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Karzai should pack up with the US
this dog needs to go
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....can you please leave with him together?The only constant is change. -
no, I think you shouldComment
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lol funny threadComment
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Im not there, and do not plan on going there to support an occupation on the Afghan people. I want Afghans to sort their own problems out. I want the poisonous expats and warlords who have supported the occupation to get the f out.Originally posted by Mostafa1919 View Post
nice try again. It is your secular heroes (who you appear to be ashamed to publicly support) who are the biggest poison to Afghanistan.
Their record speaks for itself. Najib welcomed and supported the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Karzai welcomes and supports the US occupation of Afghanistan.
On the other hand, this farce of a Pakistani occupation through a proxy is well a farce. You see, the Afghans do not give a rats ass what Pakistan, China, Iran, Russia want. Yes, all the aforementioned want US out, but how does that deny the Afghans natural opposition to the US occupation? How? Please enlighten us, educated one.
Again, how do these countries interests somehow disqualify the Afghan interest in ending the US occupation? So what? So what if Pakistan and Iran wants to see the US out? All that matters is what the common Afghan wants, and he wants to see the US out.
How does it make Karzai, a disgraced dog, become a shining Knight, a modern Mirwais neeka, or a new Ahmad Shah Baba? It doesn't.
He remains a Shah Shuja, trying to force and sell an occupation on his people, when he can't even walk around Kabul without his US guards.Last edited by Guest; 07-31-2011, 02:46 PM.Comment
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Originally posted by AshrafGhaljay View Post
In other words, you keep pulling things out of your ass and rebrand them as facts.
The sentence in those brackets makes your whole comment obsolete.The only constant is change.Comment
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I don't even know wth you are talking about. Insults and rants just show you have no argument to make.Originally posted by Mostafa1919 View PostComment
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Prove to me that the Taliban fight and die for Pakistan. Prove to me that the Taliban is made up of Pakistanis who just look Pashtun, and happened to rule Afghanistan for 4 years.
Show me evidence that they have no support in Afghanistan. Please contradict these reports indicating that they do. Till then, your words are meaningless conjecture meant to make opinion appear as fact. Here are facts.
US report shows Taliban support in Afghanistan, blames Karzai | America-Canada | World Bulletin
Taliban support rising in Afghanistan: study - CTV News
Taliban Getting Stronger, As US Public Support for Afghanistan War Collapses | Informed Comment
Again, till you provide me evidence which negates that the Taliban have considerable support in Afghanistan, your attempt to portray them as a group fighting for, and dying for Pakistan becomes more and more of a joke. your words remain meaningless.Comment
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Originally posted by AshrafGhaljay View Post
Now you want me to translate the Bull**** that YOU say to ME back to YOU?
Ok, I will try:
1. You went on a ranting about my secular heroes that I support.
2. Then you said that I am ashamed of supporting them openly.
Translation for you:
You implied that I defend people and ideologies but I haven´t done that openly so far. In other words, you pulled that out of your ass. You contradicted yourself in the same posting by using a stupid and 100% baseless ad-hominem attack.
Do know what I am talking about now?The only constant is change.Comment
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you wanted a civil debate. I responded to your posts, you have now avoided it a few times.
Here respond to this
Prove to me that the Taliban fight and die for Pakistan. Prove to me that the Taliban is made up of Pakistanis who just look Pashtun, and happened to rule Afghanistan for 4 years.
Show me evidence that they have no support in Afghanistan. Please contradict these reports indicating that they do. Till then, your words are meaningless conjecture meant to make opinion appear as fact. Here are facts.
US report shows Taliban support in Afghanistan, blames Karzai | America-Canada | World Bulletin
Taliban support rising in Afghanistan: study - CTV News
Taliban Getting Stronger, As US Public Support for Afghanistan War Collapses | Informed Comment
Again, till you provide me evidence which negates that the Taliban have considerable support in Afghanistan, your attempt to portray them as a group fighting for, and dying for Pakistan becomes more and more of a joke. your words remain meaningless.Comment
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Please address this like I asked you before.
Prove to me that the Taliban fight and die for Pakistan. Prove to me that the Taliban is made up of Pakistanis who just look Pashtun, and happened to rule Afghanistan for 4 years.
Show me evidence that they have no support in Afghanistan. Please contradict these reports indicating that they do. Till then, your words are meaningless conjecture meant to make opinion appear as fact. Here are facts.
US report shows Taliban support in Afghanistan, blames Karzai | America-Canada | World Bulletin
Taliban support rising in Afghanistan: study - CTV News
Taliban Getting Stronger, As US Public Support for Afghanistan War Collapses | Informed Comment
Again, till you provide me evidence which negates that the Taliban have considerable support in Afghanistan, your attempt to portray them as a group fighting for, and dying for Pakistan becomes more and more of a joke. your words remain meaningless.Comment
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and yes, oh educated one, we did discuss this, but when I asked for evidence , you ran like Masoodov.Comment
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Why should I prove anything to you if the Taliban themselves admit it?Originally posted by AshrafGhaljay View Post
Why should I prove anything if Mullah Beradar gets imprisoned by the ISI everytime he reaches out to settle the ongoing war peacefully?The only constant is change.Comment
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this proves nothing. So what? Iran intelligence also most likely supports them to a degree. Pakistan obviously has their own interests, like the Iranins, but how does this disqualify a resistance? It does not. The resistance has its own immediate objectives, and thats all that matters to them.Originally posted by Mostafa1919 View PostWhy should I prove anything to you if the Taliban themselves admit it?
Why should I prove anything if Mullah Beradar gets imprisoned by the ISI everytime he reaches out to settle the ongoing war peacefully?
They could care less if aliens from Mars came down and supported them.
What does support mean? China supported Viet Minh for their own interests as did Russia, but does that take away from Viet Minh's overall objectives?
NO. So same here. There is no guerilla movement that can act without support from the people or from outside.
Most importantly, a guerrilla movement can only survive as long as the population gives it support.Last edited by Guest; 07-31-2011, 03:18 PM.Comment
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Originally posted by AshrafGhaljay View Post
You don´t need to ruminate my arguements from other threads.
The short-term goals of the Taliban and ISI are overlapping, to get the US out of Afghanistan.
The long-term goals to install a Pakistan friendly, weak and manipulative government in Afghanistan to apply strategic interests of Pakistan on the expense of the national interests of the Afghan people is not acceptable.
It is acceptable to watan forosh people like you because you lack the brain to understand WHY people are helping and that they want something in return and don´t act out of MOTHER-THERESA-ism.The only constant is change.Comment
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