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    No offence Guys! I just wanted your point of view.


    Hari Singh Nalwa ― Champion of the Khalsaji, How Pashtuns came to wear the Pathani suite a feminine apparel of the Punjabi women folk


    In accordance with the teaching of their Guru, the Sikhs did not attack the defenceless or the weak. This included children, women, mendicants and the elderly. Sardar Hari Singh Nalwa advised the Pathans that one way they could escape the wrath of an infuriated Sikh was to dress as a woman. In the Punjab, the shalwar kameez is feminine apparel.

    The shalwar was a loose trouser with a stiff border at the ankle, while the kameez was a loose shirt falling to the knees. This dress came to popularly be known as the ‘Punjabi suit’ in India. In Pakistan and Afghanistan, men still wear its variant — the ‘Pathan suit’.

    Milkha Singh of Gurdwara Darshani Deohri Amritsar, first narrated this story to the author. Many others corroborated it since.

    (Source: Nalwa, V. 2009. Hari Singh Nalwa - The Champion of Khalsaji New Delhi: Manohar, p. 264)


    The twenty-first century, the Wali of Swat confirmed that the above was indeed a fact:

    The following is the gist of an open letter written by Miangul Aurangzeb, the present Wali of Swat, to the Taliban when the Taliban were preaching and enforcing strict dress and conduct codes for the women in the areas that fell under their control.

    "At the outset I want to record that you all must love me very much as you have decided not to take over my property in Swat unlike those you have taken over of other landed families. I am therefore emboldened to believe that I have the privilege of sharing some historical facts for you to know about and I urge you to absorb the same before you continue your campaign of moral policing, especially when it comes to the manner of dressing and code of conduct for women.

    The Sikh army of Maharaja Ranjit Singh, under the leadership of Hari Singh Nalwa came to the Frontier in the 1820's and swiftly conquered our ancestors. It is the only time in recorded history that our people were ruled over by foreigners. The locals were so utterly terrified of the Sikh army that they used to hide every time the Sikhs came into view. Those that decided to resist were met with ruthlessness. During this time, the word was spread around that the Sikhs did not harm elderly people, women and children and that the local men who did not wish to earn wrath of the Sikhs should wear the garb of Punjabi women, which was the Salwar-Kameez. At that time in our history both men and women alike, wore only a single-robe garment (similar to that worn by the Arabs) and the Sikhs would not harm any man either when wearing the Salwar-Kameez.

    So you see, our men happily adopted the garb of Punjabi women since they were too terrified to stand up and they have adopted the garb as being theirs' ever since. I am very intrigued to see that you are following in the footsteps of your ancestors by wearing the adopted Punjabi women's garb as your own, but now go around preaching and coercing our women as to how they should be living their lives! I suggest that take a deep look inside yourselves, given this historical perspective."

    Sincerely,

    Miangul Aurangzeb, Wali of Swat

    (Source: Nishaan, Swat: Sanctuary for the Sikhs, III/2009, New Delhi: Nagaara Trust, p. 45)
    (Source: Hari Singh Nalwa Foundation Trust)

  • #2
    you should be banned

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    • #3
      Original dress of punjabi women is "lehenga" and that of punjabi men is "tehband"...Shalwar kamees is gift of Afghans to muslims of subcontinent otherwise when you were hindus, you were half-naked.

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      • #4
        I have seen some punjabies wearing Dhotis

        Also yeah the first post is nonsense, some sikh nationalistic crap

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        • #5
          Luffy! Shalwar Kamees is a turkish word not Afghani ... Modern Shalwar kamees originated in Indus and Gangatic plains mainly due to the convergence of Hindu-Muslim culture like Urdu..It is an Indian variant of ancient Turkman dress.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by imran Jatt View Post
            Luffy! Shalwar Kamees is a turkish word not Afghani ... Modern Shalwar kamees originated in Indus and Gangatic plains mainly due to the convergence of Hindu-Muslim culture like Urdu..It is an Indian variant of ancient Turkman dress.
            I seriously doubt that, even in India its mostly muslims who wear shalwar Kameez. Hindus do not

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            • #7
              What looks more feminine???



              or



              case closed
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              *You cannot climb the ladder of success with your hands in your pockets*

              Originally posted by Karachi
              like I said, there was only one reason I pretended to be pathan, for a girl, who was from Afghan forums and also registered here

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Luffy View Post
                Original dress of punjabi women is "lehenga" and that of punjabi men is "tehband"...Shalwar kamees is gift of Afghans to muslims of subcontinent otherwise when you were hindus, you were half-naked.
                There are in fact a number of "original" dresses of Punjabi women. The oldest of these dresses is perhaps a blouse and long skirt down to the ankles.

                Many of those original dresses are in fact very similar to dresses of tribal women in Iran and Afghanistan. Thats not surprising as the original Indo-Iranian people (who left a large imprint in these three regions were) were actually all very closely related peoples.

                The Indo-Iranians spoke a single language until about 4000 or 4500 years ago. Then the language split into the Indic and Iranic branches. Thats why Avestan and Sanskrit are virtually the same language word for word.

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                • #9
                  Imran Jatt , are you Muslim ?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Karachi View Post
                    I have seen some punjabies wearing Dhotis

                    Also yeah the first post is nonsense, some sikh nationalistic crap
                    Karachi..dhoti can keep a person cooler in the heat..there is a version of the dhoti called a "tumbah" and worn with a long traditional Punjabi shirt. It (tumbah) looks great and majestic on a man with the right build and bearing. Its what old time Jats would wear - especially when ready to have a rumble (often at fairs) with adversaries...

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                    • #11
                      tell Bengal Tiger DZJ has put a price over your head.

                      I am no bird, and no nest ensnares me.

                      non commercial would cost less if he was in charge himself which he plans on doing. right now it's n herat but soon it will be in qanadahar.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Wazir_Warrior View Post
                        Imran Jatt , are you Muslim ?
                        Ya I am Muslim from Rawalpindi.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by imran Jatt View Post
                          Luffy! Shalwar Kamees is a turkish word not Afghani ... Modern Shalwar kamees originated in Indus and Gangatic plains mainly due to the convergence of Hindu-Muslim culture like Urdu..It is an Indian variant of ancient Turkman dress.

                          No offence there I kinda agree I also heard the Khawal Kameez is Turkic in origin.

                          Secondly, I assume the original Pashtun dress would have been something similar to what the SAKAS civilisation would wear.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Wahe Guru View Post
                            Karachi..dhoti can keep a person cooler in the heat..there is a version of the dhoti called a "tumbah" and worn with a long traditional Punjabi shirt. It (tumbah) looks great and majestic on a man with the right build and bearing. Its what old time Jats would wear - especially when ready to have a rumble (often at fairs) with adversaries...
                            Wahe Guru: you have great knowledge about Punjabi history... can u tell me about the origin of Cheema tribe, I heard that Cheema's were Hindus before converting to Islam and their ancestor "Cheema" was a son of "Prithvi Raj".

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by imran Jatt View Post
                              Luffy! Shalwar Kamees is a turkish word not Afghani ... Modern Shalwar kamees originated in Indus and Gangatic plains mainly due to the convergence of Hindu-Muslim culture like Urdu..It is an Indian variant of ancient Turkman dress.
                              The word is even not Turkish ! It can be translated as Shalwar=throusers Kamees=Shirt
                              Ա՜խ, ընկել եմ քար ու քարափ,
                              Իմ սրբություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ,

                              Ես ծովակ եմ առանց կարապ,
                              Իմ էություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ:

                              Ես անտառ եմ առանց եղնիկ
                              Իմ վեհություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ:

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