But I heart Iranians!!!! (well, 82% of them, the Aryan ones.)

[Hakim Khan Urgonai]

I mean, the discussion going on here on the thread has nothing to do with the identities of the forum members or their numbers.



I am not Iranian. I sometimes speak Western Persian with the old Southwest dialect, which fall under the Luri dialect continuum. But I heart Iranians!!!! (well, 82% of them, the Aryan ones.)

Ok.

I prefer the 8%.

[Nima Khan Abdali]

See, you are not Pashtun. You are calling Pashtuns "you".
So what are you if not an Iranian or "Dari"?

So ruling people and making them suffer makes you their big brother?
Big brother means one that helps. How have Iranians helped us?

First of all, don't search any enmity in my words to you, there is not any. I feel friendly to you. Really. You say lots of nonsense, but still I feel friendly to you.

Of course, I am not Pashtun. Don't you know yet that my lie about being Pashtun has been revealed?

I am not Pashtun nor Iranian nor Dari. But what am I? Find out yourself. If I say myself, nobody will believe.

Why are you trying to draw yourself away from Pashtuns? In the same Empire, in the satrapy of Arachosia of it, your forefathers have lived. So, they helped you to form like a nation, so that today you can call yourself a Pashtun, even a Paktyan.

Also, my lie about my being Pashtun was a totally innocent lie. I did it so that I could learn Pashto here. I wouldn't be welcome if I told my actual ethnic background.

[DMXX]

@DMXX: Ageh khodet Irani asti (ke, in az javabhayat maloom mishe), chera in ghadr narm javab midi? U khaharkosse ke, tora, kultur-e tora, yek kultur-e bozorg fush karde say mikone. Chera behesh nagofti ke, bere be karesh mashghul bashe, shayad jendeha-ye arabi az donya kamtar mishe? Mege inja to Iran ra nomayandagi bayad nakoni? Albatte, bayad koni!

Man kheili az sohalet nemifahmam; we all have different typing conventions when it comes to Farsi. I'll give a generalised reply below. If there's anything you wish to clarify, please message me.

It is not my responsibility to correct any bigotry towards our people, nor is it my responsibility to dissect emotionally-driven claims, as the ones we've seen in this thread.

Nor am I, as an infrequent poster on this forum, in a position to address the messages of someone whose views I know little about.

My only responsibility as an Iranian is to promote our culture, our values, educate people about us, and finally, respect the memory of our forefathers, who ensured our identity flourished despite adverse conditions.

I also fail to see the point of strawman argumentation. I have better things to do with my time. This is a Pakhtun forum and I am here to learn about our (very distant) cousins.

[Edit]: Shoma Luri hastin? Damet garm, aghaye aziz.

[Nima Khan Abdali]

Man kheili az sohalet nemifahmam; we all have different typing conventions when it comes to Farsi. I'll give a generalised reply below. If there's anything you wish to clarify, please message me.

It is not my responsibility to correct any bigotry towards our people, nor is it my responsibility to dissect emotionally-driven claims, as the ones we've seen in this thread.

Nor am I, as an infrequent poster on this forum, in a position to address the messages of someone whose views I know little about.

My only responsibility as an Iranian is to promote our culture, our values, educate people about us, and finally, respect the memory of our forefathers, who ensured our identity flourished despite adverse conditions.

I also fail to see the point of strawman argumentation. I have better things to do with my time. This is a Pakhtun forum and I am here to learn about our (very distant) cousins.

[Edit]: Shoma Luri hastin? Damet garm, aghaye aziz.

Ageh baraye khaterat-e un "forefathers" ye kuchik "respect" dari, javab bayad bedi!

[Edit]: Nistam, joonam. Raasti, kheili mamnoon shodam inja ye Irani hast. Fekr mikonam, ma inja chizha ra ke dorost nistand mitoonim dorost konim.

[Hakim Khan Urgonai]

First of all, don't search any enmity in my words to you, there is not any. I feel friendly to you. Really. You say lots of nonsense, but still I feel friendly to you.

Me too, you are not a bad troll.

Of course, I am not Pashtun. Don't you know yet that my lie about being Pashtun has been revealed?

I saw that but your username says Abdali, so I was confused.

I am not Pashtun nor Iranian nor Dari. But what am I? Find out yourself. If I say myself, nobody will believe.

Surely you must be from Iran. Don't say you are English, they can't learn other langauges and you speak good Farsi.

Why are you trying to draw yourself away from Pashtuns? In the same Empire, in the satrapy of Arachosia of it, your forefathers have lived. So, they helped you to form like a nation, so that today you can call yourself a Pashtun, even a Paktyan.

I agree with how I interpreted this.

Also, my lie about my being Pashtun was a totally innocent lie. I did it so that I could learn Pashto here. I wouldn't be welcome if I told my actual ethnic background.

Why do you think that? Are you:

a) Jewish from Isreal?

b) American having participated in the Afghan war?

c) Persian Jew?

I am curious now.

[Nima Khan Abdali]

I am curious now.

Wow! I got proud! So, I speak well in Persian? Wow! Thanksgod!

I swear to God, I am not from Iran nor I have Iranian ancestry.

No, I belong to none of the ethnicities you wrote down. You didn't even come close to it.

[Hakim Khan Urgonai]

Wow! I got proud! So, I speak well in Persian? Wow! Thanksgod!

I swear to God, I am not from Iran nor I have Iranian ancestry.

No, I belong to none of the ethnicities you wrote down. You didn't even come close to it.

Yes, you speak well. How did you learn it?

Maybe you are a native European or a Morroccan

[یاسمینه]

@al-arab, I wanted to ask you this question before. Whenever you talk about about Arabs and their heritage, you always pass over in silence (intentionally?) how the Arabs imposed the Islam to Persia. Why? Their methods had nothing to do with the essence of Islam or superiority and wisdom of Babylonians. What they did (apart from imposition of the faith) is co called barbarism - looting and destruction.
You also forget to mention that Persians were officials in the Caliphate, that Persians and Greeks knew foreign languages and were involved in rewritting the Qur'an. In the time of Prophet in Maddinah were only seven people who were able to write and read. Arabs didn't have any respect for such skills and saw them useless. In those days Arabs (most of them) had nothing to do with science. Even famous Arabian horses descendend from Persian horses.
So whenever you mention superiority of your ancestors try to be more objective.

[DMXX]

What does that link proof? Show me where it says that the Horse was developed by Iranians.....

Unless you mean dropped into an ancient test tube then stuck somewhere to incubate for a couple of months, your last sentence is incorrigible.

That link (combined with this one) indicate Iran had its' own native stock of horses which predated the variant found in Central Asia and ancient Iranians independently domesticated it themselves despite their Andronovo-BMAC hybrid ancestors (Aryans) seemingly abandoning any use of the horse (lack of horse remains in post-Andronovo contact BMAC remains despite Andronovo cultural presence). Thus, your point is incorrect on every level.

Do you consider Iranians to be Middle-Eastern, al-arab?

[یاسمینه]

Whenever I meet Iranians and Afghans here during official meetings, usually women from Iranian embassy have always a scarf covering (partially) hair. Women from Afghan embassy - never.

[Admin Khan]

Nima khan, Al arab focus on the thread and stop it. This is a polite warning.

[Admin Khan]

DMXx,
My experience with Iranians is that they feel like Islam has been forced upon them. How true is this amongst the populace? I've also noticed a condescending attitude towards Afghans from them.

[Admin Khan]

Whenever I meet Iranians and Afghans here during official meetings, usually women from Iranian embassy have always a scarf covering (partially) hair. Women from Afghan embassy - never.

Kabul was once known as the Paris of South/Central Asia. The women were very liberal from that region. Most embassies are staffed with Kabulis including the local consulate here. Your spot on.