Random Thoughts part 2 :D

[IamDZJ]

[Haris]

i finished exams about 3 weeks ago mabey a month now, recently been working on the travelling salesman problem (TSP) as a project, its quite an amazing step forward in maths and its applications have been huge man like they range from simple exam timetables to DNA strands etc ofcourse even the fastest computer these days is not able to yet computer values of N larger then 30 without taking considerable amount of time and something past 100 or something 1956 years... crazy we are so advanced yet cant do something this simple yet hmm still its due in tomorrow along with a presentation so once thats done i will be finished for 3 months so bring out the herbs the sun and grldem!

hows things with you?

Sounds interesting even though I didn't get all of it lol. How are you finding the work so far, is it manageable or easy? and you gonna move into a flat or something in your second year, I think I remember you saying something like that?
Good luck on the presentation



Me, i'm gonna be pretty busy myself, I already work with my parents, have an essay to write, gonna look for a job to get some relevant work experience, moving house, will get my driver's licence, might visit Turkey and go back to Afghanistan for a few weeks or more to visit family and do some volunteering with my uncle there among other stuff.....and to top it all off, I decided to eat healthy lol, no more kebabs or pizza etc :|


But yeah, it's all good here.

[Breshna]

Mashallah sight is good...today,

my laptop is not slowing...down.

[Kurmewal]

haris something is wrong with my acccount i wrote you an essay but cant send it or post anything

[Breshna]

Heat rash is getting on my...nerves.

Feel like ripping the skin...off.

[IamDZJ]

^ please do.

[Kurmewal]

　
Haris - Wa'alaikum as-salaam. I am fine, hope you are too. Thanks for remembering this Paktiawal.

The dialect of Wardag is very similar to the language of the Mangal, Zazi and Zadran. However, the way most Wardags speak is almost indistinguishable from the Zazi dialect. This dialect is spoken in Khost, Paktia and Kurram, where my grandmother's roots are; hence the username.

I have lived in Parachinar for 3 years from 2003-2006 and during this time I was exposed to the Zazi, Mangal and Turi dialects which are all very similar to each other and to that of the Wardags, Afridis, Orokzais, Bangash and Zadrans - all Karlani tribes, excluding the Wazir, Bannuchi, Khattak and Khostwal which are significantly more divergent than other Karlani dialects due to a more obvious vowel change, unique lexis and certain grammatical differences. One thing that sets the Wardag dialect apart from the rest of those mentioned, however, is the tendency of many (educated, upper-class) Wardags to incorporate Dari words into their speech.

The Karlani dialects all have some common features = the "aa" of other dialects becomes "o" or even "u". I do not know the reason for this, perhaps the mountain Karlani tribes have preserved the original Persian pronunciation of this phoneme as is evident in early Pashto borrowings from Persian, eg. The "Standard Pashto" change from the Persian "aa" to "o" in words like "khob" for "khwaab" and "khor" for "khwaahar".

Often similar changes occur in the pronunciation of words beginnning with "w" or a vowel so that they start with a "y" as in "wayam" [I say] = "yayam". Also, the final "m" in first person verb conjugations such as in the example above is not pronunced in many Karlani dialects and is replaced by a nasal "an" sound as in French.

Also worth noting is that no Karlani dialect has "zama" and "sta" for "mine" and "yours"; instead "de mo / e mo" and "de to / e to" are used. This is a sign of the Karlani dialects being archaic as "e mo" and "e to" or " de mo" and "de to" make more sense than "zma" or "sta", which appear to be contractions.

Because the "de" meaning "of" is often contracted to "e" in the Karlani dialetcs, it mirrors the Persian "ezafe" system, eg. "Khana-e-tu"= your house, literally house of you. Similarly in Pashto we say "e to kor", also meaning "house of you". Though obviously, Pashto and Perisan grammar differs greatly.

Many Zazis pronunce "ts" as "s" and "dz" as "z", especially those of Kurram and Khost. As far as I know, Wardags say "ts" and "dz". Another variation that can occur in the Zazi dialect is the use of the hard "kh"(as in "khamakha") in place of the softer "kh" (as in "khaar"/city). Sorry, its hard to explain this becuase both sounds can only be transcribed using "kh".
Another potential difference is the fact that many Wardags say "mugh" instead of "mung", which is standard in Zazi of all three settlements; Maidan [Khost], Aryob [Paktia] and Kurma. Quite interstingly, this same merge of "gh" and "g/zh" also occurs in Northern Paktika/Southern Ghazni (mainly Sharan, Katawaz, Qarabagh, Andar and Muqur) which is Ghiljai territory.

As far as neighbouring Karlani dialects like Mangal and Zadran are concerned, in relation to Wardag and Zazi, they sound much more harsh although you will still understand them. Many words are specific to Karlani dialects or are used differently from other dialects, such as "tikala/atkala/tkala" for "dodaii" and "workai" for "halak". Also, "ghagedal/zhaghedal" is used in place of "khabare kawal" as this would sound strange to many rural Karlani (and Ghaljai) Pashtuns. This is also true for Paktikawals like me.

Interesting you should mention Bermal, Paktika as it borders Urgun. The area is mainly inhabited by Wazirs and Kharotis and I have never heard of any Wardags down there (Bermal is basically the closest you can get to Wana from Afghanistan without crossing any borders), but if Marwats can migrate from Katawaz to Lakki, then surely Wardags can come from Bermal.

Now, that wretched table has been tortured many a time. I was the one who edited it originally, but later other self-proclaimed "linguists" proceeded to f**** it all up with their own faulty data.

In that table, where it says "Zadran", the phonemes shown next to it are wrong. The Zadran dialect does not change "o" for "e" and "u" for "i" like the Waziri, Khostwal and Bannuchi do.I know this becuase the Zadran are our neighbours in Urgun.

Using the terms "Western" and "Eastern" Afghan dialects of Pashto is more suitable than using the misinformed, yet traditional "Southern"/"Northern"differentiation as Nangarhar is in the East and Kandahar is in the West. In Paktika, all dialects are mixed up and spoken at the same time.

Oh yeah and the Wardag info is also a bit wrong.
The phonemes [ç] and [ʝ] shown for many dialects should be [X] and [γ]/[g].

Many brothers on PF are from Paktia. They can probably help you more in such matters as they are from those areas and I am more knowledgeable about my Paktika. I hope I answered your questions and ask again if you have more.

E to Urgunwola/Kurmewola wrora,
Hakim Khan.

[Laila]

Too many threads to read :-( Anyways, how have you all been?!

[faye]

cheeky as ever, laila yourself? exams?
you look pretty in red.

[Laila]

yikes! for the last few months my life has been hectic. at times it would get the best of me and leave me feeling blue. i always knew red suited me how have you been with Aussie land?

[Kurmewal]

what is wrong with this site? it keeps logging me out everytime i try to post anything

[A.Alraeesi]

what is wrong with this site? it keeps logging me out everytime i try to post anything

maybe one of the administrators kicked you out

[faye]

all calm now for you, laila?

here: winter, wet, green, leeches, grey, cloudy, swampy, oranges, lemons and mandarines fruiting. jam making, bread making, curry and chapati making.
painting, sewing, gardening, PFing.

missing the sun and the sea. sunny today though :-)

[Friend]

^ please do.

hehehe...
har wakht porey enkhate ye, pregda che wayi

[A.Alraeesi]

ufff its 7 morning and theres no chahey