If a former USsoldier moved to Afghanistan to become Pashtun would be accept him/her?

[MDresden]

If a former US soldier moved to Afghanistan to become Pashtun would you accept him/her?

[Pashtun_Ultranationalist]

You have to be born Pashtun to be Pashtun, but legally you can become a Afghan National.

I am a Pashtun but I can not be a Anglo-Saxon or a Celt but I can be a Pashtun Briton.

If your intentions are good and supportive of the unity of the Pashtun people, and Oppose Pakistans evil intentions against the unification of the Pashtun people, then I would welcome you anyday in my town.

A Pashtun is a great host and a humble person, we are known and are famous for our kindness to others.

[Haris]

Anyone can live with the Pukhtuns as long as they fully embrace the Pashtun culture and hold strong convictions that are compatible with our way of life.


However the likelyhood is that a solfier would have killed or contributed to the killing a fellow Pukhtun/s who may have been innocent. If I knew that were the case I would be totally against it whether he has repented or not. I do not care if he thought he was doing what he thought was "right". I would not let someone like that near me or my fellow brothers & sisters.

[Pashtun_Ultranationalist]

Roara just as we are welcomed in Britain as fellow Brits, we should never exclude our gratefulness to those who mean no harm to us, as Pashtuns we need to gather as many friends as we can because our name is already tarnished due to the acts of others i.e Alqaeda.

[IamDZJ]

yes but I will have you hanged from a leg and stoned to death if you turn out to be a spy. I am not exaggerating.

[emkhan]

You are an hypocrite and there is no place for hypocrites on the land of Afghanistan. So never think of entering this land. You were here to learn about Islam but now we know your motives.

[Pashtun_Ultranationalist]

You are an hypocrite and there is no place for hypocrites on the land of Afghanistan. So never think of entering this land. You were here to learn about Islam but now we know your motives.

Ha Ha Ha EmKhan, your a Pro Pakistani, what gives you the right to tell others they have no place in Afghanistan. You and your Hamid Guls, the real Hypocrites are not allowed on Afghan Land.


This gets funnier by the day, a Pakistani telling a America to stay away from Afghanistan, dude, why dont you pack your bags and take your Bin Laden supporting backside back to Punjab Pakistan.

Dresden, as I said, the only opposition you would face are from little Pakistanis suffering from Jealously when they see people praise Afghanistan.

Pakistanis such as EMKHAN are the real hypocrites, they want Afghanistan to be isolated and backward.

[ghundal]

this whole post is to simply provoke people

[طالب]

1. What has the US soldier done?

2. Define "accept".

[emkhan]

Ha Ha Ha EmKhan, your a Pro Pakistani, what gives you the right to tell others they have no place in Afghanistan. You and your Hamid Guls, the real Hypocrites are not allowed on Afghan Land.


This gets funnier by the day, a Pakistani telling a America to stay away from Afghanistan, dude, why dont you pack your bags and take your Bin Laden supporting backside back to Punjab Pakistan.

Dresden, as I said, the only opposition you would face are from little Pakistanis suffering from Jealously when they see people praise Afghanistan.

Pakistanis such as EMKHAN are the real hypocrites, they want Afghanistan to be isolated and backward.

what do you mean by pro Pakistani ? I AM a Pakistani. whats wrong with you ? I know you secular minded people want America to stay in Afghanistan for ever and the massacre of pashtuns continues. But America has to leave soon and you secular minded will also have to leave Afghanistan.
I don't want Afghanistan to be isolated. I want there a strong Pashtun's islamic govt without any american, indian or ISI support.
These three are acting like poison against Islam and Pashtuns.
you should review your baseless thoughts and should know about the ground realities. you should also know what Pukhtunwali IS. There is no place for secularism and secularists in Pukhtunwali.

[ScimitarXEdge]

If a former US soldier moved to Afghanistan to become Pashtun would you accept him/her?

The Answer is No; to be Pashtun your paternal side has to be Pashtun because Pashtuns are a patrilineal society; although the origins of certain Pashtun clans can be debated. This is a standard rule. However a person who claims Pashtun descent can shunned from being Pashtun based on his values/beliefs or lifestyle, such as Maseed.

you'd have to be totally against Farangayan On a Political, Moral and Ideological level ; Farangay is a collective term for people of Northern European/Western European descent. Because these people have tried to colonize, corrupt and alter Pashtuns and their values. Pakistan for example was made by the British. The reason why Pakistani Ultra Nationalist believes that he is accepted as British is because Pakistan is seen as a subject of the British Empire.Therefore his pride in being British reflects the colonized mentality working against Pashtuns.

People who support the British are not actually Pashtun but traitors and slaves; thereby they have no credibility

[ScimitarXEdge]

what do you mean by pro Pakistani ? I AM a Pakistani. whats wrong with you ? I know you secular minded people want America to stay in Afghanistan for ever and the massacre of pashtuns continues. But America has to leave soon and you secular minded will also have to leave Afghanistan.
I don't want Afghanistan to be isolated. I want there a strong Pashtun's islamic govt without any american, indian or ISI support.
These three are acting like poison against Islam and Pashtuns.
you should review your baseless thoughts and should know about the ground realities. you should also know what Pukhtunwali IS. There is no place for secularism and secularists in Pukhtunwali.

Don't worry Pakistani Ultra Nationalist is also a Pakistani; he was born there and thus has Pakistani citizenship

he's just trying engage in animosity so he can to appease Colonialists that they are can watch Muslims constantly fight and turn against each other.

[Catya Sher]

I discerned from the very beginning when MDresden started talking on here
[he was watching the site prior to that no doubt before jumping aboard]
he HAS a plan to marry a Pashtana -

Quick, send out warnings to the countryside with his description to all
Pashtanas in Afghanistan and KP to beware a trickster
saying he just wants to learn the culture....

IF he should be sincere then let him show that by
seeing events from the Afghan side.
So far he is The NATO PROPAGANDIST par excellence on here !

He could secretly convert Islam and not tell anyone, that would help
his case with any Pashtana if he decides he really cares about
Truth
rather than promoting Massive Disinformation
which is what he seems to be doing thus far.\\

Humans CAN change however...but he has to work against
the heavy tide of huge prejudice instilled by the Army
and American mentality
and the famed "Judeo-Christian outlook" which disdains Muslims
as nearly less than human.

If he's smart, he could become humble and learn lessons that
will change his entire life -
and make decisions never to be regretted because they are RIGHT>

[BarakzaiAbdali]

If a former US soldier moved to Afghanistan to become Pashtun would you accept him/her?

Dear Matt,

Here is an interesting story you might like that indirectly answers your question. I saw this a few years ago. In short, depending on how you move, Yes. Enjoy:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4177312.stm
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Red Army's 'ghosts' of Afghanistan


By Tom Coghlan


To the men of the Red Army who fought in Afghanistan, their elusive mujahideen enemy were always called simply the "Dukhi" - the ghosts.


But when their last tank rolled back across the Oxus river in February 1989, the then Soviets left behind some Cold War ghosts of their own.
In the hills of northern Afghanistan, there are still men with pale skin who talk Russian when they are together.

Until 1981, Nasratullah was a soldier in the Red Army called Nikolai.
Together with two others, now known as Rahmatullah and Aminullah, he survives from a total of five Soviet soldiers known to have been captured and converted to Islam.
They went on to fight against their old comrades with the mujahideen.


'Terrible fight'
The ill-fated Soviet adventure in Afghanistan is often compared to America's disastrous foray into Vietnam.


Russia says 13,000 Soviet soldiers were lost between 1979 and 1989.
An estimated 1.3m Afghans, mainly civilians, also died.

Today, 45-year-old Nasratullah is a softly spoken, melancholic, chain smoker who earns $80 a month as a policeman.

But until his conversion to Islam, he was a junior officer from an elite Soviet parachute regiment.
He agreed to be interviewed only with the encouragement of his former mujahideen comrades. He remains close to the men who first captured him.


"We captured Nasratullah during an ambush in Kaligai village in 1981," recalls his white bearded former commander, Sufi Payda Mohammed, eyes rimmed with kohl.

His mujahideen band operated in the steep-sided valleys of Baghlan province, along the key re-supply route from the Uzbek border to Kabul.
The mujahideen commander remembers "a very terrible fight" during which they killed around 20 Soviet soldiers.

Nikolai was the sole survivor, captured after he exhausted his ammunition and hid in a drainage ditch under the road.

The area around what was known as Soviet Base 80 is still littered with the rusting tanks and destroyed supply vehicles.

Local people say Russian embassy officials returned to the area last year offering cash rewards for the location of the graves of missing Soviet soldiers. They left with six exhumed bodies.
Deserter


Nasratullah himself tells a different, more ideologically-driven version of how he came to fall into mujahideen hands.
He says he witnessed a massacre of more than 70 civilians at Kaligai.


"We swore in the Russian army on the sword and the Bible to help society. It was against the law what was done," he says.
In horror and disgust, he says he simply turned and walked away from his unit.

Prisoners were often killed by both sides, but Nikolai was found by villagers who cared for him and then passed him to the mujahideen.

It was a year, he says, before he decided to convert. During that time he helped to mend mechanical equipment.

"I didn't choose to convert," he says today. "The religion chose me." His former captors deny that any of the men were forced to become Muslims, or did so through fear.


Amnesty
They were renamed by the clerics who converted them. Nasratullah then spent eight years in the frontline with the mujahideen.


According to his comrades, the Soviet converts were decent fighters and particularly useful for listening to Soviet radio traffic.

"If you are in the frontline then you must fight and you must kill," is all he will say about fighting against his countrymen.


Nasratullah says he was born in 1960, in the Ukrainian city of Kharkiv. He will not give his last name.

His father was also a soldier in the Red Army and Nikolai attended a military academy, which he will not identify.

He volunteered for service in Afghanistan and served there for three months before his capture.

In July 1988, Moscow offered an amnesty to all Soviet prisoners of war in Afghanistan, whatever they had done during their captivity.

None of the Soviet converts took the offer, though all have visited their former homeland since the war.

"They said that they felt like white pigeons among black crows in Russia," says Sufi Muhammed.

"They told us 'we were devout and wanted to pray, but our families had no belief and didn't understand us'."

Disillusionment When he visited Ukraine in 1996, Nasratullah met some of his old Red Army comrades.


He says he was relieved when they did not blame him for his conversion, or for joining the mujahideen.

Like many of the veterans of Vietnam, the Soviet veterans have suffered wide disillusionment.

There were mass protests in June by some of the Ukraine's 150,000 Afghan war veterans, many of whom survive on a state pension of $40 a month.

"Russia and Afghanistan are not so different," says Nasratullah. "I have a good life here, though the economy is not very good."

Under the Taleban, Nasratullah and his fellow Soviets came to the attention of leader Mullah Mohammed Omar who, impressed with their devout lives, gave them homes and businesses.

All three have local wives and families. Three years ago, Nasratullah had a daughter he named Mosal.

But after the Taleban fell in 2001, the houses were reclaimed and none of the three is considered rich.

Locally, they are regarded as curiosities, and admired for being devout. Nasratullah says that while he has the support of his old mujahideen comrades and his Islamic faith he will never leave Afghanistan.

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BarakzaiAbdali


those stories bring a tear to my eye; but I'm sure Matt Dresden's goal is just to have a chance to get laid in Afghanistan so he can brag and high five all his buddies about his conquest. And flaunt about how he "liberated" women from self respect and decency by nailing a woman of the Taliban. Fetish gratifying conquest to serve the Imperial ego