Freemasonry in PF?

[Afghanistan2010]

I dont believe in such things its just wasting times,if it fights me , i will fight it by the lord of the kaaba inshaAllah i will be successful and victorious.

[sunni]

so just because you watched arrivals, now you are authority on freemasonary? I have watched the documentary "Arrivals". There might be some truth in the fact that elite group of people are controlling the world but I don't think they are the freemasons. Freemasons seem to be the easy scapegoat.
I have read a book by 33rd degree freemason and I didn't undrestand all of it. But it does contain some wisdom and truths which are not contradictory to the teachings of Islam. Thats just my opinion, I don't know enough about them or their supposed weird rituals to make make my mind about them. But from what I have read they are certainly not as bad as people make them out to be. Most of allegations against them seem to be conspiracy theories. People also confuse freemasonary with Illuminati which is totally different. Freemasonary is not secretive. There are lodges everywhere and anyone can become a member. Its one of the oldest fraternity in the world.
And stop with the stupid insults. grow up. Thats no way to advice someone.

no i havent watched it all yet, i will watch it whenever i have time.

There might be some truth in the fact that elite group of people are controlling the world but I don't think they are the freemasons

that's true and the freemasons are only used by the elite group (jews). you know they don't accept anyone to become a jew like them, so what i know they only made this freemasons to reach thier goals.

ps: i think they are bad as we read and mybe more bad.

People also confuse freemasonary with Illuminati which is totally different.

tell me about it, how its different?


-i apologize for saying the bad words but i wouldnt apologize to who mock islams, he deserved it.

edit: i apologize i think i mistaked you for someone else. :S

[sunni]

I dont believe in such things its just wasting times,if it fights me , i will fight it by the lord of the kaaba inshaAllah i will be successful and victorious.

so you will fight blindly, without training and without knowing your enemy?


-allah will help muslims but also muslims should try to help thier selfs too.

[Alchemist]

I agree with badmash khel...to an extent.

I would say that 80% of Freemasons are just regular folks. If you are a keen observer of people you could easily spot them. They put their logos on their cars. They wear the rings on their fingers. I even know a few of them...majority of them are freemasons because their father and their father's father were freemasons. You should read about the peasent revolution that took place in England. The king of England at the time was Richard II, and he was 14 years old at the time...most historians don't dig deep enough but those that have studied the event carefully, know that it was a plot that passed over three generations! But this was revenge for what had happened to the Knights of the Temple of Solomon. And their History goes back to the First of Crusades...which was initiated by Pope Urban II. Twenty years after they had captured Jerusalem, nine knights volunteered to protect christain pilgrims near Al-Aqsa and where the temple of Solomon was. Their real intention was to carry out excavations to find relics and manuscripts from the egyptian times. What they found there changed their views. (You've probably seen them in that movie - kingdom of heaven). Later the order became recognized by the Church, and their power and influence grew. They were open usury, even through christains were prohibited...they didn't marry, they didn't clean or groom themselves and they were always paired in two, and shared food from the same bowl and didn't possess any thing of their own but for the brotherhood (their symbol was two knights on one horse..and later they were accused of homosexuality)...and because of their power and wealth they were the first to start the banking system..."chequeing accounts" and "bank loans" with up to 60% in interest even. Later, their patron had put his own pope in power, Innocent II, he in turn allowed the Templars to build their churches ...the first. They were the first "capitalist corporation" in effect. And so they stressed the "sacred geometry" in the designs of their churches...the sacred numbers (If you ever read "the Da vinci code" you'd know what I mean). Salladin didn't spare the Templars because they were the cruelest to the Muslims and the most savage. (interestingly enough the templars were even aligned with the Assassins (Ismailies)...who were also enemies of Saladin). Three centuries after their formation, and after becoming rivals to kings, they were "liquidated" by the pope when under torture most members confessed that they did not believe in christ as their lord, and that they practised pagan rituals. It was about this time, that Switzerland also started to develop as a nation...and if you look at the flag of Switzerland, it has a white cross on a red flag. It is the symbol as the templars inverted., (still what is switzerland most famous for? Banking!)... To escape persecution in France...they moved to switzerland...and Scotland (which is not under the domination of the Church). These fleeing templars then infiltrated the lodges, (lodges back then were for craftsman) and the lodges of masonry were the obvious choice.
So in the 14th century...when the peasent revolt took place, most of the attack was targeted at the Knights Hospitillars (now known as the Knights of Malta) Why? Because 70 years before, when Pope Clement tried to get rid of the Knights Templar...all their property was given to the Knights Hospitillars. This was revenge over 2 generations! This is what makes the masons unique. That they can pass their plans from father to son, and take their revenge generations after!
It is even believed that the French Revolution was the Mason's revenge for what the French Pope, and the French King had done to their Grand Master, 4 centuries prior! You can look into the history of the "enlightened ones" (illuminati)...and find their connections with the Grand Lodges...

Masons have had a large impact on Western Civilization. Most of the American Presidents were Freemasons. George Washington was a freemason (some even say that with the exception of Lincoln and Kennedy, they were all masons). The saying "been around the block"...is a masonic expression..."Chip of the old block"...now everyone uses them.

There are other offshot secret societies that serve different functions...like the Rosicrucian for example...Sir Francis Bacon...read his "New Atlantis"...its soldout khamir's fantasy land.

Even behind the Knights of the Templar's there is believed to be another force - the Priory of Zion...da vinci was a member. OR else known as "the elders of Zion" and you've probably heard of the "Protocols of Zion." Way back in the 11th century...it was formed by Godfroi de Bouillon, who had participated in the first crusade....and of jewish descent from the Merovingian line. So the "elders of zion"... was a collaboration of several influential dynasties like the Merogingians, the Medici, the house of Lorraine etc..In fact if you study the times of the Renaissance you will see how each of these houses promoted the the reproduction of greek and egyptian works and the introduction of "humanism". It can be traced back to an abbey just outside of Jerusalem that housed the "order of the Sion"...the monks that stayed there included "Peter the Hermit" who was one of the instigators of the first crusade....the "people's crusade)....The still exist in the shadows today...surfacing now and then.
For instance...for a while they published some magazines in the 40s... other's would say that it is all a hoax...but the data is there for all to see. Even to this day...organizations like Blackwater can be found to be associated with the Knights of Malta ... even if you watched Robert Dinor's Movie on the origin of the CIA...you'll see how the founders of the CIA were members of secret societies. In the 80's the Vatican bank scandal showed the connection between the vaticans, the mafia and masons...

Interestingly enough...the first "illuminati" ..by some "conspiracy theorists" is believed to have originated from Waziristan ...Pir Roshan, or the "enlightened one". You all should know of him...after all he invented Pashto script. And his "teachings" were somewhat similar to the enlightenment movements in europe around the same time...so many have been quick to say he had influence. Though he was known in europe for his revolutionary ideas...it's hard to believe he inspired ancient societies.




In any case...those 80% that are just in the lodges, following the rituals...could at any time be amassed at any time to do the bidding of the top Grand Master at any time. So they shouldn't be considered as docile and harmless.

[Afghanistan2010]

so you will fight blindly, without training and without knowing your enemy?


-allah will help muslims but also muslims should try to help thier selfs too.

know this hadith my brother :

Islam is not being dominated , but Islam dominates everything else.
sahih hadith.


Arrivals are shia made documentary which is completely contrary to the beliefs of ahlus sunnah when you watch part 39.

i advise you to drop this crap and take it not seriously.

if you want to watch such things watch THE REVIVALS...by the brothers from ahlus sunnah made.

The Revival : Part 1 - The Truth About The 12 Khaleefs - YouTube

[Alchemist]

know this hadith my brother :

Islam is not being dominated , but Islam dominates everything else.
sahih hadith.


Arrivals are shia made documentary which is completely contrary to the beliefs of ahlus sunnah when you watch part 39.

i advise you to drop this crap and take it not seriously.

if you want to watch such things watch THE REVIVALS...by the brothers from ahlus sunnah made.

The Revival : Part 1 - The Truth About The 12 Khaleefs - YouTube

WOW!



YAzid and Ma'awiya ..."radiallahu anhum"???

wtf!

[Afghanistan2010]

WOW!



YAzid and Ma'awiya ..."radiallahu anhum"???

wtf!

By Wikipedia because i have not much time to widen this :

Imaam Ibn Taymiyyah (d.728H) He was neither in favour of cursing Yazeed nor declaring him to be a disbeliever. He says, "And the people who curse Yazeed and other such people like him then it is upon them to bring evidence, Firstly: that he (Yazeed) was an open sinner and an oppressor and therefore prove he really was an open sinner and an oppressor. As allowing them to be cursed also needs to be proven that he continued this open sinning and oppression to the end up until his death. Secondly: Then after this they must prove that it is permissible to curse specific people like Yazeed." He goes onto say, "and the verse, "May the Curse of Allaah be upon the oppressors." Is a general verse like the verses concerning punishment." He goes onto say, "And the hadeeth of Bukhaari states the first army to wage Jihaad against Constantinople is forgiven and the first army to do Jihaad against Constantinople, their Ameer was Yazeed ibn Mu’waiyyah and the word army entails a specific number and every member of this army is included in this forgiveness."[12][13] Those who are against this view, claim that this Hadith did not refer to Yazid as he did not take part in the first battle of Constantinople[1], it was his father Mu'awiya[2] during the reign of Caliph Uthman [3] therefore this verse did not apply at all to Yazid. In fact, according to the reputed scholar Ibn Athir Yazid was unwillingly to take part in the first seven battles against Constantinople, and was eventually forced to attend the eighth by his father as punishment.[

[Alchemist]

time is not the factor...


knowledge is...

[Afghanistan2010]

one post was enough to answer you , and that was even from wikipedia.
you said why are they called as (rad) , so this means you are wrongly thought because this is the view of Shia Raafidah ( the rejectonists) they curse Yazid and Muawiaya but the Ahlus Sunnah don't does it.

[akbarkhan]

I agree with badmash khel...to an extent.

I would say that 80% of Freemasons are just regular folks. If you are a keen observer of people you could easily spot them. They put their logos on their cars. They wear the rings on their fingers. I even know a few of them...majority of them are freemasons because their father and their father's father were freemasons. You should read about the peasent revolution that took place in England. The king of England at the time was Richard II, and he was 14 years old at the time...most historians don't dig deep enough but those that have studied the event carefully, know that it was a plot that passed over three generations! But this was revenge for what had happened to the Knights of the Temple of Solomon. And their History goes back to the First of Crusades...which was initiated by Pope Urban II. Twenty years after they had captured Jerusalem, nine knights volunteered to protect christain pilgrims near Al-Aqsa and where the temple of Solomon was. Their real intention was to carry out excavations to find relics and manuscripts from the egyptian times. What they found there changed their views. (You've probably seen them in that movie - kingdom of heaven). Later the order became recognized by the Church, and their power and influence grew. They were open usury, even through christains were prohibited...they didn't marry, they didn't clean or groom themselves and they were always paired in two, and shared food from the same bowl and didn't possess any thing of their own but for the brotherhood (their symbol was two knights on one horse..and later they were accused of homosexuality)...and because of their power and wealth they were the first to start the banking system..."chequeing accounts" and "bank loans" with up to 60% in interest even. Later, their patron had put his own pope in power, Innocent II, he in turn allowed the Templars to build their churches ...the first. They were the first "capitalist corporation" in effect. And so they stressed the "sacred geometry" in the designs of their churches...the sacred numbers (If you ever read "the Da vinci code" you'd know what I mean). Salladin didn't spare the Templars because they were the cruelest to the Muslims and the most savage. (interestingly enough the templars were even aligned with the Assassins (Ismailies)...who were also enemies of Saladin). Three centuries after their formation, and after becoming rivals to kings, they were "liquidated" by the pope when under torture most members confessed that they did not believe in christ as their lord, and that they practised pagan rituals. It was about this time, that Switzerland also started to develop as a nation...and if you look at the flag of Switzerland, it has a white cross on a red flag. It is the symbol as the templars inverted., (still what is switzerland most famous for? Banking!)... To escape persecution in France...they moved to switzerland...and Scotland (which is not under the domination of the Church). These fleeing templars then infiltrated the lodges, (lodges back then were for craftsman) and the lodges of masonry were the obvious choice.
So in the 14th century...when the peasent revolt took place, most of the attack was targeted at the Knights Hospitillars (now known as the Knights of Malta) Why? Because 70 years before, when Pope Clement tried to get rid of the Knights Templar...all their property was given to the Knights Hospitillars. This was revenge over 2 generations! This is what makes the masons unique. That they can pass their plans from father to son, and take their revenge generations after!
It is even believed that the French Revolution was the Mason's revenge for what the French Pope, and the French King had done to their Grand Master, 4 centuries prior! You can look into the history of the "enlightened ones" (illuminati)...and find their connections with the Grand Lodges...

Masons have had a large impact on Western Civilization. Most of the American Presidents were Freemasons. George Washington was a freemason (some even say that with the exception of Lincoln and Kennedy, they were all masons). The saying "been around the block"...is a masonic expression..."Chip of the old block"...now everyone uses them.

There are other offshot secret societies that serve different functions...like the Rosicrucian for example...Sir Francis Bacon...read his "New Atlantis"...its soldout khamir's fantasy land.

Even behind the Knights of the Templar's there is believed to be another force - the Priory of Zion...da vinci was a member. OR else known as "the elders of Zion" and you've probably heard of the "Protocols of Zion." Way back in the 11th century...it was formed by Godfroi de Bouillon, who had participated in the first crusade....and of jewish descent from the Merovingian line. So the "elders of zion"... was a collaboration of several influential dynasties like the Merogingians, the Medici, the house of Lorraine etc..In fact if you study the times of the Renaissance you will see how each of these houses promoted the the reproduction of greek and egyptian works and the introduction of "humanism". It can be traced back to an abbey just outside of Jerusalem that housed the "order of the Sion"...the monks that stayed there included "Peter the Hermit" who was one of the instigators of the first crusade....the "people's crusade)....The still exist in the shadows today...surfacing now and then.
For instance...for a while they published some magazines in the 40s... other's would say that it is all a hoax...but the data is there for all to see. Even to this day...organizations like Blackwater can be found to be associated with the Knights of Malta ... even if you watched Robert Dinor's Movie on the origin of the CIA...you'll see how the founders of the CIA were members of secret societies. In the 80's the Vatican bank scandal showed the connection between the vaticans, the mafia and masons...

Interestingly enough...the first "illuminati" ..by some "conspiracy theorists" is believed to have originated from Waziristan ...Pir Roshan, or the "enlightened one". You all should know of him...after all he invented Pashto script. And his "teachings" were somewhat similar to the enlightenment movements in europe around the same time...so many have been quick to say he had influence. Though he was known in europe for his revolutionary ideas...it's hard to believe he inspired ancient societies.




In any case...those 80% that are just in the lodges, following the rituals...could at any time be amassed at any time to do the bidding of the top Grand Master at any time. So they shouldn't be considered as docile and harmless.

Good post, somewhat accurate. You might also be interested in Nicholas Roerich.

[Catya Sher]

That IS a very interesting post by Alchemist.
He is right to challenge the apparent praising of Yazid and Muawiya, too.
They are not models for anyone virtuous to imitate.

Still I want to watch these documentaries when I have time.

I think though it's difficult to tell which bad group controls which bad group,
it does seem that the Jews are pulling strings and using these
New World Order-ites, along with the Masonic concept of having no religious beliefs but just a 'fraternity' of people who have some vague idea of
a 'higher power' and particularly who have no concept of the fight
between GOOD versus Evil.
These amorphous ideas produce vague people who can be manipulated in any way no doubt.
So no wonder they work so hard to combat Islam -- and if there were many
Zoroastrians left, they would be targeted much more too, since they get credit
for being the very first in recent history to promulgate this all-important understanding of a sinister force combating Goodness and Light.

Once this idea is lost, then humans are malleable and as mentioned by Alchemist here, can be mobilized at a moment's notice for any bad cause.

I saw one old woman driving with that Masonic symbol on the outside of her car. It was the first time I happened to see that.
I did not know it is common, although maybe in earlier decades.

Ugh ! She came way too close to my car, too, symbolic of the dark side
always attacking those who oppose it.

Akbarkhan, what were you thinking about Nicholas Roerich ?
That he was supposed to have originated the US dollar Pyramid,
All-seeing Masonic Eye, etc ? And influenced President Harry Truman
through his "guru-ship" of one of his prominent advisers?

I've been studying about him for awhile, trying to get to the exact truth
about this elusive man.
I visited the Nicholas Roerich Museum in New York [it's interesting]
and also in Moscow, ironically.
His art is nice, but what was TRULY behind it is my question.

[sunni]

know this hadith my brother :

Islam is not being dominated , but Islam dominates everything else.
sahih hadith.


Arrivals are shia made documentary which is completely contrary to the beliefs of ahlus sunnah when you watch part 39.

i advise you to drop this crap and take it not seriously.

if you want to watch such things watch THE REVIVALS...by the brothers from ahlus sunnah made.

The Revival : Part 1 - The Truth About The 12 Khaleefs - YouTube

yes i knw they are not sying everything right even i didnt watched it yet but still i will watch it whenever i got the time.

i dont know if its been made by shia.

[sunni]

WOW!



YAzid and Ma'awiya ..."radiallahu anhum"???

wtf!

what is so shocking?

yes yazid and ma'awiya radiallahu anhuma and ali radiallahu anhu.

is it your shia side?

if you don't mind, send me whatever made you believe in shia and be confused like that about thier believes and books.

i would like to read and learn. :p

That IS a very interesting post by Alchemist.
He is right to challenge the apparent praising of Yazid and Muawiya, too.
They are not models for anyone virtuous to imitate.
.

and who the hell are you two to say such things about prophet sahaba?

are you shia or you have been teached by shia in iran or turky?


you two should open another thread so we can talk about this, right?

[Amir al Ghaznavi]

I dont care for the moral or religious debate surrounding Amir Muawiya

Im only concerned with the political. And politically, Amir Muawiya was a Lion of Islam

I always liked the name too. But the whole Mawali thing turns me off, that and my wifeys family wouldnt take too well to that name lol

[Afghanistan2010]

what is so shocking?

yes yazid and ma'awiya radiallahu anhuma and ali radiallahu anhu.

is it your shia side?

if you don't mind, send me whatever made you believe in shia and be confused like that about thier believes and books.

i would like to read and learn. :p


and who the hell are you two to say such things about prophet sahaba?

are you shia or you have been teached by shia in iran or turky?


you two should open another thread so we can talk about this, right?

brother be aware of the shia lies in arrivals... and their cursing and hatred toward the sahaba ikram...

those who curse and insult muawiyah and yazid have no knowledge and they are not the one to decide,verily their cursing and insulting comes from the shia rafidah and those who have no knowledge of the sunnah.