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[Naveed Safi]

Secondly, it's a matter of common sense that two people living alongside each other, having the same interests and a bond going back into history to be united against common foes who want to subjugate them. The last time Pashtuns were united, they took over half of Iran, all of Pakistan and parts of northern India. And when Pashtuns got disunited, they were occupied by Iran, the Sikhs, the Russians and the British and were humiliated and scattered.

then why do they got disunited? there must be no need of struggle for nation building.

When nations are united, their exploiters are gone and all their energy can go into nation-building. You can't make up a fake/false "nation" and then initiate nation-building

you must have to struggle for nation building.

[Naveed Safi]

All believers should strive for one body, one nation. Using Pakistan as in example is very poor. It wasn't created for a Khalifah, but for selfish needs.

Islam was created for all people to get united, anybody who supports Nationalistic goals should look hard at themselves.

I don't support a Pashtunistan, a Loy Afghanistan, or whatever. Just one Islamic nation from Morrocco to Indonesia.

A United States of Islam.

Untill then, all Muslims will stay in the pathetic state they are in.

all the muslims should have to strive for the one nation. and on my behalf there are only two nations the belivers an non belivers. now eyeryone has its own choice to select in these two's.

Aik ho muslim haram ki passbani k liye
neel k sahil se lekar tabkhake kashghar

[graveyardofempires]

well pakis are also talking about muslim brotherhood while they do their best to separate Pashtun families on the orders of british.

I would go for loya Afghanistan and than after that the muslim Ummah.
Muslim Ummah impossible without Pashtun unity.

[MostafaM]

All believers should strive for one body, one nation. Using Pakistan as in example is very poor. It wasn't created for a Khalifah, but for selfish needs.

Islam was created for all people to get united, anybody who supports Nationalistic goals should look hard at themselves.

I don't support a Pashtunistan, a Loy Afghanistan, or whatever. Just one Islamic nation from Morrocco to Indonesia.

A United States of Islam.

Untill then, all Muslims will stay in the pathetic state they are in.

I am sorry but your point of view doesn´t make sense.

Unification can only occur if those who want to unite meet each other at eye-level.

Otherwise some nations within the so-called "Ummah" would lead and others would follow.

We could see the same within the USSR and the current financial problems within the EU highlights that proble, too, where Germany and France are leading and have to support the weaker states out.

If a so-called "Ummah" comes into existence, it must be governable.
The segments of that Ummah would still consists of the natural boundaries of the nations and nation-states that the Ummah replaced.

Internationalist ideas have been proved wrong in the last 5000 years.

[KingKhan]

^^^

Sorry it's you who doesn't make sense. You cannot call yourself a Muslim, if you do no want to be united with other Muslims. Do people with Muslims sounding names, and countries not want this? I'm sure they dont. But, Islam and Muslims had already gone through this (Riddah Wars).


Muslims being separated by the Europeans have showed disastrous to Muslims for the last hundreds of years, If you and others advocate the same nationalistic beliefs, then the gutter Muslims will stay.

[MostafaM]

^^^

Sorry it's you who doesn't make sense. You cannot call yourself a Muslim, if you do no want to be united with other Muslims. Do people with Muslims sounding names, and countries not want this? I'm sure they dont. But, Islam and Muslims had already gone through this (Riddah Wars).


Muslims being separated by the Europeans have showed disastrous to Muslims for the last hundreds of years, If you and others advocate the same nationalistic beliefs, then the gutter Muslims will stay.

I never knew that the "5 pillars of Islam" included the idea of the "Ummah" aka "unfication of all muslims politically under one banner", too.

[RanadahRanadah]

Yes, unity of all is important but respect and equal rights and equal services and equal economic gains and development is the most important if that is possible than the unity of all muslims is possible but unity in Pakistan is not practical as Pakistan is doing injustices to Pashtoons and Bloachs! The elecricity of Pashtoon land is lighting diverted to Panjob is that is a unity or under mining of the Pashtoon people?

All races muslims can united but respects of individual races is every muslim race right.

[KingKhan]

I never knew that the "5 pillars of Islam" included the idea of the "Ummah" aka "unfication of all muslims politically under one banner", too.

It doesn't need to be in the 5 pillars, that is something for Muslims individually.

Islam wasn't created for it to be separated.

Search the Riddah wars.


You want Muslims to be separated is in the interest of non-believers so they can exploit Muslims even more.

You now nothing. Stay ignorant, separated and Nationliatic. It will just make every independent "Muslim" country into a Puppet.

I would like to welcome Libya, to the Puppet states. Congratulations.

[Naveed Safi]

the success of the nations whom accepted islam lies in the muslim unity 'the Ummah' going to select the nationalistic you would lose power and become a soft target to the non belivers.

[MostafaM]

It doesn't need to be in the 5 pillars, that is something for Muslims individually.

Islam wasn't created for it to be separated.

Search the Riddah wars.


You want Muslims to be separated is in the interest of non-believers so they can exploit Muslims even more.

You now nothing. Stay ignorant, separated and Nationliatic. It will just make every independent "Muslim" country into a Puppet.

I would like to welcome Libya, to the Puppet states. Congratulations.

During a discussion you have to start to make sense at one point.

You said, that I or people in general can´t be called Muslim if they do not want to unite with other Muslims politically.

I asked you if that point is a requirement to be called Muslims or be Muslim and you didn´t elaborate.

And I asked you what kinda unification can be achieved if the nations who are Muslim aren´t on one level and don´t share any kind of common interests.

Further I asked you what the difference is if the established Ummah would have to maintaine the national and linguistic blocks within it´s own system just to be able to govern them successfully and the nation states now?

You have to tackle the points in a discussion that are directed to you and not repeat yourself and your idealogical point of view without elaborating on the questions people ask you.

That´s what discussion culture is all about!

[Naveed Safi]

the formula of DIVIDE and RULE is mostly implemented on the muslims and they were on the ethnic basis.

[KingKhan]

During a discussion you have to start to make sense at one point.

You said, that I or people in general can´t be called Muslim if they do not want to unite with other Muslims politically.

I asked you if that point is a requirement to be called Muslims or be Muslim and you didn´t elaborate.

And I asked you what kinda unification can be achieved if the nations who are Muslim aren´t on one level and don´t share any kind of common interests.

Further I asked you what the difference is if the established Ummah would have to maintaine the national and linguistic blocks within it´s own system just to be able to govern them successfully and the nation states now?

You have to tackle the points in a discussion that are directed to you and not repeat yourself and your idealogical point of view without elaborating on the questions people ask you.

That´s what discussion culture is all about!

Perhaps English isn't your language.

Yes, you cannot be a believer of Islam. If you support the Divide and Conquer of Muslims.

Your and others who don't support the Islamic Khalifah, are followers of Hislam. People who only worry about themselves, or their tribes.

[MostafaM]

the formula of DIVIDE and RULE is mostly implemented on the muslims and they were on the ethnic basis.

Why wasn´t that concept successful on strong sociaties with a distinct identity?

Did anyone aplly divide and rule on England or France?
Or Germany and Spain?

It´s time to move beyond mere slogans and pseudo-intellectual and popular scientific phrases and get closer to the core of the problem.

[RanadahRanadah]

who is killed the most today of course pashtons so it is your duty as muslim to stop the killers whoever they are and put a stop pf their killing by all ! unity is the most important for all musims

[MostafaM]

Perhaps English isn't your language.

Yes, you cannot be a believer of Islam. If you support the Divide and Conquer of Muslims.

Your and others who don't support the Islamic Khalifah, are followers of Hislam. People who only worry about themselves, or their tribes.

That´s true.
English is the fourth language I learned.

And you shouldn´t jump to conclusions so easily and put things into my mouth I didn´t say.

Being in favour of a nation state and rejecting internationalist ideologies who themselves have empirial ambitions IS NOT supporting the conquest of Muslim nations.

Maybe you should check your own language and understanding regarding the principle of causality.